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Re: Punishment/correction lasts 1 day?
« Reply #25 on: November 08, 2008, 03:12:49 PM »
WW, all for mine is done in ONE DAY.,,As I believe the Scriptures testify

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day, time, year
day (as opposed to night)
day (24 hour period)
*as defined by evening and morning in Genesis 1
*as a division of time
a working day,
a day's journey,
lifetime
period (general)
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<2250> h`me,ra (hemera)
Meaning: day
Origin: a prim. word
Usage: always*(1), another(1), court(m)(1), daily*(10), day(208), daybreak(1), day's(1),days(148), daytime(2), midday*(1), time(m)(12), years(m)(3).

The word day becomes useless if it has so many meanings.
If we take the verse literally a day could mean anything between 12 hours and almost forever.
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: Punishment/correction lasts 1 day?
« Reply #26 on: November 08, 2008, 03:16:00 PM »
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Holy One for a flame: and it shall burn and devour his thorns and his briers in one day;

Is one really about the number of days?  1-2-3-4-...
Or is it a prediction that on a certain unmentioned date some event will (start to) take place?
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: Punishment/correction lasts 1 day?
« Reply #27 on: November 08, 2008, 03:19:49 PM »
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Holy One for a flame: and it shall burn and devour his thorns and his briers in one day;

Is one really about the number of days?  1-2-3-4-...
Or is it a prediction that on a certain unmentioned date some event will (start to) take place?

Don't underestimate the power and righteousness of God.

Psalm 111:10
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.

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Re: Punishment/correction lasts 1 day?
« Reply #28 on: November 08, 2008, 03:43:59 PM »
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The word day becomes useless if it has so many meanings.
If we take the verse literally a day could mean anything between 12 hours and almost forever.


Jhn 6:63 "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and [they] are life.

OK molly we will go this way..same END :icon_flower:

what day May I ask was This  DAY then MoLLy ..Just another 12 hrs?....lest bear in mind..Christ said NOTHING lest it be in Parables...

Jhn 11:9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.

Who be the ""LIGHT"""OF THE world Molly?

Jhn 8:12 Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, "I am the light of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life." .

Those who walk In the """"""""DAY""""""""""also walk IN the """LIGHT"""""""""" and THOSE who walk in the Light are these Molly.

Mat 5:14 "You are the light of the world. A city that is set on a hill cannot be hidden.

Again MOLLY...as the scrips testify one to another...Christ is THIS DAY, THIS LIGHT....The DAY of Salvation, which is the same DAY Given BY The Father to the SON, IN WHICH """""""""""""all """"" men will be judged.

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Isa 29:18 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.

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Re: Punishment/correction lasts 1 day?
« Reply #29 on: November 08, 2008, 03:51:39 PM »
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Holy One for a flame: and it shall burn and devour his thorns and his briers in one day;

Is one really about the number of days?  1-2-3-4-...
Or is it a prediction that on a certain unmentioned date some event will (start to) take place?

as ya probabaly know ww ..thorns and Briers are used often as metaphor for""""""SIN"""...and I now of only ONE covering for then Bro.

Isa 10:17 And the light of Israel shall be for a fire, and his Holy One for a flame: and it shall burn and devour his thorns and his briers in one day;
Isa 29:18 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.

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Re: Punishment/correction lasts 1 day?
« Reply #30 on: November 08, 2008, 03:56:28 PM »
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The word day becomes useless if it has so many meanings.
If we take the verse literally a day could mean anything between 12 hours and almost forever.


Jhn 6:63 "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and [they] are life.

OK molly we will go this way..same END :icon_flower:

what day May I ask was This  DAY then MoLLy ..Just another 12 hrs?....lest bear in mind..Christ said NOTHING lest it be in Parables...

Jhn 11:9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.

Who be the ""LIGHT"""OF THE world Molly?

Jhn 8:12 Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, "I am the light of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life." .

