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Re: Let there be light
« Reply #25 on: November 15, 2009, 05:07:45 PM »
 :cloud9: I'm talking about God pouring Himself into the creation, not spiritual darkness (although He created the waster to destroy), WW. God "died" in this sense, because He was lowered into the formation of the creation. Which is why it says Christ (who is SPIRIT) made everything that was made, and why it says "let everything that have breath, praise the Lord." Breath is His Spirit, and EVERYTHING below the firmament/heaven has this breath at it's core.  

God cannot be made, because He already IS. He made it, thru the lowering of Himself. Why do you think the CREATION is groaning and travailing waiting for the glorious liberty of the Sons of God?

If you notice in Gen 1 He started with waters that were first ONE, then separated the waters FROM the waters, putting some under the firmament/heaven (creation) and some above the firmament/heaven (God's Kingdom).

And those that were lowered = we were lowered into this bondage of corruption, not willingly but subjected the same in hope, Christ in you, the hope of glory. Christ was lowered WITH US. Blessings....
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Re: Let there be light
« Reply #26 on: November 15, 2009, 05:09:12 PM »
yeah, it is.   :laughing7:  If they would have the graciousness to start all their papers with, 'We are just making wild guesses.  This is my best wild guess.."--I might have more respect for them.

No, they're not.  The distribution of celestial objects, and the observation that galaxies in their relative infancies look different than galaxies today (the light we receive from far away galaxies enables us to view them as they were a long time ago) is strong evidence that galaxies formed and have progressed as scientists have described.  The redshifting of large celestial objects indicates that all matter in the universe is expanding away from each other, which in turn would imply that it at one point in the past was closer together.  The predominance of light elements such as hydrogen and helium is evidence in favor of the idea that atoms began to form from subatomic particles.  The existence of cosmic microwave background radiation - that is, the existence of temperatures above absolute zero at all points in the universe - is evidence in favor of the idea that the universe was at one point much hotter than it is right now.

Like I said, you are free to find fault with the asserted connections between the evidence presented and the conclusions that are presented that they say may be drawn from them - although, again, I would encourage you to earnestly study and understand the reasons why the link between their conclusions and the evidence is made - but scientists are still very much progressing from observations to conclusions; they're not simply sitting around and making things up out of nothing.

Outside this forum I wouldn't even wasted one second of time on a question like that. I would simply agree with you.
I might be looking for trouble but I sorta learned that even the most insignificant of words or a little comma can make huge differences in understanding a verse.
If I kill you right now or let you die of old age doesn't make a different. The result is you are dead... :winkgrin:
That's sounds like another joke but it has a real difference in it.
Plus my point was not if the lamp is lit in darkness or a lit lamp is carried into darkness.
It's more that I read the already lit lamp was carried away from here/earth and so leaving darkness behind. :dontknow:

Just so we're on the same page, what verse says that the already lit lamp was carried away from Earth?  I'm not sure I understand what you're referring to at this point.

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Re: Let there be light
« Reply #27 on: November 15, 2009, 05:15:49 PM »
Just so we're on the same page, what verse says that the already lit lamp was carried away from Earth?  I'm not sure I understand what you're referring to at this point.
2 Corinthians 4:6  For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness....
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Re: Let there be light
« Reply #28 on: November 15, 2009, 05:20:39 PM »
 :cloud9: And He does the same thing whenever one of us has turned to Christ, the light of all men that come into the world, ie. He commands the light to shine out of our darkness. He is just repeating Gen. 1 over and over and over again, in a multitude of applications. Blessings....
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Re: Let there be light
« Reply #29 on: November 15, 2009, 06:23:17 PM »
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..but scientists are still very much progressing from observations to conclusions; they're not simply sitting around and making things up out of nothing.

I'm a big fan of hard science and technology, but the theoretical scientists, like the ones who who most recently brought us the global warming debacle, can go pound sand.  I'm sick of the way they postulate something and expect us all to believe it like they are God.  They're not.  Neither would any of them be able to tell us, if push came to shove, how the universe came into being.  It's just a guess based on a guess.  They are like a termite looking at an elephant who convince themselves they are bigger than the elephant because they can feel the dirt on the bottom of his big toe.
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Re: Let there be light
« Reply #30 on: November 17, 2009, 06:47:46 PM »
Heb 11:3  By faith we understand that the worlds were prepared by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things which are visible.

2Co 4:17-18  For momentary, light affliction is producing for us an eternal weight of glory far beyond all comparison, while we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen; for the things which are seen are temporal, but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Rom 1:20  For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.

Gen 1:1-3  In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters.  Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light.

    God separates light and darkness by the Word. He creates by speaking.

Joh 1:3-5  All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness could not overcome it.

2Co 4:3-6  And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.  For we do not preach ourselves but Christ Jesus as Lord, and ourselves as your bond-servants for Jesus' sake. For God, who said, "Light shall shine out of darkness," is the One who has shone in our hearts to give the Light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ.

 I think whatever God speaks, He speaks to teach us, not so much what He did(visible, temporal), but how and why He does what He does(invisible,eternal)("these things were written for our example"). The things we see are reflections/shadows of the invisible substance of His eternal power and divine nature.

   Confusion (tohu and bohu, formless and void) is the state of the carnal/natural/unenlightened human. But there is hope  :Sparkletooth:, because the Spirit hovers upon the surface of the waters  (2Pe 3:9  The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.) He will speak, "Let there be light", and light will shine out of the unknown(invisible/darkness) to "make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery". The separation of the light (what you see) from the darkness (what you don't see) making visible hidden things is revelation, the pathway to substance/reality/manifestation. "I will speak to them in parables, I will utter things hidden from the foundation of the world". Darkness isn't always symbolic of sin/evil, sometimes it is symbolic of the deep, the unknown, the mystery. He comes in "clouds and thick darkness".
   
     Eph 5:13-14  But all things become visible when they are exposed by the light, for everything that becomes visible is light. For this reason it says, "Awake, sleeper, And arise from the dead(carnality/confusion), And Christ will shine on you."

Eph 3:8-9  To me, the very least of all saints, this grace was given, to preach to the Gentiles the unfathomable riches of Christ, and to bring to light what is the administration of the mystery which for ages has been hidden in God who created all things;

Eph 1:15-23  For this reason I too, having heard of the faith in the Lord Jesus which exists among you and your love for all the saints.......  that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of Him. I pray that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened, so that you will know(experientially, not theoretically) what is the hope of His calling, what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints, and what is the surpassing greatness of His power toward us who believe.

 Revelation provides dry land, obedience sows the seed, commending ourselves before men by "the manifestation of truth" creates fruitfulness/multiplication. What we "know" is nothing if we do not "manifest" the divine nature. We have these great and precious promises that by them we might become partakers of the divine nature.

Jas 3:14-18  But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, do not be arrogant and lie against the truth.  This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.  For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work. But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.  And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.

Before He speaks and separates the waters from the waters there is "confusion and every evil work" as we walk in the wisdom that is "earthly, sensual, demonic". Carnal believers, babies, are unable to understand the purposes of God, hostile towards them, considering them foolishness. "The wisdom from above is first pure then peaceable then easily entreated then full of mercy and good fruit, and the seed whose fruit is righteousness is sown in peace by them that make peace."
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