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Re: Isa. 14 and Ezk. 28
« Reply #50 on: January 08, 2013, 03:37:04 AM »
Yes, exactly. There are these foundational principles, major themes and streams running throughout the word. Balak, Jeroboam, Leviathan. These names are united in the spirit they manifest. Simon, Elymas, Diotrophes, Hymenas and Philetus, Jannes and Jambres, Jezebel.

In that day the LORD will punish Leviathan the fleeing serpent, With His fierce and great and mighty sword, Even Leviathan the twisted serpent; And He will kill the dragon who lives in the sea. In that day, "A vineyard of wine, sing of it! "I, the LORD, am its keeper; I water it every moment. So that no one will damage it, I guard it night and day.
(Isa 27:1-3)

And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers, for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ; until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ. As a result, we are no longer to be children, tossed here and there by waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, by craftiness in deceitful scheming; but speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in all aspects into Him who is the head, even Christ, from whom the whole body, being fitted and held together by what every joint supplies, according to the proper working of each individual part, causes the growth of the body for the building up of itself in love.
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Re: Isa. 14 and Ezk. 28
« Reply #51 on: January 08, 2013, 04:09:57 AM »
amen!

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Re: Isa. 14 and Ezk. 28
« Reply #52 on: January 09, 2013, 05:49:22 PM »
Silly me, I am just going to assume that there are no Bible scripture verses that actually identify Isa. 14 and Ezk. 28 to be the adversary and that the lucifer mentioned could be a translation error for the word "howl," since that is how  Isa. 14:12, the only word found is "heh-lehl," eill, which is a form of the Hebrew stem "yah-lahl," ill, meaning howl. Here is Kittel's Hebrew Text for the Hebrew Stem ill—"yah-lahl"—HOWL:
Isa. 14:31   eili   Howl
Jer. 48:20   eilili   Howl
Joel 1:11   eililu   howl
Zech.11:2   eill   howl
Zech.11:2   eililu   howl
Isa. 14:12   eill   Lucifer (??)
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Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

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Re: Isa. 14 and Ezk. 28
« Reply #53 on: January 09, 2013, 06:20:29 PM »
 :URWelcome: :dsunny: :laughing7: :Peace2:
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Re: Isa. 14 and Ezk. 28
« Reply #54 on: January 09, 2013, 11:36:51 PM »
Besides, how in the world did this post shift to free will? :dontknow: :dsunny:

Perhaps the primary resort for applying Arminius' freewill doctrine is in these two passages.  Satan is a good Lucifer gone bad...only it isn't stated anywhere.

What about people born into situations where other people's sins ruin them mentally and emotionally before they have any choice?  There's not much comfort or justice in being told you have to take responsibility for your own sins.  Without knowing God is the Savior of all, specially those that believe, God appears hopelessly unjust and our experience intolerable.  It even seems that way when we do better understand what the God of the Bible is like.  These things are challenging very many people, trapped in sins that are not their own fault.  Much of our lives are not the product of the manipulations of our own wills.
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Re: Isa. 14 and Ezk. 28
« Reply #55 on: January 10, 2013, 12:10:15 AM »
My next door neighbor. Born with Spina bifida she is confined to a wheelchair for life.
Her father was the pastor of a small church and molested her around the age of 7.
He, unbelievably, still thinks he did nothing wrong cuz it was OK for Lot and he figured she'd never have the experience otherwise.
Thank God, he's in Jail and she is now 23 years old and "accepted" christ about 3 years ago. In college, majoring in music.
Was this fair?? Would anyone want to trade places with her? I was in a wheelchair for 3 days and it drove me nuts.
What? oh...you could tell :Chinscratch:
"Why do so many people think that the Bible is only inspired at certain points -  and that  THEY are inspired to pick out which points?"

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Re: Isa. 14 and Ezk. 28
« Reply #56 on: January 10, 2013, 03:36:38 PM »
Well, I certainly satisfied with the answer :dsunny: :HeartThrob: :Peace2:
Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.