Those who walk In the """"""""DAY""""""""""also walk IN the """LIGHT"""""""""" and THOSE who walk in the Light are these Molly.

Mat 5:14 "You are the light of the world. A city that is set on a hill cannot be hidden.

Again MOLLY...as the scrips testify one to another...Christ is THIS DAY, THIS LIGHT....The DAY of Salvation, which is the same DAY Given BY The Father to the SON, IN WHICH """""""""""""all """"" men will be judged.

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Yes, Christ is the day, the Light, the bright and morning star,  by which all men will be judged.

John 3:19
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.



But--


Proverbs 8:34
Blessed is the man that heareth me, watching daily at my gates, waiting at the posts of my doors.




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Re: Punishment/correction lasts 1 day?
« Reply #31 on: November 08, 2008, 04:02:46 PM »
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Yes, Christ is the day, the Light, by which all men will be judged.

why Thank you for a second witness Molly.. :icon_flower:

ya hear that WW..

Punishment/correction lasts 1 day?......AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Theres No buts  MOLLY.....NO BUTS AT ALL.


start another thread with ya But if ya wish :icon_flower:

Blessings sis :icon_flower:
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Isa 29:18 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.

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Re: Punishment/correction lasts 1 day?
« Reply #32 on: November 08, 2008, 04:08:07 PM »
well, there is a but--it is the warning that SOTW speaks of--

God is longsuffering and puts up with alot from us, but when he shuts the door, it is shut--


1The promise to enter the place of rest is still good, and we must take care that none of you miss out. 2We have heard the message, just as they did. But they failed to believe what they heard, and the message did not do them any good. 3Only people who have faith will enter the place of rest. It is just as the Scriptures say,

   "God became angry

   and told the people,

   `You will never enter

   my place of rest!' "



--Heb 4



Therefore, Choose life.
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Re: Punishment/correction lasts 1 day?
« Reply #33 on: November 08, 2008, 04:10:41 PM »
well, there is a but--it is the warning that SOTW speaks of--

God is longsuffering and puts up with alot from us, but when he shuts the door, it is shut--


1The promise to enter the place of rest is still good, and we must take care that none of you miss out. 2We have heard the message, just as they did. But they failed to believe what they heard, and the message did not do them any good. 3Only people who have faith will enter the place of rest. It is just as the Scriptures say,

   "God became angry

   and told the people,

   `You will never enter

   my place of rest!' "



--Heb 4





Ive not read Craigs thoughts ....

IRRESPECTIVE....all MEN will be Judged in one day...that Day BEING CHRIST

« Last Edit: November 08, 2008, 04:13:41 PM by Taffy »
Isa 29:18 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.

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Re: Punishment/correction lasts 1 day?
« Reply #34 on: November 08, 2008, 04:18:53 PM »
1"At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. 2Five of them were foolish and five were wise. 3The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them. 4The wise, however, took oil in jars along with their lamps. 5The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they all became drowsy and fell asleep.

 6"At midnight the cry rang out: 'Here's the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!'

 7"Then all the virgins woke up and trimmed their lamps. 8The foolish ones said to the wise, 'Give us some of your oil; our lamps are going out.'

 9" 'No,' they replied, 'there may not be enough for both us and you. Instead, go to those who sell oil and buy some for yourselves.'

 10"But while they were on their way to buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut.

 11"Later the others also came. 'Sir! Sir!' they said. 'Open the door for us!'

 12"But he replied, 'I tell you the truth, I don't know you.'

 13"Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour.

--Mat 25



5My soul shall be satisfied as with marrow and fatness; and my mouth shall praise thee with joyful lips:

 6When I remember thee upon my bed, and meditate on thee in the night watches.

 7Because thou hast been my help, therefore in the shadow of thy wings will I rejoice.


--Psa 63


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Re: Punishment/correction lasts 1 day?
« Reply #35 on: November 08, 2008, 04:29:42 PM »
1"At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. 2Five of them were foolish and five were wise. 3The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them. 4The wise, however, took oil in jars along with their lamps. 5The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they all became drowsy and fell asleep.

