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The Whole Bible vs. Universalism
« on: November 02, 2008, 03:52:12 PM »
Hey all  :girlheart:

Was just wondering something. Please bare with my ignorance as I am very very new to the Universalism religion (even tho in my heart of hearts since i was a child i believed in it). Anyhow I don't wanna upset anyone with my question and it is not meant to offend anyone but it's something i have to ask. How much of the bible (O.T and N.T) actually support Universalism. Is it the whole bible or just some scriptures? Cos to me it seems to be just a few scriptures. Don't get me wrong please, I still believe (well honestly about 70% at this point), but i need to know. Thanks all.

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Re: The Whole Bible vs. Universalism
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2008, 04:05:30 PM »
The way I see it all relevant scriptures teach it.
Perhaps some more clearly than others....
If you found contradiction then that needs to be cleared up.
What I collected sofar:

Romans 5:15  But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man's trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many.

Romans 5:17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
Receive is passive. Pages 118-120 Hope beyond Hell.

Romans 5:18-19
Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men,  Adams sin brought death upon all.
so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men. Jesus sacrifice brought forgiveness for all.

Romans 5:20 
But where sin abounded (pleonazo), grace did much more abound (huperperisseuo)

4121 pleona,zw pleonazo {pleh-on-ad'-zo}
Meaning: 
to superabound
of things
to exist in abundance
to increase
be augmented
to make to increase: one in a thing

u`perperisseu,w huperperisseuo {hoop-er-per-is-syoo'-o}
Meaning: 
1) to abound beyond measure, abound exceedingly
2) to overflow, to enjoy abundantly


Psalm 145:9  The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works
Acts 10:34  Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
Romans 2:11  For there is no respect of persons with God.
Romans 10:12  or there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Galatians 2:6  But of these who seemed to be somewhat, (whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me: God accepteth no man's person:)....
Ephesians 6:9  .... knowing that your Master  also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him.
Colossians 3:25  But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done: and there is no respect of persons.
1 Timothy 2:3-4  For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;  Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
James 3:17  But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, .... without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
1 Peter 1:17  And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:

Luke 19:10  For the Son of Man came to seek and to save what was lost. (all are lost due to Adams mistake)
John 3:17 God sent his Son into the world, not to condemn the world, but to save the world.

Luke 15:4 "Suppose one of you has a 100 sheep and loses 1 of them. Does he not leave the 99 in the open country and go after the lost sheep until he finds it?
Matthew 18:13-14  And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray.
Matthew 18:14   Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.

Colossians 1:19-20  or it pleased the Father .... to reconcile all things unto himself (=God); by him,
reconcile = bring back a former state of harmony 95% of humanity in hell isn't a (former) state of harmony.
1 Corinthians 15:22  For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
Ephesians 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
Hosea 2:23  And I will sow her unto me in the earth; and I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy; => Mercy is given to the wicked.
Isaiah 1:18  ....  though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
Shall means it will happen. It's what God wants. Man has no choice in this matter.
White and wool represent a pure soul.
All with a pure soul will enter Heaven
Isaiah 25:6-8  .... make unto all people a feast of fat things....And he will destroy .... the vail that is spread over all nations.  He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces....
John 3:17 God sent his Son into the world, not to condemn the world, but to save the world. (world=mankind)
John 4:42  .... and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.
John 12:32 But I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to myself."
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
John 17:2  As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
1 John 4:14  And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
Luke 2:10  ... Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.  Joy in hell?
Luke 3:6 And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.
Matthew 18:11 for the Son of Man did come to save the lost.
Psalm 65:2-3  ... all people approach you. Our record of sins overwhelms me, but you forgive our acts of rebellion.
Romans 10:13  For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. Including calls from hell.
Romans 11:32 For God has imprisoned all in disobedience so that he may be merciful to all.       
1 Timothy 2:3-4  .... God our Saviour;  Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth
1 Timothy 2:6  Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time
1 Timothy 4:10 For it is for this we labor and strive, because we have fixed our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers.   

