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Re: is LIFE in the BLACK and White OR the SPIRIT who GIVES IT~
« Reply #75 on: October 27, 2011, 02:46:44 AM »
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it's regarding the veil, with the thought that the "problem" is in us, not ANY of God's Words to us, however they're given.  An illustration;  Jesus stood amongst the Jews, in person.  The Word made flesh.  Still most had no idea who He was nor benefitted from being in His presence.  Was Jesus "dead"?  Or were they  veiled?

James I so DESIRE the LORD to unveil to all the Garden experience come the figurative and all this would become CLEAR~ :HeartThrob:
Isa 29:18 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.

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Re: is LIFE in the BLACK and White OR the SPIRIT who GIVES IT~
« Reply #76 on: October 27, 2011, 02:49:35 AM »
I hear ya, and it's a good desire.  And one day we will know as we are known.

I was already looking this up before your post, and I'll go ahead and post it.  It's a good reminder for me - always!

14 For the body is not one member, but many. 15 If the foot says, "Because I am not a hand, I am not a part of the body," it is not for this reason any the less a part of the body. 16 And if the ear says, "Because I am not an eye, I am not a part of the body," it is not for this reason any the less a part of the body. 17 If the whole body were an eye, where would the hearing be? If the whole were hearing, where would the sense of smell be? 18 But now God has placed the members, each one of them, in the body, just as He desired. 19 If they were all one member, where would the body be? 20 But now there are many members, but one body. 21 And the eye cannot say to the hand, "I have no need of you"; or again the head to the feet, "I have no need of you." 22 On the contrary, it is much truer that the members of the body which seem to be weaker are necessary; 23 and those members of the body which we deem less honorable, on these we bestow more abundant honor, and our less presentable members become much more presentable, 24 whereas our more presentable members have no need of it. But God has so composed the body, giving more abundant honor to that member which lacked, 25 so that there may be no division in the body, but that the members may have the same care for one another.  I Cor. 12

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Re: is LIFE in the BLACK and White OR the SPIRIT who GIVES IT~
« Reply #77 on: October 27, 2011, 02:51:58 AM »
I hear ya, and it's a good desire.  And one day we will know as we are known.

I was already looking this up before your post, and I'll go ahead and post it.  It's a good reminder for me - always!

14 For the body is not one member, but many. 15 If the foot says, "Because I am not a hand, I am not a part of the body," it is not for this reason any the less a part of the body. 16 And if the ear says, "Because I am not an eye, I am not a part of the body," it is not for this reason any the less a part of the body. 17 If the whole body were an eye, where would the hearing be? If the whole were hearing, where would the sense of smell be? 18 But now God has placed the members, each one of them, in the body, just as He desired. 19 If they were all one member, where would the body be? 20 But now there are many members, but one body. 21 And the eye cannot say to the hand, "I have no need of you"; or again the head to the feet, "I have no need of you." 22 On the contrary, it is much truer that the members of the body which seem to be weaker are necessary; 23 and those members of the body which we deem less honorable, on these we bestow more abundant honor, and our less presentable members become much more presentable, 24 whereas our more presentable members have no need of it. But God has so composed the body, giving more abundant honor to that member which lacked, 25 so that there may be no division in the body, but that the members may have the same care for one another.  I Cor. 12

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Isa 29:18 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.

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Re: is LIFE in the BLACK and White OR the SPIRIT who GIVES IT~
« Reply #78 on: October 27, 2011, 03:25:29 AM »


By the new and living way which he made open for us through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; [Heb 10:20]



"Through the veil (διὰ τοῦ καταπετάσματος)

The veil of the holy of holies is rent. Christ's work does not stop short of the believer's complete access to God himself.

That is to say his flesh (τοῦτ' ἔστιν τῆς σαρκὸς αὐτοῦ)

Const. with veil: the veil which consisted in his flesh. His flesh was the state through which he had to pass before he entered heaven for us. See Hebrews 2:9-18; Hebrews 5:7-9; Hebrews 10:5. When he put off that state, the veil of the temple was rent. He passed through humanity to glory as the forerunner of his people, Hebrews 6:20. "

Wesley's notes

10:20 By a living way - The way of faith, whereby we live indeed. Which he hath consecrated - Prepared, dedicated, and established for us. Through the veil, that is, his flesh - As by rending the veil in the temple, the holy of holies became visible and accessible; so by wounding the body of Christ, the God of heaven was manifested, and the way to heaven opened.