 6"At midnight the cry rang out: 'Here's the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!'

 7"Then all the virgins woke up and trimmed their lamps. 8The foolish ones said to the wise, 'Give us some of your oil; our lamps are going out.'

 9" 'No,' they replied, 'there may not be enough for both us and you. Instead, go to those who sell oil and buy some for yourselves.'

 10"But while they were on their way to buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut.

 11"Later the others also came. 'Sir! Sir!' they said. 'Open the door for us!'

 12"But he replied, 'I tell you the truth, I don't know you.'

 13"Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour.

--Mat 25



5My soul shall be satisfied as with marrow and fatness; and my mouth shall praise thee with joyful lips:

 6When I remember thee upon my bed, and meditate on thee in the night watches.

 7Because thou hast been my help, therefore in the shadow of thy wings will I rejoice.


--Psa 63


Sorry Molly..I did edit my last post not to detract from WWW Thread...

Theres ONLY one way through the DOOR molly.....TIS OIL....and who do you think that OIL is?

notice how they were ALL asleep in DARKNESS....?

Speaks of the Goats and Sheep Molly,  the goats  are Likened for mine to the very Donkey Christ rode into Jerusalem...The sheep enter by the gate....

therefore the DOOR is shut for such goats , theives, menstealers, Flesh, those who dwell in the OLD C, those in Darkness but remain,etc..





Isa 29:18 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.

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Re: Punishment/correction lasts 1 day?
« Reply #36 on: November 08, 2008, 06:42:02 PM »
Ladies and gentlemen,

Glad this turned out another heated/hellish discussion; but please also try to focus a little on the "1 day" part.
ww the answer  to the title of this thread for mine is YES...

As
Christ IS this DAY.... :icon_flower:



Taffy,
I took your quote but it's also about several posts that followed.
Most/all seem to agree it lasts one day (of Christ)
But I see, or at least I think I see, different opinions on the exact duration of that day.
Now please use 'normal time' as we have it on our human clock. So no Einsteins relativity theory and that that kind of stuff.
It's only drawing away from the real point. When I speak about hell I'm not atlking about the BBQ. Not about satan with a pitchfork. Just a name for something I have no clue about how it looks/feels/smells/tastes/sound...

I read for example everything past, present, future of the universe we know is 'the day of the Lord'
I can accept that. That would mean that day has lasted 6000 years (YEC) or 14.7 billion years (science) until now. Plus an unknow duration will be added. (ages get fulfilled and uncreated). To avoid a fight over old and young earth I'll call it a very long time.
Others seem to say that one day will be of short duration. 12 hours.
I see also people hinting there is no 'hell' in afterlife and that hell is now. That would mean 'the day' lasts a lifetime. Around 70-90 years in most cases.

Before reading the verse one could think hell last forever. Or 5 billion years. Or perhaps just 1 seconds.
After reading the verse it looks like the answer is found. It's 1 day.
Then the interpretations follow and we're back a where we started. Somewhere between a day and the age of the universe.
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: Punishment/correction lasts 1 day?
« Reply #37 on: November 08, 2008, 06:50:33 PM »
Ladies and gentlemen,

Glad this turned out another heated/hellish discussion; but please also try to focus a little on the "1 day" part.
ww the answer  to the title of this thread for mine is YES...

As
Christ IS this DAY.... :icon_flower:



Taffy,
I took your quote but it's also about several posts that followed.
Most/all seem to agree it lasts one day (of Christ)
But I see, or at least I think I see, different opinions on the exact duration of that day.
Now please use 'normal time' as we have it on our human clock. So no Einsteins relativity theory and that that kind of stuff.
It's only drawing away from the real point. When I speak about hell I'm not atlking about the BBQ. Not about satan with a pitchfork. Just a name for something I have no clue about how it looks/feels/smells/tastes/sound...