John 3:35  The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.
God gives full control to Jesus
John 17:2  As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
Matthew 1:21  And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
The task of Jesus is to give eternal life to all things (=mankind)
John 6:37  All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
And Jesus accomplishes His task

Job 23:13 And He is in one mind, And who doth turn Him back? And His soul hath desired -- and He doth it.
Isaiah 53:10  .... and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his (=Jesus) hand.
What pleasure/desire of God will be done?
Ezekiel 33:11  I (=God) have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live:....
His pleasure is that the wicked shall live
Isaiah 45:21-25  .... God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.  22 Look unto me, and be ye saved .... I have sworn by myself .... That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear..... In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel (=Jacob=God prevails=all) be justified, and shall glory.
Isaiah 46:10  .... and I (=God) will do all my pleasure:
Romans 4:21  what he (=God) had promised, he was able also to perform.
God will not fail. Or did He lie? Or did He overestimate Himself?

Romans 6:23  For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Romans 5:18  .... even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
The gift of life is given; not offered.

John 12:47 I'm (=Jesus) not his judge: I did not come to be judge of the world but to give salvation to the world.
John 17:4  I have given you glory on the earth, having done all the work which you gave me to do.
Jesus was sent to bring salvation to bring salvation to all the world and he completed that task

Genesis 12:3  And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
Genesis 26:4  .... and in thy (=Abraham) seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
What is blessing? Eternal life or eternal torment in hell?
Also notice that all families will receive the same blessing. So all will spent eternity in the same place/condition.

Psalm 30:5 His anger lasts only a moment. His favor lasts a lifetime. Weeping may last for the night, but there is a song of joy in the morning.
This is not only for this lifetime... Malachi 3:6  "I the LORD do not change....
Isaiah 54:7 For a short time I gave you up; but with great mercies I will take you back again.
Isaiah 54:8 In a little wrath I turned away my face from thee; but with everlasting mercy will I have compassion upon thee, saith the Lord that delivers thee.
1 Corinthians 13:8  The love doth never fail.
Chronicles 16:34 Give thanks to the LORD, for he is good; his love endures forever.
Lamentations 3:31-32  For the Lord will not cast off for ever: But though he cause grief, yet will he have compassion according to the multitude of his mercies.
Micah 7:18-19 .... he does not keep his wrath for ever, because his delight is in mercy....He will again have pity on us
Malachi 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
2 Samuel 14:14 .... But God does not take away life; instead he devises ways for the banished to be restored.