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Re: is LIFE in the BLACK and White OR the SPIRIT who GIVES IT~
« Reply #79 on: October 27, 2011, 03:31:52 AM »
By the new and living way which he made open for us through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; [Heb 10:20]



"Through the veil (διὰ τοῦ καταπετάσματος)

The veil of the holy of holies is rent. Christ's work does not stop short of the believer's complete access to God himself.

That is to say his flesh (τοῦτ' ἔστιν τῆς σαρκὸς αὐτοῦ)

Const. with veil: the veil which consisted in his flesh. His flesh was the state through which he had to pass before he entered heaven for us. See Hebrews 2:9-18; Hebrews 5:7-9; Hebrews 10:5. When he put off that state, the veil of the temple was rent. He passed through humanity to glory as the forerunner of his people, Hebrews 6:20. "

Wesley's notes

10:20 By a living way - The way of faith, whereby we live indeed. Which he hath consecrated - Prepared, dedicated, and established for us. Through the veil, that is, his flesh - As by rending the veil in the temple, the holy of holies became visible and accessible; so by wounding the body of Christ, the God of heaven was manifested, and the way to heaven opened.

- heres another reality## the flesh is the CARNAL mind ~ he became the FLESH for us= the serpent-  , as Chrrist stated~ the FLESH profits Nothing[carnal mind\soul] hence why HE SAYS"WHEN im RAISED from the EARTH~I will DRAG[ DRAG OFF] THE FLESH= CARNAL MIND OF ALL MEN"~ again the pattern is Shown in MATH 23, where The LORD uses Sarcasm# In the GREEK= to TEAR AT= Flesh]

 The LORD HAD HIS FLESH TORN from HIS body which Types the carnal mind Being TORN FROM US= the FLESH PROFITS NOTHING~

Shalom~
Isa 29:18 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.

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Re: is LIFE in the BLACK and White OR the SPIRIT who GIVES IT~
« Reply #80 on: October 27, 2011, 03:34:04 AM »
LETS PUT THIS SIMPLY~ THE FLESH= The carnal Mind is the VEIL~~~~ hence why the FLESH profits NOTHING## and paul SAYS~~You  are SPIRIT not FLESH#
Isa 29:18 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.

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Re: is LIFE in the BLACK and White OR the SPIRIT who GIVES IT~
« Reply #81 on: October 27, 2011, 03:35:10 AM »
now all we need is the LORD to teach us the serpent is not some fictional entity#### and many more things will clear##Shalom#
Isa 29:18 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.

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Re: is LIFE in the BLACK and White OR the SPIRIT who GIVES IT~
« Reply #82 on: October 27, 2011, 03:42:07 AM »
just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her

to make her holy and clean, washed by the cleansing of [God's word.  [Eph 5:25,26]


Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures. [Lk 24:45]

Luke 24:32 They asked each other, "Were not our hearts burning within us while he talked with us on the road and opened the Scriptures to us?"


"opened" [the Scriptures]
G1272
διανοίγω
dianoigō
dee-an-oy'-go
From G1223 and G455; to open thoroughly, literally (as a first born) or figuratively (to expound): - open.



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Re: is LIFE in the BLACK and White OR the SPIRIT who GIVES IT~
« Reply #83 on: October 27, 2011, 03:47:39 AM »
just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her

to make her holy and clean, washed by the cleansing of [God's word.  [Eph 5:25,26]


Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures. [Lk 24:45]

Luke 24:32 They asked each other, "Were not our hearts burning within us while he talked with us on the road and opened the Scriptures to us?"


"opened" [the Scriptures]
G1272
διανοίγω
dianoigō
dee-an-oy'-go
From G1223 and G455; to open thoroughly, literally (as a first born) or figuratively (to expound): - open.
the opening is the raelity ABOVE~ its why the LORD SPOKE FIGURATIVLY IN public## as he is NOT of the death[ serpent\Earthy realm]  we are to Move from The beneath , Hades unto LIFE perceiving twe LIFE hidden often In HIS WORD~ sHALOM#
Isa 29:18 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.

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Re: is LIFE in the BLACK and White OR the SPIRIT who GIVES IT~
« Reply #84 on: October 27, 2011, 03:53:31 AM »
17Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath:

 18That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:

 19Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil;

 20Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

--Heb 6

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« Reply #85 on: October 27, 2011, 03:55:22 AM »
17Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath:

 18That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:

 19Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil;

 20Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

--Heb 6
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Isa 29:18 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.

