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Redistribution of Wealth - - New Company Policy
« on: October 29, 2008, 05:55:14 PM »
Send this to your friends who don't understand about  'redistribution of wealth' - perhaps this will clear things up!

Notice to All Employees

As of November 5, 2008, when President _ _ _ _ _ is officially elected into office, our company will instill a few new policies which are in keeping with his new, inspiring issues of change and fairness:

1.     All salespeople will be pooling their sales and bonuses into a common pool that will be divided equally between all of you.  This will serve to give those of you who are underachieving a 'fair shake.' 

2.     All low level workers will be pooling their wages, including overtime, into a common pool, dividing it equally amongst yourselves.  This will help those who are 'too busy for overtime' to reap the rewards from those who have more spare time and can work extra hours.

3.     All top management will now be referred to as 'the government.'  We will not participate in this 'pool ing' experience because the law doesn't apply to us.

4.     The 'government' will give eloquent speeches to all employees every week, encouraging it's workers to continue to work hard 'for the good of all.=E 2

5.     The employees will be thrilled with these new policies because it's 'good to spread the wealth.'  Those of you who have underachieved will finally get an opportunity; those of you who have worked hard and had success will feel more 'patriotic.'

6.  The last few people who were hired should clean out their desks.  Don't feel bad, though, because President Obama will give you free healthcare, free handouts, free oil for heating your home, free food stamps, and he'll let you stay in your home for as long as you want even if you can't pay your mortgage.  If you appeal directly to our democratic congress, you might even get a free flat screen TV and a coupon for free haircuts (shouldn't all Americans be entitled to nice looking hair?) !!!


If for any reason you are not happy with the new policies, you may want to rethink your vote on  November 4th.
 
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« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2008, 07:10:22 AM »
A friend sent me this.

No explanation needed.
In a local restaurant my server had on a 'Obama 08' tie; again I laughed
as he had given away his political preference-just imagine the
coincidence. When the bill came I decided not to tip the server and
explained to him that I was exploring the Obama redistribution of wealth
concept. He
stood there in disbelief while I told him that I was going to redistribute
his tip to someone who I deemed more in need--the homeless guy
outside. The server angrily stormed from my sight.

I went outside, gave the homeless guy $10 and told him to
thank the server inside as I've decided he could use the money
more. At the end of my rather unscientific redistribution
realized the homeless guy was grateful for the money he did not earn,
but the waiter was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did earn even
though the actual recipient deserved money more.

I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in
concept than in practical application.
"Pretty soon, everybody will get what they deserve, which is ..."Salvation"..."Reconciliation"..."Restitution"..."Restoration"..."Immortality"... and "Incorruption" --- now ain't that the coolest thing?

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« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2008, 07:50:10 AM »
I don't see a problem with taking care of our own and giving the hurting of this country a hand up rather than the step down that Republicans want to give to everybody except for Exxon and big corporations.  Way over 60% of the taxes in this country are paid by the wealthy. It's only if you make over X-amount that you pay taxes in this county on April 15th.  Those that have their wages garnished throughout the year for tax purposes that don't make over a certain amount always get all of their money back in a tax refund check anyway.  30% of the people in this country don't pay any taxes, with the exception of a sales tax on either their root beer or their beer, so they've been enjoying the roads, police, libraries, schools, night time lighting of the streets, and emergency services that the rest of us have been paying for all of this time anyway. 

Most of what Obama's wanting to do is to make sure that there aren't any more $55,000 toilet seats, but that the money collected goes to the people and programs that the U.S. has claimed all of this time were the recipients of social security and other benefits.  I've read the entire websites, listened to all of the political speeches, and have read ABSOLUTELY ALL of the writings of all of the candidates in this election and Obama genuinely has the sounder approach to all of the issues that we face in this country.  McCain is tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine where all of the major issues are concerned.  The other candidates, for the most part, without breaking it down on all of the candidates name by name -- they're one or two issue special interest candidates with the exception of Alan Keyes and the U.S. isn't ready for a combination John Adams/Thomas Jefferson administration.  We need a greater spiritual revival before this country could endure a godly candidate.  Perhaps for 2012, but not for 2008.  Right now people are too self absorbed about the economy, education, retirement benefits, the war, healthcare, the energy crisis, and the immigration issue to endure sound doctrine.