1. 1Ti_2:4 - God will have all to be saved - Can His will be thwarted?
2. 1Ti_2:4 - God desires all to come to the knowledge of truth - Will His desire come to pass?
3. 1Ti_2:6 - Salvation of all is testified in due time - Are we judging God before due time?
4. Joh_12:47 - Jesus came to save all - Will He succeed?
5. Eph_1:11 - God works all after the counsel of His will - Can your will overcome His?
6. Joh_4:42 - Jesus is Savior of the world - Can He be Savior of all without saving all?
7. 1Jo_4:14 - Jesus is Savior of the world - Why don't we believe it?
8. Joh_12:32 - Jesus will draw all mankind unto Himself - To roast or to love?
9. Col_1:16 - By Him all were created - Will He lose a part of His creation?
10. Rom_5:15-21 - In Adam all condemned, in Christ all live - The same all?
11. 1Co_15:22 - In Adam all die, in Christ all live - Again, the same all?
12. Eph_1:10 - All come into Him at the fulness of times - Are you getting tired of seeing the word, all?
13. Phi_2:9-11 - Every tongue shall confess Jesus is Lord - Will the Holy Spirit be given to everyone?
14. 1Co_12:3 - Cannot confess except by Holy Spirit - See what I mean?
15. Rom_11:26 - All Israel will be saved - But most Jews don't believe yet!
16. Act_3:20-21 - Restitution of all - How plain can you get?
17. Luk_2:10 - Jesus will be joy to all people - Is there joy is "hell"?
18. Heb_8:11-12 - All will know God - How long, O Lord?
19. Eph_2:7 - His grace shown in the ages to come - Have we judged Him before the time?
20. Tit_2:11 - Grace has appeared to all - Experientially or prophetically?
21. Rom_8:19-21 - Creation set at liberty - How much of creation?
22. Col_1:20 - All reconciled unto God - There's that word "all" again.
23. 1Co_4:5 - All will have praise of God - What for?
24. Jam_5:11 - End of the Lord is full of mercy - Is "hell" mercy?
25. Rev_15:4 - All nations worship when God's judgments are seen - Could His judgment be mercy?
26. Rom_11:32 - All subject to unbelief, mercy on all - All?
27. Rom_11:36 - All out of, through, and into Him - ALL into Him?
28. Eph_4:10 - Jesus will fill all things -  Including "hell?"
29. Rev_5:13 - All creation seen praising God - Including Satan?
30. 1Co_15:28 - God will be all in all - What does that mean, preacher?
31. Rev_21:4-5 - No more tears, all things made new - ALL made new?
32. Joh_5:25 - All dead who hear will live - How many will hear?
33. Joh_5:28 - All in the grave will hear and come forth - How will the "righteous" judge, judge?
34. 1Co_3:15 - All saved, so as by fire - How can fire save you?
35. Mar_9:49 - Everyone shall be salted with fire - Including you?
36. Rom_11:15 - Reconciliation of the world - Will fire save the world instead of destroy it?
37. 2Co_5:15 - Jesus died for all - Did He die in vain?
38. Joh_8:29 - Jesus always does what pleases His Father - What pleases the Father? (1Ti_2:4) 
39. Heb_1:2 - Jesus is Heir of all things - Does "things" include people?
40. Joh_17:2 - Jesus gives eternal life to all that His Father gave Him - How many did the Father give Him?
41. Joh_3:35 - The Father gave Him all things - (Repeated for emphasis) Study the word "things" in the Greek.
42. 1Ti_4:9-11 - Jesus is Savior of all! - Can't seem to get away from that word "all."
43. Heb_7:25 - Jesus is able to save to the uttermost - How far is "uttermost?"
44. 1Co_15:26 - Last enemy, death, will be destroyed - Including "lake of fire" which is "second death?"
45. Isa_46:10 - God will do all His pleasure - Does Old Testament agree with the New?
46. Gen_18:18 - All families of the earth will be blessed - Here comes that word "all" again.
47. Dan_4:35 - God's will done in heaven and earth - What can defeat His will?
48. Psa_66:3-4 - Enemies will submit to God - Can any stay rebellious in "hell?"
49. Psa_90:3 - God turns man to destruction, then says return - How can one return from "destruction?"
50. Isa_25:7 - Will destroy veil spread over all nations - All nations?
51. Deu_32:39 - He kills and makes alive - Kills to bring life?
52. Psa_33:15 - God fashions all hearts - "All" hearts, including men like "Hitler?"
53. Pro_16:9 - Man devises, God directs his steps - What about "free will?"
54. Pro_19:21 - Man devises, but God's counsel stands - So much for "free will".
55. Lam_3:31-32 - God will not cast off forever - Why does He cast off in the first place? (1 Cor. 11)
56. Isa_2:2 - All nations shall flow to the Lord's house - ALL nations?
57. Psa_86:9 - All nations will worship Him - ALL nations!
58. Isa_45:23 - All descendants of Israel justified - Including the wicked ones?
59. Psa_138:4 - All kings will praise God - Are you catching on?
60. Psa_65:2-4 - All flesh will come to God - That sounds wondrous.
61. Psa_72:18 - God only does wondrous things - I wish we would believe that.
62. Isa_19:21-23 - Egypt & Assyria will be restored - Really?
63. Eze_16:55 - Sodom will be restored to former estate - Sounds impossible.
64. Jer_32:17 - Nothing is too difficult for Him - Nothing? No, nothing!
65. Psa_22:27 - All ends of the earth will turn to Him - For what purpose?
66. Psa_22:27 - All families will worship before Him - Praise His name!
67. Psa_145:9 - He is good to all - Including your worst enemies.
68. Psa_145:9 - His mercies are over all his works - Let's start believing that.
69. Psa_145:14 - He raises all who fall - Who hasn't fallen in sin?
70. Psa_145:10 - All His works will praise Him - For "eternal torment?"
71. Isa_25:6 - Lord makes a feast for all people - And you are invited.
72. Jer_32:35 - Never entered His mind to torture his children with fire. This came from the carnal mind.
73. Joh_6:44 - No one can come to Him unless He draws them. You can't "chose" to follow Him.
74. Joh_12:32 - I will draw all mankind unto Myself - Amen!!!
75. Psa_135:6 - God does what pleases Him - If it pleases Him to save all that He might be in all, are you upset?

My personal favorites
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1 Timothy 2:3-4  .... God our Saviour;  Who will have all men to be saved....
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ....