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« Reply #86 on: October 27, 2011, 08:21:00 AM »
So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. [Rom 10:17]


[1 Thessalonians 2:13] And we also thank God continually because, when you received the word of God, which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men, but as it actually is, the word of God, which is at work in you who believe.
its His Voice[ word] in us We hear# as Nothing is of US# the WORD of men is the wisdom from Beneath~  HE IS THE WORD in us#Amen~

Yes, but, the word of God there is rhema, not logos.

rhema

Rhema (ῥῆμα in Greek) literally means an "utterance" or "thing said" in Greek. It is a word that signifies the action of utterance.

My words....are life.
I think that is so in every form we can think of.
Voice/sound.
Inpiration/Vision.
But also written verses.
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Maybe, but in the context of this scripture it is very specifically referring to the Bible.

They are not hearing any words that are not in our Bible.
Steps 1) hearing the word of God  2) faith
I wasn't meaing anything else. As an example several Bible translations are availble in audio format.
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: is LIFE in the BLACK and White OR the SPIRIT who GIVES IT~
« Reply #87 on: October 27, 2011, 12:24:14 PM »
So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. [Rom 10:17]


[1 Thessalonians 2:13] And we also thank God continually because, when you received the word of God, which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men, but as it actually is, the word of God, which is at work in you who believe.
its His Voice[ word] in us We hear# as Nothing is of US# the WORD of men is the wisdom from Beneath~  HE IS THE WORD in us#Amen~

Yes, but, the word of God there is rhema, not logos.

rhema

Rhema (ῥῆμα in Greek) literally means an "utterance" or "thing said" in Greek. It is a word that signifies the action of utterance.

My words....are life.
I think that is so in every form we can think of.
Voice/sound.
Inpiration/Vision.
But also written verses.
 :2c:
Maybe, but in the context of this scripture it is very specifically referring to the Bible.

They are not hearing any words that are not in our Bible.
Steps 1) hearing the word of God  2) faith
I wasn't meaing anything else. As an example several Bible translations are availble in audio format.


Yeah, although I think a better translation might be the implied meaning of the Greek word for 'hearing' which is 'understanding.'

So faith comes from understanding, and understanding from [reading] the [spoken words] of God.


Although I don't see any translations that specifically say that, these are closer to it.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
Therefore faith is from the hearing ear, and the hearing ear is from the word of God.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
So faith comes from hearing the message, and the message that is heard is what Christ spoke.

Weymouth New Testament
And this proves that faith comes from a Message heard, and that the Message comes through its having been spoken by Christ.



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Re: is LIFE in the BLACK and White OR the SPIRIT who GIVES IT~
« Reply #88 on: October 27, 2011, 07:20:20 PM »
People's New Testament

Jn 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth. We may paraphrase this verse thus: I shall ascend to heaven so that my body cannot be literally eaten; the flesh literally profits nothing. It is the spirit that makes alive. The spirits of men must feed upon me by faith, that they may be made alive. My words are spirit and life. He who feeds upon them will be made alive.

Don't know if I'm taking things off topic here, but I'd like to ask this question while the opportunity is ripe for discussion. The question is if flesh profiteth nothing, then why does Jesus tell us to eat his flesh and drink his blood?


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Re: is LIFE in the BLACK and White OR the SPIRIT who GIVES IT~
« Reply #89 on: October 27, 2011, 07:46:12 PM »
People's New Testament

Jn 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth. We may paraphrase this verse thus: I shall ascend to heaven so that my body cannot be literally eaten; the flesh literally profits nothing. It is the spirit that makes alive. The spirits of men must feed upon me by faith, that they may be made alive. My words are spirit and life. He who feeds upon them will be made alive.

Don't know if I'm taking things off topic here, but I'd like to ask this question while the opportunity is ripe for discussion. The question is if flesh profiteth nothing, then why does Jesus tell us to eat his flesh and drink his blood?
again we need to Divide~ After the earthy Man , Flesh is the carnal Mind , the enmity and Death, This is the Flesh[ carnal mind] which profits NOTHING~~ The pattern of eating HIS FLESH and drinking His Blood, IS LIFE~ we no longer eat broken pieces of Literal Bread and Drink Wine~ as HE is the ascendedChrist, the Spirit who Feeds US THE LIFE HE IS~

Shalom~
Isa 29:18 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.