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jabcat:
I don't know if any of this helps or not, but I'm trying.   :winkgrin:

This is from The Christian Bible, the most literal translation I know of;

7  so that the proof of your faith, which is much more precious than perishable
gold which is being proved by fire, might be found to result in praise,
glory, and honor at the revealing of Yesu (the Anointed One) [the beginning
of the LastAge].

13 For this reason, you+ must wrap your belt tight around the waist
of your mind [ready for work], be continually sober [in spirit], and put
your+ hope completely on the favor that is going to be brought to you+ at
the revealing of Yesu (the Anointed One) [the beginning of the Last Age]!

20 On the one hand, He was known beforehand before
the foundation of the world; yet, on the other hand, He was made
apparent in these last times because of you

reFORMer:

--- Quote from: jabcat on November 26, 2012, 03:24:54 AM ---Col. 3:4. (from the extremely literal Christian Bible - "When the Anointed One, who is our Life, appears [at the beginning of the Last Age], then you too will appear together with Him in glory."  (notice 'together with' Him)

--- End quote ---
When I was born of the Spirit and since then, the anoint-ing, the anoint-ed, this appears to me and brought about the appearing of a new me, something coming out of God Who always was, is and will be.  The appearing of Him that brings an appearing of the me in Him is an on-going occurrence.  This leads to an example of what I dislike about the Christian Bible.  They insert an interpretation about the Christ appearing. "[At the beginning of the Last Age]" is what they say.  In addition, there are other explanations beyond the one I gave which don't agree with their comment.

jabcat:
I don't like that part either.  I've said in the past I wish they would have just stuck to the translating.  If they'd done that, I believe the actual translation is very good.  I've thought about going through and marking out much of the interpretation - though I believe some of it is excellent [Lazarus and rich man, for example].  In this particular quoted instance, I agree with part of their interpretation, and part I don't.  I agree that it's a next age - I don't agree that it's the start of the "Last Age".  I could be wrong, but I believe there are ages to come.

 I know there are disagreements about it and various interpretations on the "last days/end times".   Didn't some of them start with the 1940's Latter Rain movement?  Also, I doubt most of us aren't going to be easily "talked out of" our personal views/understandings on it.  Imagine that.   :laugh:  I also think there are many areas of agreement though, in the midst of the disagreements.   I do agree we are growing more into His image, as He determines.  I too believe He has appeared many times, and continues to appear - and that He appears in us and through us and lives in us.  I don't use the term "second coming".  Yet, I personally believe in a literal appearing of Yeshua to usher in the next age.  After looking at various beliefs on it, I tend toward a view that's somewhat close to what I believe has been a "traditional" interpretation of Christendom through the centuries (until the last one).  For instance, going back a ways, I believe the apostles were looking for His literal return in their lifetimes, including Paul.  So I certainly don't know when it will be - or even exactly what it will look like.  It will be miraculous.   

The following isn't from the Christian Bible  :wink3::

 I Cor. 15 - "..we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed. For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality.."

Blessings.

jabcat:

--- Quote from: ded2daworld on November 26, 2012, 12:25:50 AM ---Reading 1 peter 1 today and was struck by the fact that peter never once mentioned the return of Jesus, He did however mention "when Christ be revealed to you" 3 times and "when Christ be manifested to you"
I wonder why the difference? Help me out please?

--- End quote ---

ded, maybe a lousy reference, but maybe at least some of it's true  :laughing7:  and may address at least a little, your OP. From wikipedia;

"Several different terms are used to refer to the..coming of Christ.

Epiphany
In the New Testament the Greek word ἐπιφάνεια (epiphaneia, appearing) is used five times to refer to the return of Christ.

Parousia
The Greek New Testament uses the Greek term parousia (παρουσία, meaning "arrival", "coming", or "presence") twenty-four times, seventeen of them concerning Christ.  [I personally find the following noteworthy, in that it described a literal, physical appearing.]  The word is also used six times referring to individuals: Stephanas, Fortunatus and Achaicus [1Co.16:17], Titus[2Co. 7:6-72] and of Paul himself [2Co. 10:10] [Phil 1:26] [2:12] and one time referring to the "coming of the lawless one".[2Thes 2:9]

In Thayer's Lexicon, the Greek word parousia is defined as Strong's G3952:
...In the N. T. [New Testament] esp. [especially] of the advent, i.e., the future, visible, return from heaven of Jesus, the Messiah, to raise the dead, hold the last judgment, and set up formally and gloriously the kingdom of God.[2]
And in the Bauer-Danker Lexicon:
...of Christ, and nearly always of his Messianic Advent in glory to judge the world at the end of this age.

Adolf Deissmann (1908)[5] showed that the Greek word "parousia" was used as early as the 3rd century BC to describe the visit of a king or dignitary to a city arranged in order the show his magnificence to the people. The Roman Advent Coins struck by the cities of Corinth and Patras for Nero's visit reveals the correspondence between the Greek "parousia" and the Latin "Adventus" and their relationship to the Greek word "epiphany" that means "appearing"."


Hope that helps.  You've raised an interesting question though as to the use of various words.

ded2daworld:
Thanks Jab. Your input has been invaluable.
I'm still mulling it over in my mind.
Perhaps It's like this: It's one thing to SEE a magic trick.
It's a totally different thing to have a magic trick Revealed to you.

Peter may be encouraging us to not only rejoice at the return of Jesus that "every eye will see"
but also the revealing of him when humanity finally sees the truth about the Truth.
Not only we but ET'ers and non-believers shall see him for what he truly is
because even we are still seeing him as if through a muddy windshield. (Jeff paraphrase of glass darkly)

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