The Jubilee principle of the Old Testament is the type of redistribution of wealth that our leading candidates are proposing right now, although there's argument about how to implement it.  In principle, what's going on right now and what HAS TO go on right now isn't foreign to the Scriptures.  People are caught in a rat trap right now and it's crushing their ribs and they just need the strategic "out" right now that even President Bush has been saying that at any other time and under less severe circumstances would be total nonsense to implement.  People have been losing their jobs and their homes by the hundreds of thousands in this country, and if something doesn't happen then the divorce, abortion, suicide, substance abuse, and homeless rates will sky rocket accordingly.  We're talking about a nation of over 300 million people with only 30 million Christians in it that are halfway honestly trying with their prayers, Bibles, morality, generocity, etc.  We've got over 250 million pagan heathen in the United States that are really really suffering right now and we can't turn our backs on them when the pressure's the greatest that it's been in decades, as well as their being at a loss for what to do to even survive.  We've got to do something, even if each of us has to stand on the Word for a couple billion dollars to relieve so much suffering in this country! 

Part of our discipleship of the nations is to wipe away their tears and alleviate their suffering while restoring them to enough of a sound mind to where they can hear us about the Rulership of Christ Jesus and of His conquest of death that we're each partakers and participants in.  If not us, who?  If not now, when?

Genuine Christian ministry in the Gospels, the book of Acts and throughout St. Paul's epistles, along with the indepth teaching of the Word, is the redistribution of wealth.  Even God's judgments throughout the Bible are the redistribution of wealth together with dealing with the moral, sanctification, and other issues.  And my beliefs aren't communist.  They're still extremely Charismatic/Word of Faith/Capitalistic when it comes to the generation of wealth by obeying the Holy Spirit each step of the way in sowing in Word, thought, action, and materials what/when/where He indicates.  Jobs are important and so is a believer's priestly duties in worshipping the Father [in spirit and truth] for the abundance of all things before the High Priest that there is in these days.  But the Bible teaches that the reason for wealth is the establishment of God's Covenant in the earth: the feeding of the hungry; the caring for the infirmed, widows, legal aliens, orphans, and the retired; and making sure that justice and righteousness is secured for the oppressed.  I guess on some things it took lawyers back then just the same as today.
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« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2008, 03:46:46 PM »
Am I wrong that I think that under Obama's plan, only if you make over 250K you will pay higher taxes? I'm a little confused because aren't taxes already stair-stepped in that the higher your income the higher tax bracket you are in? Why is Obama's plan any different? Is he just planning on giving the money taken to others as opposed to programs?

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« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2008, 06:32:53 AM »
The democrats want the child tax credit to expire.  As a hard working American, that makes far less than $250,000 per year, I will see a raise in taxes should it expire. Sure, my tax bracket might go down 1-3% under his plan, but the lack of the child tax credit will directly affect me.  In fact, it will triple my taxes!!! So, when Obama declares that those under $250,000 per year will not affected, think again. Strange isn't it, that under republican policies I have actually taken home more pay!

On a human level, I don't mind the concept of redistribution of wealth.  In fact, I would argue it is the Christian thing to do.  However, when Government takes that role it robs people of the ability to freely 'give'. I couldn't afford a 10% tithe even if I wanted too! I don't live in an expensive house, or drive an expensive car, or go out to eat more than once a month.  I have basic services (phone, internet) and I struggle as a decently paid computer technician with a wife and two young children. These child tax credits are must for myself! Anyway, the point is, if you take away even more money from me, I likely will not be able to give anything to the local church, missionaries, or any type of humanitarian aid. That would be a real shame, and more importantly the government fails at managing anything. Ever been to the DMV? You want those slackers managing the wealth of this nation?

Do people understand why a larger government is a problem? I honestly don't think the average citizen understands why.  Pure and simple is that when you are not managing your own money, you are more likely to use it improperly, unwisely, etc... The government doesn't manage anything like it owns it, it manages it wastefully because it isn't their money. Who has your best interest at heart? Yourself, or some guy or group of people who don't even know you exist?

Edit ** And if you really sit down and think about it, the way the tax system is currently already does do redistribution of wealth.  The rich not only pay more to taxes because they make more money, but also on top of that, they pay a 'higher' percentage. That alone, redistributes the wealth. Why should this be taken even further than it already is? Communism will never work as long as there are people who are a cancer to society.  Until Christ raises us all from the dead immortal, perfect, then a communistic government will never stand.  It will always crumble as human nature sets in.
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« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2008, 06:55:16 AM »
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It's only if you make over X-amount that you pay taxes in this county on April 15th.  Those that have their wages garnished throughout the year for tax purposes that don't make over a certain amount always get all of their money back in a tax refund check anyway.  30% of the people in this country don't pay any taxes, with the exception of a sales tax on either their root beer or their beer, so they've been enjoying the roads, police, libraries, schools, night time lighting of the streets, and emergency services that the rest of us have been paying for all of this time anyway. 

