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Offline sheila

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Re: Noah's ark
« Reply #75 on: April 13, 2014, 07:09:06 PM »
  God set's the boundairies  on evil as well as the sea/you may go this far and no further[the wicked is as the troubled sea.].

...and all mens thoughts were evil all the time..since the  evilhad already exceeded it's boundaries/spiritually/God also

   exceeded  the boundary in the natural..   the law of sin/corruption.

   two wittnesses.......and however they would try and kill the two wittness..in that manner they would be killed......

   the wittness of the word of God and the spirit of God should dwell in the earth[He did not create it for nothing].


     Today when evil thoughts in a man...kill him spiritually..the heavens can pour down rains of spiritual water..and

    fountains of living water may come forth from his belly..wash away the wickedness.....and a dove in an olive tree finds

  a place to dwell.

     8 souls kept through it..with the spirit of God..in the form of dove having place of new beginning[resurrection] in a

  cleansed earth.  does God still bring  clouds of rain on the earth..yes...and places His bow in it.....a promise /a colored ark

  of light from above/heavens open and the Holy spirit descending  in the bodily form of a dove./a Holy city of beautiful colours

 

 

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Re: Noah's ark
« Reply #76 on: April 13, 2014, 07:35:41 PM »
now..if God didn't destroy wickedness from off all the earth.flood/water...and if fire does not burn up/consume wickedness of the old

 heavens[powers/principalities in high places] and earth[surround camp of city He loves]  then sin and evil /wickedness is not

  removed/consumed with the breath of His coming..man of sin done away with at the breath of His coming.

  and He makes all things new................there is a reason every man reckons his body[with sin] as good as dead...and

  a reason he realizes his life is in the spirit.

   

   

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Re: Noah's ark
« Reply #77 on: April 14, 2014, 12:44:53 AM »
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Re: Noah's ark
« Reply #78 on: April 14, 2014, 11:17:10 PM »
I am very bad at engineering so I'll have to ask you guys for input on this:

Would an ark with the dimensions described in Genesis 6 be big enough to hold two of every animal that existed in those days?

My opinion is that, yes, if a cubit was at least 18 inches, then 300 cubits by 50 by 30, three stories high would have been huge and the Ark would have been large enough for the animals.

However, I do not personally believe that there was a global flood which destroyed all animals and people.

Without considering evolution, there are many reasons for me that the Flood is unlikely, but a few of them go along these lines: Some animals can only live in certain regions and eat certain food. It stretches my reason and experience too far to accept that someone, in those days, could travel to Mauritius to acquire animals peculiar only to that region, and then travel to collect a platypus from Australia. Did Noah take the platypus breeders back to Australia after the flood? And so on. A global flood would silt over all plant life and some animals need trees to feed from, some birds need trees to nest in etc. The ratio of salt water to fresh water on Earth is around 40 to 1 and this will only have changed marginally in the last few thousand years, therefore salt would have contaminated all fresh water and (without evolution) there would be no fresh water fish today (I know the apologetics claim that "science proves" fresh water fish can live in salt water but this is only slightly salted water for a few "kinds" and a ratio of 40:1 - incidentally, "science proves" that the waters were salty a few thousand years BC).

These animals certainly couldn't swim to where Noah lived. And if God was going to use His Power and pick all the animals up and place them right by the Ark for Noah to place in cages (carnivores eat other animals), then God might as well not have bothered about a global flood and just wiped everyone out to leave eight people and breeding animals. But God is not like that: God has set up His laws and His Creation abides by those laws.

It goes on. These are just a few anomalies and a full debate could/would last months - and personally, I do not think God put us here to spend months debating the reality of the Flood, and that He has other things in Mind for His children.

We can assume and assume in order to make it all possible, but I find that assuming and stretching belief is not faith in Christ for me nor does it increase my faith in Christ.

I believe that the mother of the polar bear is 100,000 years old and it has evolved from that time into an Arctic bear today. I have personally seen a cross section of land that shows the present time and also Roman remains from two thousand years ago a few inches deeper - and then Neanderthal remains many, many metres deeper. There's something about seeing things for oneself that makes one accept God's gift of reason and logic as being applicable to the world. I do not believe - and I say with the sincerest respect - that the early teachers had access to, say, meticulous studies of dinosaur remains and so on, and they would have a world view accordingly. But please note: it is the same Christ we love and adore.

