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Jeff's rant

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lomarah:
Wow reF! Awesome!  :cloud9:

onlytruth:
If everyone goes to be with God...we aren't able to judge anyone.Nonoe can be "better than".Hell is the option, when we can't forgive for some people.

ded2daworld:
What's weird is that we are going to judge the angels...I don't guess the ones that never rebelled but the 1/3 that joined the devil in his rebellion.

reFORMer:

--- Quote from: ded2daworld on November 15, 2012, 07:46:31 PM ---What's weird is that we are going to judge the angels...I don't guess the ones that never rebelled but the 1/3 that joined the devil in his rebellion.

--- End quote ---

What God explains the stars, He says that they are, ". . . for signs, and for seasons, and for days and years, and they have been for luminaries in the expanse of the heavens to give light upon the earth . . . and God giveth them in the expanse of the heavens to give light upon the earth, and to rule over day and over night, and to make a separation between the light and the darkness . . ." (Genesis 114-15, 17-18 Young's Literal Translation)

The first opening of the sun, moon and the stars as "signs" is Joseph's dream where the stars bowed down to his star.  Here the stars are not angels, but the patriarchs (who are  men) that shed the light of the heavens upon the earth.  Yet the traditional interpretation continues, of "stars" as angels, from which is derived the extra-biblical doctrine that a third of the angels fell and went with Satan.  "And seen was another sign in heaven, and lo! a great fiery-red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and on its heads seven diadems.  And its tail is dragging a third of the stars of heaven, and casts them into the earth. . ." Revelation (Unveiling) 123-4, (Concordant Literal Translation)  I'm not convinced that the conjecture is warranted because the quotations used don't say so.  I don't believe it because of no scripture to hang your hat on.

Not just stars, but even concerning the heaven they're in, there's certainly something missed in most peoples' reveries about the place:  ". . . a battle occurred in heaven.  Michael and his messengers battle with the dragon, and the dragon battles, and its messengers." Revelation (Unveiling) 127 (Concordant Literal Translation)  It doesn't sound like anybody can escape the warfare by dying.

To go a little farther, death is not portrayed as so sure a way to "heaven" or, Paradise anyway, as is said in cartoon Christianity.  Not only did Paul go there without dying, on the day of Pentecost Peter says the proof that King David did not ascend into heaven is his tomb was with them even to that day.

ded2daworld:
"No one has ascended into heaven except the son of man that has descended from heaven"

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