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ded2daworld:
When I first discovered the REAL good news (UR) I was overwhelmed.
When I started talking about it with others, I was a little shocked.
I can see they believed ET because that's all they've heard all their life but,
once you've heard the really good news that NO ONE will be tortured for all
eternity it's like answered prayer - all the people they've prayed for all their lives will be reconciled to God.
God says in his word that all the people you've prayed for will one day
"come to Jesus" bow their knee to him and declare with their mouth that Jesus is Lord.
That's fantastic news - your prayers will be answered.
So what's the problem? Twofold. 1.) God isn't saving people the way the ET person thinks he should
and He's doing it on his timetable. and 2.)The ET person must believe that some people are so bad
that they actually deserve ET. After all, their pastor/preacher/priest has told them that we ALL deserve eternal torture but, for the grace of God and us, of our own free will "accepting Jesus,"Then a few of us will get eternal bliss being blessed.
They even tell the lie that "God doesn't send you to hell, you send yourself there by refusing to believe in Jesus."
Saving 5%?? The ETer's think that's the best that an omnipotent, omniscient, God can do? Gimmee a break

God has a plan that he implemented before the foundation of the world. Some are going to be "saved" while they are still living and will give an account of themselves after death, and some will be "saved" after death where they will give an account and be shown the whole truth, cleansed and purified by our God who is a "consuming fire"
Why would people turn their back on the Good News? Do they think it's TOO good so it must not be true, or do they just hate the thought of some really bad people escaping eternal torment?

shawn:
Because Christianity has become much about believing certain things in order to gain entrance into heaven.  Believing heresy such as UR not only jeopardizes that but would also make them outcasts.  Also, many read their Bibles see eternal....hell...etc and think its open and shut.  Few are willing to research out on their own.  So, in most cases it's fear based.

Then there is a darker sect, people I believe think some people deserve to be tortured for eternity.  It's evil in a church suit.

ded2daworld:
I think so too Shawn. Hitler Saddam Hussein, Pol Pot are usually given as examples of people that should burn eternally.
They don't know what to do with Noriega since he "accepted" Christ, repented and studied his Bible in prison before his death. Same with Jeffrey Dahmer.

reFORMer:

--- Quote from: ded2daworld on November 15, 2012, 04:56:08 AM ---Why would people turn their back on the Good News? Do they think it's TOO good so it must not be true, or do they just hate the thought of some really bad people escaping eternal torment?

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Beyond  and above the working of the god of this age is the God of Jesus Christ.  All things are worked by Him for His pleasure and purpose.  Even those who have experienced God in the new birth and the baptism of the Holy Spirit are blinded to the evangel, or, "good news" because they are unbelieving.  The Cherubim are still operating sWORDs of fire that turn in every direction to prevent access to the tree of life.

2 Corinthians 43-4 (Concordant Literal Translation)
Now, if our evangel is covered, also, it is covered in those who are perishing,
in whom the god of this eon blinds the apprehensions of the unbelieving so that the illumination of the evangel of the glory of Christ, Who is the Image of the invisible God, does not irradiate them.


2 Corinthians 43-4 (Young's Literal Translation)
. . . and if also our good news is vailed, in those perishing it is vailed, in whom the god of this age did blind the minds of the unbelieving, that there doth not shine forth to them the enlightening of the good news of the glory of the Christ, who is the image of God;


Subsequent to this exposure of the spiritual working of a veil (upon all peoples) which prevents the Glory (in which we are otherwise changed into the Divine Image,) the creation account is called upon as a parallel, the emphasis here being the world within.  It is a re-creation for God to speak in order that our passions and motives, our knowledge also becomes illuminated so we come into the Glory, perceiving the true nature of Jesus who is anointed for us.  We are dependent on God's freely speaking to us; or, darkness is upon the face of our waters and who we are cannot be ascertained.

Salvation, liberation, glorification and all God's work conforming us to the Image of His Son, are done in such a way that it is obviously accomplished by God.  We don't, and indeed can't do these works, not even with the Holy Spirit's help.  It is the Glory of God which He will not share with another.  As long as belief is in ourselves God cannot honor our faith with His light, His speaking.  But consider how it is that right now the treasure is in the physical realm, the dimension our bodies inhabit.  That must be unveiled.  We are going to manifest what God has wrought, the body being liberated by Glory.  The power and radiance of God is exceeding great.

2 Corinthians 43-4 (Young's Literal Translation)
. . . because [it is] God who said, Out of darkness light [is] to shine, who did shine in our hearts, for the enlightening of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.  And we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us;

Molly:
Light behaves as a particle, so that it can behave as a wave.


they would see that Moses' face was shining. Then Moses would put the veil back on until he went in again to speak with the LORD.

--Ex 34:35

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