It is this reason and logic - as well as what I sincerely believe to be the Holy Spirit - that causes me to believe and have faith that Creation was "precipitated" by the Father through His Christ over aeons of time. It is not a problem for me - in fact, it is so beautiful and super/natural. God's Plan is truly magnificent - it opens up (to me) a little of the truly, truly Beautiful Mind and overseeing loving Heart of a God whose gifts to all of His children are far beyond a human's cognisance - a God who never lets go of His children, no matter how far they have fallen.

I promise that I belittle not believers in the Flood and young Earth, for you I have the highest respect as your belief is firmly grounded and I do understand (eway mol) and thank you for permitting me to be different.

Dear Father, I thank Thee for much yet I do not thank Thee enough, for Thy overseeing care, for the Gift of Thyself in Thy Son who is not only my Saviour but the Saviour of all mankind.
"A few drops of blood renew the whole world, and become for all men that which rennet is for milk, uniting and drawing us into one". "Christ is like leaven for the entire mass, and having made that which was damned one with himself, frees the whole from damnation".

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Re: Noah's ark
« Reply #79 on: April 15, 2014, 01:06:32 AM »
I am very bad at engineering so I'll have to ask you guys for input on this:

Would an ark with the dimensions described in Genesis 6 be big enough to hold two of every animal that existed in those days?
I would say even today's largest ship is big enough for every type of animal on earth. Keep in mind some animals like elephants eats huge quantities every day.
And food for the Nephlim of course, because they had to be on board because every breathing creature drowned and the Nephlim survived.
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Re: Noah's ark
« Reply #80 on: April 15, 2014, 01:29:24 AM »
He could have brought baby elephants on board[more cmpact creature] God could have made all the animals snooze[hybernate

 state] through the whole trip. I think 'other' nephilem were born..post flood era.[cursed be Canaan/serpent seed]

 Nothing is impossible with God.........   is there 'wiggle room' for God to have accomplished this in different ways then we are awre?

  yes,I think so.......my  :2c:

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Re: Noah's ark
« Reply #81 on: April 15, 2014, 04:45:33 AM »
 :cloud9: Here's a crazy thought. What if He gave Noah the wisdom, power and understanding to create "seed" form of every living creature prototype and they came into HIS "ark", as a covering, just like the tree of life is the covering for all the carnal beastly natures. Pattern same as mercy seat covering the ark of the covenant, which housed the tablets of stone/stony hearts = love covers a multitude of sins. My  :2c: Blessings....
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Re: Noah's ark
« Reply #82 on: April 15, 2014, 05:24:28 AM »
un-huh..and what if the ARK ofthe testimony was opened in heaven......and we find wheat[ form seed] as in a barn?

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Re: Noah's ark
« Reply #83 on: April 15, 2014, 06:05:30 AM »
 :cloud9: I hear you.... :banana:
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Re: Noah's ark
« Reply #84 on: April 17, 2014, 05:20:15 AM »
And the temple of God which is in heaven was opened, and the ark of His covenant appeared in His temple and there were flashes of lightning and peals of thunder and an earthquake and a great hailstorm Rv 11:19

And now Lord take note of their threats and grant that you servants may speak your word with great confidence while you extend your hand to heal and do signs and wonders in the name of your holy servant Jesus. And when they ad prayed the place where they had gathered together was shaken and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and they began to declare the word with great boldness Acts 4
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Re: Noah's ark
« Reply #85 on: April 17, 2014, 08:44:59 AM »
Zecha  9;14-17     THEN THE LORD WILL APPEAR OVER THEM[tongues of fire?]

   His arrow will flash like LIGHTENING

   The Sovereign Lord will sound the trumpet,He will march in the storms of the south[Thunder/Wind] and the Lord Almighty

   will sheild them.  They will destroy and overcome with slingstones[HAIL]  They will drink and ROAR AS WITH WINE;

   they will be full like a bowl for sprinkling the corners of the alter.

   The Lord their God will save them on that day as the flock of His people. They will sparkle in his land like jewels in

  a crown. How attractive and beautiful they will be.

   GRAIN will make the young men thrive and   new wine the young women.


...........and when they had prayed the place where they were gathered togather was Shaken[EARTHQUAKE]

   and they were filled with the Holy spirit and they began to declare the word with great boldness.
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