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.... in the earth ....
« on: January 23, 2010, 06:04:15 PM »
KJV Colossians 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

YLT Colossians 1:20 and through him to reconcile the all things to himself -- having made peace through the blood of his cross -- through him, whether the things upon the earth, whether the things in the heavens.

The two translations of the same verse represent two groups of translations.
"in" and "on"

When I look up the word "heaven" in Strong I find a list of literal places like: sky, atmosphere, universe.
When I look up the word "earth" I also find literal places like: soil, country, planet.

But earth has deeper meanings. One of the meanings of Adam is (red) earth.
That makes me think of Father the potter. A potter often uses red clay.

I think there is a deeper meaning to the word 'earth'
Jesus was the second Adam. Jesus equals pure, life and holy. And that links Him for me to heaven.
Adam the first Adam was far less pure. The wages of sin is death. Dust to dust etc. Many verses seem to link sin to death. And death to grave, soil. So soil/earth also has the meaning of death and sin. So Adam = sin = death = soil/earth.

Does "earth" in the above quoted verses really speaks about our planet? The soil we walk on and we can touch?
Or can the verses also be translated as: .... things living/died in sin ....
So perhaps the verse is not about a physical place. But about a 'state of mind'
Saints and Sinners.

WW Colossians 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in sin, or things in holiness.

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WW Colossians 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be Sinners or Saints.

Not sure if "in" and "upon" makes a difference because the literal translations like ISA2 translate it as "of the land/earth"

If my thoughts are correct it would be a very strong UR verse.
Just a thought :winkgrin:
« Last Edit: January 23, 2010, 07:09:29 PM by WhiteWings »
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

HartleyDamboiseII

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Re: .... in the earth ....
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2010, 06:13:26 PM »
I would have to agree

Chris

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Re: .... in the earth ....
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2010, 06:40:17 PM »
AMEN!!!  :thumbsup:

I see this all the way to Gen 1:1 when God created "the heavens" and "the earth" .... and not just the heavens and the earth, but "the sea" and even "the sun", "the moon" and "the stars". It all (the whole of creation) testifies to TO HIM and also OF US!

The same is true of the "new heavens" and the "new earth" (no more sea)

And THE THIRD HEAVEN. (no earth/sea... but THE HEAVENS ONLY  :bgdance:)

As we move FROM GLORY TO GLORY.... from bodies terrestrial (earthen/natural, numbered among "the sand which is upon the sea shore) to bodies celestial (heavenly/spiritual, numbered among "the stars of the heavens".... "the angels of the churches").

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Re: .... in the earth ....
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2010, 07:25:26 PM »
 :cloud9: Amen Chris  :thumbsup:
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« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2010, 02:07:24 AM »
Not trying to get into something stupid about what color was Adam 'cause to me that has zero to do with the price of tea in China and might as well get into a fuss about what colors were the very first flowers for all of the good it would do that we don't live back then, and apart from a clear revelation from Him, it's just speculation if there's no very clear Scripture or arrangement of the Scriptures from Holy Spirit in our spirits about the matter.  And He probably wouldn't tell anyone with absolute clarity if there's anything remaining in them that would take that info and make one group of people inherently better than the others in our day.  I personally hope absolutely everybody's wrong and that Adam turns out to have been as green as spinach or aloe.  But just a sidenote on this pottery issue, I was stunned a few weeks ago to discover how much of the pottery of the ancient world was ACTUALLY made out of onyx.  I hadn't thought about onyx in at least 25yrs, when I had a passing fascination both in jewelry and in gemology back then.  The word almost didn't register 'til a television program was showing examples of the ancient pottery from Egypt and quite a few other places.

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Re: .... in the earth ....
« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2010, 09:33:51 AM »
Eden was probably located in the Iraq area (rivers mentioned in Genesis)
So my guess is the color that's similar to people of that area.

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But just a sidenote on this pottery issue, I was stunned a few weeks ago to discover how much of the pottery of the ancient world was ACTUALLY made out of onyx.
So you think Adam was made of Onyx. No more Marvel comics for you Martin  :spank:

Anyway; what's your view on the earth-sin-Col 1:20 connection?
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: .... in the earth ....
« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2010, 09:40:09 PM »
 :cloud9: Interesting Martin. The stones on top of the shoulders of the High Priest were made out of onyx BUT if I remember correctly when I looked into that years ago, there was thought that it was a red agate......interesting because the names/natures of the 12 tribes were engraved on them, to illustrate that He bears the burdens of the weak (into the Holy of Holies) like the 1 sheep lifted upon His shoulders. Blessings....
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