Correct, we are already redistributing the wealth currently as you described. However, the problem I have with this and what some people would propose is that people who pay no taxes should still get a tax credit. So not only do they not pay taxes, but they get a refund! (free money, really) Now, if these are special needs people, I would not have a problem.  But there are many people out there who have the choice between working 50 - 60 hours a week and not working and making only a bit less money. This is the core of the problem.  They think, why work when I can get this for free? If you remove that blanket protection of welfare for those who 'can' work (males, 18 - 50) then you will find them employed.  What ever happened to the Biblical concept of working before you eat? To many Americans are frustrated with the failing welfare system, with food stamps (cards, now I believe) being sold and people purchasing foods that are not on the allowed list. Is it any wonder those with jobs and who have had a stable job history through hard work are a bit upset over the failing system? Maybe I will quit my job.  Heck, I won't have to work and even though I may bring home a bit less money, I will sure have a lot of free time to have fun, party and maybe do some black market shopping and selling.
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« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2008, 11:58:21 AM »
Socialism isn't communism. I think I know a bit about it because I live in such a country.
Socialism was actually a blessing for Joe Plumber when it started here.
Most people where poor working slaves. Until the rise of the unions.
The little man got organized and got protecting about being exploited. Got access to decent schools, medical care, etc etc.
But then people start abusing the system. Politician start handing out more and more money that isn't theirs to get a vote.
Joe Plumber gets lazy and chooses for welfare. The welfare group is the typical socialist votes. So we get a one hand washes the other situation. That gets more and more extreme. For example internet is considered basic 'life need' (name?) and free for them.
The less left wing parties start to see things get out of hand. Society starts to get a bit pissed that half of what they earn goto taxes. Politicians start 'fixing' the problem. They try to 'force' those on welfare getting a job.
But who wants a unskilled person? The solution is that .gov pays a large percentage of their wages.
Employers are happy for a while until they wake up. He! Lets 'help .gov' by hiring more of those half pay workers. And of course kick out the expensive ones. Unfortunately .gov only pays for a while. Solutions just replace that cheap guy by a new one.
End result wages go down because .gov created unhealthy competition.
But is capitalism and/or the USA system so much better. Surely it all boils down to preferences. Clear you mind. Take a seat on the moon and observe the earth.
When I do that I see:
Socialism=Communism=Capitalism.
Why? Simply because all of those systems seem to lead to a point where the 2% happy few have 98% of the goodies. => 2%-98%
I already explained the path of socialism.
Communism sounds good. All get equal changes and payment. End result: All get the same nothing except the big red leader. => 2%-98%
Capitalism sounds good too. Every Joe plumber has a chance to become the next Bill Gates. Reality is that there is only one Bill Gates and many Joe Plumbers. Things get more and more out of balance until => 2%-98%

Basically all the systems lead to the same end result. Only the path toward that end result differs...
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« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2008, 12:50:49 PM »
What we have in the us now isn't capitalism.  It is highway robbery.  It is everything our founders fought against.  It is big government, dictating to a shell shocked people.  It is lobbyists and special interest groups making themselves richer.  It is money buys all votes.  It is money buys media.  It is money rules.  It is 'the complex.'

Our founders had it right.  Our Constitution got it right.  That's why special interests work tirelessly to defang and destroy it.  The battle is endless against such forces.

No other country in the world has a Constitution like ours.  We are the envy of the world and the thorn in the side of the elites.

If only we can keep it...


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« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2008, 01:06:51 PM »
What we have in the us now isn't capitalism.  It is highway robbery.
The 2% I mentioned are the highways robbers.


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It is everything our founders fought against.  It is big government, dictating to a shell shocked people.  It is lobbyists and special interest groups making themselves richer.  It is money buys all votes.  It is money buys media.  It is money rules.  It is 'the complex.'
And again similar to other systems that where designed for the better of the population. Give the population a vote etc.
That right gets abused and all systems end up at the same point 2%-98% (robbers-robbed)

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We are the envy of the world
I think you have read only rigged polls about that  :laughing7:

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If only we can keep it...
Look around and take a guess....

It's even in the Bible that all earthly kingdoms will fail.
Many kingdoms that at that time seemed undestructible are reduced to a few lines in a history book...