I read for example everything past, present, future of the universe we know is 'the day of the Lord'
I can accept that. That would mean that day has lasted 6000 years (YEC) or 14.7 billion years (science) until now. Plus an unknow duration will be added. (ages get fulfilled and uncreated). To avoid a fight over old and young earth I'll call it a very long time.
Others seem to say that one day will be of short duration. 12 hours.
I see also people hinting there is no 'hell' in afterlife and that hell is now. That would mean 'the day' lasts a lifetime. Around 70-90 years in most cases.

Before reading the verse one could think hell last forever. Or 5 billion years. Or perhaps just 1 seconds.
After reading the verse it looks like the answer is found. It's 1 day.
Then the interpretations follow and we're back a where we started. Somewhere between a day and the age of the universe.


Rom 9:28  For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth.

Rom 9:28 
    For the Lord will carry out his sentence upon the earth
       quickly and with finality."[12]




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Re: Punishment/correction lasts 1 day?
« Reply #38 on: November 08, 2008, 06:52:28 PM »
Mat 24:22  And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.


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Re: Punishment/correction lasts 1 day?
« Reply #39 on: November 08, 2008, 06:55:56 PM »
literally,

The Jewish War began in 66 AD and culminated in the destruction of Jerusalem in 70.

http://latter-rain.com/ot/jewar.htm


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Re: Punishment/correction lasts 1 day?
« Reply #40 on: November 08, 2008, 07:40:23 PM »
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Theres ONLY one way through the DOOR molly.....TIS OIL....and who do you think that OIL is?

The anointing of the Holy Spirit.


10And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:
 11And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.


--Mark 1




And he stood up to read. 17 The scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written:
 18"The Spirit of the Lord is on me,
      because he has anointed me
      to preach good news to the poor.
   He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners
      and recovery of sight for the blind,
   to release the oppressed,
    19to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor."

--Luke 4




7Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,

 8I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.


--Psalm 40

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Re: Punishment/correction lasts 1 day?
« Reply #41 on: November 08, 2008, 08:30:01 PM »
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Craig: I listed 2 verses of the about 30 I have where God is represented as a fire. Perhaps all taken out of context but still I see God being mentioned/linked to fire in all those verses. Many of them seem to point to a 'cleaning activity'. Cleaning that might be unpleasant but will turn out in the most positive way. Aren't those warnings the 'dead end' warning signs of your example?
And if you ignore them you will crash aka end up in "hell"? And there being salted with fire because they refused during life?

I simply try to say if everything is love, happiness, fuzzy feelings, etc, etc why are there any warnings in the Bible?
All taken out of context too?

Hello WW, I had a big explaination for you but my computer crashed. It is always like this, everytime I have a large post that has many points, my computer crashes or my web browser crashes. I lie to you not, this is the only times I have computer problems!

Any ways, the Gospel is not fuzzy feelings. Joy, love, and peace, although evoking emotion, are not based out of fuzzy feelings. A man who lives by his emotions, a man who listens to a fuzzy feeling gospel, is a man who is self-centered.

Not all fire is God. Read Isaiah 33 and James 3. Some fire is mankind himself, through his own spirit and tongue he ignites the continual hay and straw that he continually births and therefore has the course of his life in continual burning, set ablaze. Not all fire serves the same purpose. Fire used for: Light, cleansing, and let us not destruction.

A man who refuses to be cleansed through the salting fire, will be set ablaze by their own fire until there is nothing left. The measure of such a man, is the man Jesus speaks of who has had his Talent taken from him and thrown into outer darkness.

There is reason why warnings are given, we can either enter the Kingdom of God through the narrow gate which leads to life, or we can enter the Kigndom of God through the wide gate that leads to destruction. We can either reign with Him for 1000 years, or remain dead until the 1000 years is complete. We can have access to the innercourts, or live in the outercourts. Just because hell is not perptual does not mean there is no negative to living an unrepentant sinful life refusing to submit to God to change you.