Just a few quotes right out my labratory DD  :bgdance:

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1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: The Whole Bible vs. Universalism
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2008, 04:21:59 PM »
It's really the whole Bible that teaches it.  I'm still astonished every once in a while by more and more that leaps out of the Scriptures to me about it.  A lot of people get lost on it because of the process that sometimes involves condemnation and destruction because God only saves by judging what is evil, and God only saves through the Blood Covenant of Jesus Christ.  Harold Lovelace has compiled 600 verses of Scripture in his book on it that either directly state it or that establish the usage of the Bible's terminology about it because you get people that'll say that all doesn't always mean all and a lot of other things.  So, he just stuck it all in one small book, both the promises and the passages that help to clarify the Scripture's usage of it's terms related to the salvation and restoration of all:

http://www.haroldlovelace.com

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Re: The Whole Bible vs. Universalism
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2008, 04:46:27 PM »
Nice site Martin.

It gets kinda boring with so many "all" troughout the Bible.
And I mean that is the most positive way!
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: The Whole Bible vs. Universalism
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2008, 06:48:26 PM »
Hey all  :girlheart:

Was just wondering something. Please bare with my ignorance as I am very very new to the Universalism religion (even tho in my heart of hearts since i was a child i believed in it). Anyhow I don't wanna upset anyone with my question and it is not meant to offend anyone but it's something i have to ask. How much of the bible (O.T and N.T) actually support Universalism. Is it the whole bible or just some scriptures? Cos to me it seems to be just a few scriptures. Don't get me wrong please, I still believe (well honestly about 70% at this point), but i need to know. Thanks all.

God Bless
Dee


Your question is fine whether you believe in UR or not.


As far as direct statements in scripture goes, you can find more about death, destruction and punishment.   There is also the issue of the translation of greek and hebrew to words that mean everlasting. 

But there in lies the issue.  Is it about the number of verses you can find to support one or the other?

It does not matter how many verses you find that supports eternal punishment, if only one direct statement in scripture says "God WILLS that all mankind be saved"

You then have a possible contradiction to the previous number of scriptures that was used to say otherwise.

So, does the bible now possibly contradict itself, or is it the intepretation that is contradictory?

Not sure if that helps, but my point is that the number of verses found to support anything does not define what the bible is supposed to be saying.


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Re: The Whole Bible vs. Universalism
« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2008, 05:52:09 AM »
Hey all  :girlheart:

Was just wondering something. Please bare with my ignorance as I am very very new to the Universalism religion (even tho in my heart of hearts since i was a child i believed in it). Anyhow I don't wanna upset anyone with my question and it is not meant to offend anyone but it's something i have to ask. How much of the bible (O.T and N.T) actually support Universalism. Is it the whole bible or just some scriptures? Cos to me it seems to be just a few scriptures. Don't get me wrong please, I still believe (well honestly about 70% at this point), but i need to know. Thanks all.

God Bless
Dee

Actually, I find the Bible supports UR more than ET. Like Martin said the more I read the more scriptures I find that support UR. Actually, the Bible is full of UR.

CHB 

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Re: The Whole Bible vs. Universalism
« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2008, 03:14:50 PM »
Hey all  :girlheart:

Was just wondering something. Please bare with my ignorance as I am very very new to the Universalism religion (even tho in my heart of hearts since i was a child i believed in it). Anyhow I don't wanna upset anyone with my question and it is not meant to offend anyone but it's something i have to ask. How much of the bible (O.T and N.T) actually support Universalism. Is it the whole bible or just some scriptures? Cos to me it seems to be just a few scriptures. Don't get me wrong please, I still believe (well honestly about 70% at this point), but i need to know. Thanks all.

God Bless
Dee

Dear Dee,
The Old Testament is not written to prove Universalism. In a nutshell It begins with creation, then the sin of Adam, then the promised seed to undo what Adam did then it is about God's people and the continuation of the theme promised to Adam and Eve.

There are verses interspersed now and then in the O.T. concerning all the nations being blessed through the Seed (Christ.).

The New Testament is not written to prove Universalism either. The four gospels are written to prove that Jesus was the Christ, the Messiah, the One promised in the O.T. But there are texts in the four gospels giving testimony to Christ saving the world. The apostle Paul gives the greatest testimony of God saving all mankind based upon Christ's death and resurrection.

Just my 5 cents.

Tony
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Just because God says He will save all mankind
does not necessarily mean He won't.

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Re: The Whole Bible vs. Universalism
« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2008, 07:25:44 PM »
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Just my 5 cents.

Hey how come you have 3 more cents then I do? :laughing7:

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Re: The Whole Bible vs. Universalism
« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2008, 08:06:08 PM »
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Just my 5 cents.

Hey how come you have 3 more cents then I do? :laughing7:

Inflation :icon_joker:
Just because God says He will save all mankind
does not necessarily mean He won't.