Basicly there are several political systems that all sound reasonbly good. Which you like is of course a matter of preference. I to have my favorite and less like systems. To drag the Bible in view the political systems as types of good seeds that taste great. Unfortunate the seeds where polluted with bad seed/weed/etc.
Weed grow far faster than good seed and always seem to overcome the good seed.
God cursed the earth/soil....


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« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2008, 02:04:55 PM »
It may not be perfect, ww, but it sure beats the roughly 100 million Russians killed by the communists and the roughly 40 million Europeans and Americans killed by the fascists.

Until Jesus comes back, it'll have to do.  But, like I said, the fight is endless.

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« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2008, 02:42:12 PM »
Molly,
Why do I get the impression you think I'm defending communism?
I'm not a communist. I'm a racist accorning to most left-wingers because imo people have to work for their living...
I'm just someone who tries to look at things from all possible angles.
I'm also someone that votes for a party/candidate without even looking at what the party say the stand for.
All lies. I don't look at what they claim. I look at what they did in the past.
I try to do the same with political systems. I look at outcome instead of intentions and claima.

Satan has indeed met his equal in Stalin. Stalin was the 2%. The weed.
That other madman from Austria with was equally insane. And well sponsored by the big money like IG Farben. Then the 4th largest company in the world. Not to forget heavy sponsoring from the US. Many of the US troops got killed by bullets financed by grandpa bush and friends.
Are Hitler, Stalin and all other satanic minds a representation of the system they controled?
IMO no. They where the weeds. Weeds of the very worst kind.

The fight is not endless because as you said it will end when the troops of the Son crush the Satanic forces.
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John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
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« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2008, 06:20:55 PM »
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The democrats want the child tax credit to expire.  As a hard working American, that makes far less than $250,000 per year, I will see a raise in taxes should it expire. Sure, my tax bracket might go down 1-3% under his plan, but the lack of the child tax credit will directly affect me.  In fact, it will triple my taxes!!! So, when Obama declares that those under $250,000 per year will not affected, think again. Strange isn't it, that under republican policies I have actually taken home more pay!

Do you have a link that supports this claim. I am still an undecided voter and am trying to inform myself.

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« Last Edit: October 31, 2008, 06:48:14 PM by WhiteWings »
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2008, 03:05:03 PM »
Please vote Obama out!
He's gonna cost me an arm and a leg. (on top of the rib I'm missing)
Gore is gonna be "ambassador of climate tax change"
The only Al I like is Al Bundy  :laughing7:




http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/15142_Page2.html
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1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2008, 05:35:23 PM »
Thank you for posting the articles. What I got out of the articles was that Democrats may or may not keep the child tax credit when it expires at $1000 depending on the economy. According to the articles it sounds like my taxes, even as a person in the middle income bracket, will go up. I wonder if this is true, or just a POV. Anyway, the problem is that we are spending more that me have, albeit in a way that profits me because I have 2 kids. That stimulus check awhile ago was nice, but I'm torn in that if the govenment can't afford it, should they be doing it? I kind of think if you can't afford a steak, you don't eat a steak. It seems the republicans are guilty of living beyond their means although it seems typically there banner is less spending, less government. By the way, I am republican.  :dontknow:

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« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2008, 05:42:58 PM »
Sarah,

Forget finding clear answers in politics....

I'm no American so my knowledge of your country is limited. But I do know I would find it hard to pick a candidate.
My preference would be one of the candidates that are light years from winning elections. So I'm forced to votes a losing candidate and so loosing my vote. Or I vote, what we call here, strategically for the lesser evil of the main candidates.

Can't find the article but somewher Obama stated when he is elected he has to take 'drastic steps that noone will like'
Needless to say he isn't taking about things that benefit Joe Plumber.

But I fully agree with your anology of the steak. The dept of the US is terrifying high. You can ignore it for several years. But I fear it will backfire big time. If things where that easy who cares about economics and employment. Just print some extra dollars and all are rich....
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1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2008, 05:58:55 PM »
Yes, I do think it will be impossible to get straight answers from anyone, because politicians want to promise the goods(money) to all to secure the votes. The general view is that the democratic party takes from the rich and gives to the poor and provides more stuff like healthcare. The republican party is less government and capitalistic; you eat what you kill. Iv'e been raised a republican, and would probably be lynched if I voiced my contemplation of another candidate, but I find myself drawn toward Obama. I just want to make sure it isn't just oratory gifts that I am leaning toward and not fact. I'm tired of being ill-informed and just marking the (R) box because that is what my dad did, so I'm putting forth a legitimate effort this year. Although my vote won't make a difference, I feel that for myself I need to not be a lazy voter for characters sake. Ahhh, 3 days until election and I'm still undecided!!