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Re: Punishment/correction lasts 1 day?
« Reply #42 on: November 08, 2008, 09:02:55 PM »
Rom 9:28  For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth.

Rom 9:28 
    For the Lord will carry out his sentence upon the earth
       quickly and with finality."[12]

Indeed, short doesn't sound like a billion years.
It sounds like an hour. Or a day.
But then there are verses that state a 1000 years is like 1 day for me (God)
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: Punishment/correction lasts 1 day?
« Reply #43 on: November 08, 2008, 09:17:24 PM »
Hello WW, I had a big explaination for you but my computer crashed. It is always like this, everytime I have a large post that has many points, my computer crashes or my web browser crashes. I lie to you not, this is the only times I have computer problems!
Maybe that's a sign to shut up Craig!  :laughing7:
Just a joke Craig!
I mostly type my stuff in my email client because it spell-checks. It also autosaves. The autosave could be an option for you too...?




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Not all fire is God. Read Isaiah 33 and James 3. Some fire is mankind himself, through his own spirit and tongue he ignites the continual hay and straw that he continually births and therefore has the course of his life in continual burning, set ablaze. Not all fire serves the same purpose. Fire used for: Light, cleansing, and let us not destruction.
I can fully agree with that. But when speaking about fire that I think are pointing to God I see things a little different.
The fire of man might be destructive/bad/etc.
The fire of God indeed can be love. But also pain/correction. But with the aim to, as I call it, make someone ready for Heaven.
So yes I see different kinds of fire in the Bible and even different kind in God. But those in/of God work toward a positive goal.
How? I absolutely have no idea!

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A man who refuses to be cleansed through the salting fire, will be set ablaze by their own fire until there is nothing left. The measure of such a man, is the man Jesus speaks of who has had his Talent taken from him and thrown into outer darkness.

I would like a little more explanation on this. If possible without verses.


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There is reason why warnings are given, we can either enter the Kingdom of God through the narrow gate which leads to life, or we can enter the Kigndom of God through the wide gate that leads to destruction. We can either reign with Him for 1000 years, or remain dead until the 1000 years is complete. We can have access to the inner courts, or live in the outercourts. Just because hell is not perptual does not mean there is no negative to living an unrepentant sinful life refusing to submit to God to change you.
I think I can agree on that too.
But an additional question.
Can someone in the afterlife work himself from the outer to the inner courts?
Being 1000 years alive or dead doesn't mean much to me. Even if I would be dead for eternity. The dead know nothing. So I'm not aware I'm missing out on something.



1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: Punishment/correction lasts 1 day?
« Reply #44 on: November 08, 2008, 09:22:14 PM »
Any ways, the Gospel is not fuzzy feelings. Joy, love, and peace, although evoking emotion, are not based out of fuzzy feelings. A man who lives by his emotions, a man who listens to a fuzzy feeling gospel, is a man who is self-centered.



I agree.  Violation of God's laws results in a self judgment of "no good".  The reaction to this is to set out on a mission to avoid like "hell" being our self imposed judgment and we then attach to events that make us feel good.    

We seek to avoid any experience that reinforces our "no good judgment".  This requires tremendous effort, and puts layers of "fig leaves" upon us.  When something "good" happens or we do something "good", (something that makes us "feel OK") we attach to that and develop a false illusion of peace and joy.  Our identity becomes entangled in our "works".  IMO, dirty rags of self righteousness.  

True joy and peace; that which "passes understanding" imo; comes from embracing the "good/evil" in us, the positive and the negative emotions;  Coming before our Father humbled and naked.

From this point, we REST.  We rest from our heavy laden burden.

Mat 11:28  Come unto me, all ye that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

When we understand we are God defined; LOVE, JOY and PEACE flow from within outward.

Joh 7:38  He that believeth on me, as the Scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.