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Re: The Whole Bible vs. Universalism
« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2008, 08:42:11 PM »
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Just my 5 cents.

Hey how come you have 3 more cents then I do? :laughing7:

Inflation :icon_joker:

I thought it was because you are American and I am Canadian :laughing7:

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Re: The Whole Bible vs. Universalism
« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2008, 06:58:16 PM »
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Just my 5 cents.

Hey how come you have 3 more cents then I do? :laughing7:

Inflation :icon_joker:

I thought it was because you are American and I am Canadian :laughing7:

You are American too (North American) but not a U.S. citizen.  :winkgrin:
Just because God says He will save all mankind
does not necessarily mean He won't.

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Re: The Whole Bible vs. Universalism
« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2008, 08:10:37 AM »
Apparently, it's not just a sea of scriptures that speak of universalism--- The whole Bible must be viewed in a broader scale to lead to a more limpid conclusion. The mistake Calvinists and Arminians make is the fact that they only extract certain passages to uphold their topical view on salvation. But while you carefully examine the meanings of Bible writers' diction in ancient Greek, the Book would certainly evince the universalism.

Let us first discuss a little history besides the Word. There were a bunch of early church fathers who used Greek to teach Gospel and were close to Christ's era attesting God's punishment/correction of limited duration, such as "Bishop of Lyons" Iranaeus, "Bishop of Antioch" Theophilus, Clement of Alexandria, Origen, "Bishop of Caesarea in Palestine" Eusebius of Caesarea and blah.... Of course many of them in their lifetime or later were ruthlessly labeled as heretics. But consider this: According to the Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge, written by Schaff-Herzo in 1908, there were six dominant schools of Christendom from the 1st to 5th or 6th C. All the four of them teaching limited punishment of all mankind used Greek text for pedagogy, and the one that teached eternal torment spoke, you bet, Latin. Isn't it interesting to see that those who were close to the ancient Greek all believe in universalism? I don't think it's mere coincidence. It's because they knew what Greek words implied.

As to diction, those who wrote the New Testament using Greek clearly comprehended the necessity to choose the proper words. Take "aion" for example, it's the word used to represent the Hebrew word "olam", which appeared myriad times in the OT (Jon 1:17;2:6; Ez. 16:53-55; Ju.7; De.23:3...). All these scriptures, in a close scrutiny, cannot possibly mean "forever". They all refer to a limited period, which length varied. There were other Greek words to choose from representing "never-ending" but they were never used to describe punishment. Another instance of "not mere coincidence."

There are also many other subjects that may take off the Bible's ET coverings. Have you read Gerry Beauchemin's book "Hope beyond Hell?" it's indeed a thorough inspection on the Book and is loaded with great insights.

I cannot blame anyone still believing in ET, for it's rather convoluted to closely examine the scriptures to get rid of the accumulation of translation errors and human traditions. Yet I'm sure God's working on getting more to understand his power, benevolence and justice.

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Re: The Whole Bible vs. Universalism
« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2008, 08:16:03 AM »
600 scriptures addressing God's ultimate reconciliation--- http://haroldlovelace.com/lovelacelist.php.

IMO, any scriptures that seem to indicate ET, when accurately translated and properly divided, can be put in their proper context to show they don't mean that at all.  Good News!
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Re: The Whole Bible vs. Universalism
« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2008, 10:25:58 PM »
600 scriptures addressing God's ultimate reconciliation--- http://haroldlovelace.com/lovelacelist.php.

IMO, any scriptures that seem to indicate ET, when accurately translated and properly divided, can be put in their proper context to show they don't mean that at all.  Good News!

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Re: The Whole Bible vs. Universalism
« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2008, 07:53:35 AM »
Thanks Willi, I appreciate it.  I often use your "not right or wrong, just veiled or revealed" line...God's blessing, James.
Neither should there be vulgar speech, foolish talk, or coarse jesting--all of which are out of character--but rather thanksgiving.  Eph. 5:4  **  Saved 1John 3.2, Eph. 2:8, John 1:12 - Being saved 2Cor. 4:16 2Peter 3:18 - Will be saved 1Peter 1:5 Romans 8:23

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Re: The Whole Bible vs. Universalism
« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2008, 11:41:38 AM »
600 scriptures addressing God's ultimate reconciliation--- http://haroldlovelace.com/lovelacelist.php.
another insightful collection of Scriptural proof.