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« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2008, 06:10:03 PM »
Define rich....
He we have some politicians that define rich as having 1 dollar left at the end of the month (roots is Mao)

I see Al Gore as a big red flag. For me with that Obama has dropped his mask. (if not already)

And the claims of Obama means absolutely nothing without knowing all his plans. Same for other candidates BTW.
I'll try to explain it with an extreme example.
Say Obama raises the overal costs of living by 50% for every American.
But at the end of the year the lower/middle income get a 2% tax refund.
Then you are still 48% in the hole....
But Obama kept his promise to benefit the non-rich.

That's how things work here....
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2008, 06:23:54 PM »
In Obama's speech, the rich are those making over $250K a year and they are the ones that will be taken from and given to the middle class.

For many Americans having a dollar left if your pocket at the end of the month is rich, but not as you would suppose. We live way beyond our means, as if we make $250 a year, but at the end of each month we are all in debt because of our own lusts.

I'm not sure what you mean my Al Gore. He was the vice presidential candidate in years past.

What do you mean by Obama raising the cost of living? By driving up taxes?


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« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2008, 06:25:00 PM »
I've never liked politics . . .seldom ever even vote.  When I do listen, I found that I'm a conservative at heart and this year, there are no conservatives to choose from anymore, however, since Palin has come into the picture, I have become more encouraged to see things could be interestingly better if she were allowed to be a part of the whitehouse activities.  I've never been able to listen to most of the democratic speeches.  I had a terrible time tryingn to pay attention at all when Clinton was in office . . .just had no interest in any of what he had to say.  And even now, whether it's McCain or Obama, I still don't pay that close attention.

Both claim to bring change, yet their delivery message is no different from all the previous political leaders before them.  Then enter the biasness of the press . . . I heard one of the commentators say yesterday that Obama is a 98% or higher favorite  . . . they don't report the news anymore, they use their position in front of the camera as a platform to influence and intimidate the listeners.  Even our small local news anchors seem to be doing it as well.  Lot's of chaos.  Us Americans wouldn't have it any other way!

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« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2008, 07:31:58 PM »
I'm not sure what you mean my Al Gore. He was the vice presidential candidate in years past.
Al Gore will be of Obama's staff:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/15142_Page2.html

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What do you mean by Obama raising the cost of living? By driving up taxes?

I can't specify that but politicians always find a way to trick you.
To focus on how Gore wrecked my budget. He gave our .gov the bright idea to put the so called eco-tax on about everything.
That's tax on top of the normal tax.
I once compares US and Dutch prices of Pontiac Firebird. Here it costs 5x more. Mainlt due to all kind of taxes and regulations.
Many things have great concequences.
Another extreme example. Obama is going feed the hungry in Africa. He ships 50% of all grain produced in the USA to Africa for free. He didn't raise any tax. But what do you think it does with the cost of living? Who payed the war in Iraq? Who paid that 700 billion rescue plan for the banks?
Not Bush. But 350 miljon Americans.


1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: Redistribution of Wealth - - New Company Policy
« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2008, 08:39:35 PM »
I'm not sure what you mean my Al Gore. He was the vice presidential candidate in years past.
Al Gore will be of Obama's staff:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/15142_Page2.html

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What do you mean by Obama raising the cost of living? By driving up taxes?

I can't specify that but politicians always find a way to trick you.
To focus on how Gore wrecked my budget. He gave our .gov the bright idea to put the so called eco-tax on about everything.
That's tax on top of the normal tax.
I once compares US and Dutch prices of Pontiac Firebird. Here it costs 5x more. Mainlt due to all kind of taxes and regulations.
Many things have great concequences.
Another extreme example. Obama is going feed the hungry in Africa. He ships 50% of all grain produced in the USA to Africa for free. He didn't raise any tax. But what do you think it does with the cost of living? Who payed the war in Iraq? Who paid that 700 billion rescue plan for the banks?
Not Bush. But 350 miljon Americans.



Don't you know that you are a citizen [slave] of the world?

You are to be sacrificed on the alter of Babylon, like the rest of us.

But, it's more complicated than you describe.  The serpent is more subtle than all the beasts...

If they stopped suppressing the science of the last 100 years, all the world could live like kings for free...