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Re: Punishment/correction lasts 1 day?
« Reply #45 on: November 08, 2008, 09:33:15 PM »
Rom 9:28  For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth.

Rom 9:28 
    For the Lord will carry out his sentence upon the earth
       quickly and with finality."[12]

Indeed, short doesn't sound like a billion years.
It sounds like an hour. Or a day.
But then there are verses that state a 1000 years is like 1 day for me (God)

Dont let throw ya Bud...

You may find , An HOUR, A DAY , A Month, A season , Times ......mean appointed TIMES.....


Dan 2:21 And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:

Act 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power , That POWER WW ,again IS CHRIST.

Again, Judgment comes in "THE DAY"(Christ), IN an Hour , of an Appointed time.

1Th 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.


 1Th 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

Luk 12:40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.


Jhn 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.


Getting the picture some Bud


Rev 9:15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men


Rev 18:19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

A 1000yrs are LIKENED to a DAY, and that DAY is Christ....

ya cant read Scripture entirely like ya read Dickens.... :icon_flower:
Isa 29:18 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.

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Re: Punishment/correction lasts 1 day?
« Reply #46 on: November 08, 2008, 10:47:14 PM »
 good thoughts  Bro G !  :HeartThrob:
  yes the Day / the Lord  is at hand ..  in power  :winkgrin:
Jesus is the reward  !!

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Re: Punishment/correction lasts 1 day?
« Reply #47 on: November 08, 2008, 10:52:07 PM »
willieH: Hi Craig... :hithere:

You seem to wish to debate me again... well... you shall have an answer to your wish...  :shakepoint:

Warnings, and consequences of ignoring warnings is not 'FEAR' doctrine, they are INDEED out of LOVE because LOVE ALWAYS PROTECTS! Warnings do not come out of "FEAR", they come out of wisdom and protection concerning the things that do harm us, or the actions that will end with undesirable consequence.

If HELL is FEARFUL (which proposition is the very MEAT or essence of its "WARNING"), and it is proposed by LOVE which states its PERFECT state as WITHOUT FEAR (1 John 4:18), ...it is thereby found to be a contradiction in terms no matter how you might endeavor to garnish it with PROTECTIVE "WARNINGS"...

This is no more than a distractive and (supposedly deserved) PUNITIVE teaching which ALSO goes against the COINCIDING instructions to FORGIVE enemies...  BLESS them that curse you... and continues to remain in the realm which was prior to those teachings...  It is preaching that GOD, by His decisions have either DRAWN or NOT DRAWN men to Himself, and then BLAMING them for not being DRAWN, and PUNISHING them accordingly...  What NONSENSE!  :thumbdown:

It is CONTRARY that GOD should BLAME men, whom He DID not choose to HEAR, ...for NOT HEARING...   :mshock: 

GOD is doing this very process (during which MEN are helpless to name themselves as HEARERS or NOT HEARERS) ...to show OPPOSITIONS to GRACE and LOVE... You blindly see what your ego desires instead of what SPIRITUAL teaching is actually within the WORDS of GOD...

To teach that future or "afterlife" PUNISHMENT is the destiny for ANYONE, beyond this life, is CONTRARY to the SPIRITUAL understandings of what THIS LIFE is all about presenting!  ...believe and PROMOTE what you will... you will either find SHAME or REWARD for it...  :dontknow:  Seeya at the end...  :Chinscratch:

I prefer to TEACH of the complete VICTORY of LOVE which is WITHOUT regard to CLAY, one lump or another...  :happygrin:

You prefer to WARN of LOVE's impending ANGER... which is DUE those not given to HEAR... by Him that "GAVE OUT" the "ears"...  :rolleye:

If you believe that warnings are out of fear, then that thought is out YOUR insecurity and YOUR denial that there are actually dangers in our life that we have been warned against. If this is you, it is you who is UNABLE in distinguish between reality and your belief system, fact versus imagination, truth versus denial.

 :Yeahright:  Backatcha sotw...  CHRIST was not warning of PHYSICAL PUNISHMENT to come, and I believe YOU are the one, OFTEN in DENIAL...

We all reap what we sow, there is a warning of the consequence and if it is not heeded, you WILL experience it in full force not experiencing any salvation from it.


PHYSICAL for physical, SPIRITUAL for SPIRITUAL...  :dontknow:

CHRIST is a SPIRITUAL clothing that benevolently masks deeds from SHAME, not a fire retardant suit.

Though you endure such consequence but such consequence is not infinite in duration and will end and that end is the salvation for one who endures such consequence, a salvation assured by our Lord Jesus Christ.

Again... you try to TIE God to TIME... by giving His administration "DURATIONS" of it to further bind men beyond the grave... missing the points made in the SPIRIT...

Then there are people who adhere to the warning and are saved such consequence because they never experience it, their salvation was found in their obedience. Like you, they will be with the Lord in the end, though unlike you instead of experiencing that consequence you must endure, they reigned with Him for a time working with the Lord to deliver you from your ignorance and disobedience.

JESUS did NOT say:   Go WARN everyone about HELL... and BTW, tell them I died for the SINS that THEY will have to PAY FOR if they don't hear your WARNING... :rolleye:

NOTE TO EVERYONE:

1 Timothy 5:20
Those who sin are to be rebuked publicly, so that the others may take warning.

Warning of what? The warning that those who continue to sin, will be broken off just from the blessings of God.

NOTE TO EVERYONE:

This is just an ADDITION which is made and assumed (to fit this ones belief), to the writing of PAUL that IS NOT STATED THERE... these words are according to sotw...

GOD causes the RAIN to fall on the JUST ...AND... the UNJUST... and the "JUST" are just, the "UNJUST" which have been GIVEN the ears to HEAR what JUSTICE actually IS... GRACE is the JUSTICE of GOD... (Rom 5:18-20) ...GRACE gives EARS to Hear its JUSTICE...

1 Corinthians 6:9
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived....

Again missing the point... the KINGDOM of GOD is NOW... the "wicked" do not partake of it HERE and NOW...

Ephesians 5:5
For this you know with certainty, that no immoral or impure person or covetous man, who is an idolater, has an inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.


 :director:  ditto to what I just mentioned above to the prior listed verse...

If anyone teaches you to ignore warnings, do not listen! Warnings are not to cause fear they are statements of the fact there is danger to those who don't listen to them. You must run from those who teach you to ignore warnings, because it is their conscience has been seared and they have lost their sense unable to distinguish between good and evil. The blind leading the blind and they will not only fall but bring many down with them.

CHRIST instructed to make DISCIPLES of men to His Apostles... He gave no instructions to WARN of "HELL", in ANY DURATION or ANY FORM...

Hell is not a perpetual torture pit, nor is it inflicted by God. It is self-induced and birthed through the man who continues to live in disobedience.


 :Yeahright:  This is but a statement which is DEVOID of FAITH, ...and only serves to display MAN, DICTATING to GOD -- that MAN has "birthed" his own torment, apart FROM and OVER His POWER to give men to avoid it... :mnah:

"IT" does not exist... "IT" is the perpetuation of the evil mindset of MAN which fails to KNOW what LOVE is, nor HOW it works... and what LOVE's PURPOSE is in this realm...

LOVE appears within the HEARTS that IT chooses to APPEAR... and is the EXAMPLE which shall be presented in RESURRECTION to all those that were NOT CHOSEN... to their BOWING of KNEE, and CONFESSING of TONGUE... NOT to BLAST them in some "afterlife furnace"...

It is the FIRE of TRUTH which exposes the deeds of MEN to ITSELF... and, just as happened with YOU when you realized your SINFULNESS sotw... they TEARFULLY drop to the knee, and confess the TRUTH of their LORD to the GLORY of HIS LOVE!



Even if there is no 'hell', there most certainly is the knowledge and understanding that you missed out and did not inherit the kingdom of God due to your disobedience.


 :laugh:  The swami has spoken...  You think to have knowledge which OFTEN  overestimates itself...

This part, can be called hell, is most definitely not a desired outcome. Though your salvation is to experience the Kingdom of God, you experience it as one with no inheritance in the outer courts of the Kingdom of heaven never able to enter into the inner courts and the Holy of Holies where those who have kept themselves clean may enter.

Where is your beloved FIRE?

You know NOTHING of my experience... and SHALL NOT... I have been down a road you have YET to travel... Teach HELL if you wish... you will find out in the end, your SHAME for doing so...

It is still an amazement to me how the revelation of Universal Redemption has brought an ignorance to the things which are without question have have severe warnings to stay away from. It is a befuddlement how the message of Universal Salvation has brought the stupid into people to forget everything that they were taught previously throwing the baby out with the bathwater. For those ignorant and stupid people, I pray that their eyes may be opened to the evil that they have exposed themselves to and have snared other to follow and repent and renew their clean their minds and accept a new heart.

Craig

Let me IGNORE the CONDESCENDING WORDS above, which fall into the meaninglessness from which they emerged, and address the WARNING portion...

The GOSPEL is NOT a WARNING... ADAM & EVE were NOT WARNED, neither were any WARNED of HELL in the Old TESTAMENT...

JESUS did not come to bring NEW TEACHING, He came to REVEAL and FULFILL what the OLD TESTAMENT had noted SPIRITUALLY within its given PHYSICAL premises...

Even the "warnings" done of FLOOD of NOAH was not about ALL but 8 "HEARING" and LIVING... it was about that those who DO NOT HEAR (NOT given EARS to HEAR), will continue in IGNORANCE and DIE in the SIN in which they are IMMERSED... and that ONLY the "ARK" of GOD's LOVE (CHRIST) can SAVE ANY MAN, from the FLOOD of SIN which proposes to take their LIVES FROM THEM...

Or the SMEARING of the BLOOD of the Lamb over the doorstep of their HEARTS, shall cause DEATH to pass by and be INEFFECTIVE in its endeavor!

You are more than welcome to promote HELL Craig... ga-head!  But you (and all your ET buddies) shall find and FACE the sorrowful SHAME for doing so...

It is NOT, and NEVER WAS, nor ever WILL BE, a part of LOVE... no matter how YOU might try to deduce it...  :teaching:  ...and then, subsequently PROMOTE it...  :sigh:

It is NOT in LINE with SIN "taken away"... or "not IMPUTED"... believe what you will...  :dontknow:

peacE...
willieH    :angel5:

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Re: Punishment/correction lasts 1 day?
« Reply #48 on: November 08, 2008, 10:53:44 PM »
Dont let throw ya Bud...

You may find , An HOUR, A DAY , A Month, A season , Times ......mean appointed TIMES.....

Dan 2:21 And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:
That was clear to me. The mentioned times vary a lot in duration.

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Act 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power , That POWER WW ,again IS CHRIST.
Seems to work out as intended. I have no clue about time. Besides when it's time for a drink. And that's always now  :laughing7:

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Again, Judgment comes in "THE DAY"(Christ), IN an Hour , of an Appointed time.

1Th 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
 1Th 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
Luk 12:40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.
Jhn 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

Aren't those verses just saying we do not know when that time 'starts'?
And tell nothing about the duration?





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Rev 9:15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men
Rev 18:19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

So 'the city' is destroyed within an hour but the angels continue to kill for another 13 months.
Is the city really some city or something spiritual?



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ya cant read Scripture entirely like ya read Dickens....
Feels a bit like Manuel studying an English Bible  :laughing7:
(in the dark)
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: Punishment/correction lasts 1 day?
« Reply #49 on: November 09, 2008, 12:00:56 AM »
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Feels a bit like Manuel studying an English Bible 

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