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Religious teachings
« on: September 28, 2012, 10:06:33 PM »
What does the Bible teach about  "immortal souls," "going to heaven when you die," "not all men being saved," or consciousness in death?"
Is there a witness of two or three
verses be given to support the teaching?
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Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

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Re: Religious teachings
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2012, 06:28:49 PM »
Did you mean "immortal" souls?  We have plenty of the other... :doh:
Socrates taught Plato.  Plato taught Aristotle.  Aristotle tutored the son of Philip of Macedon.  This boy grew up to become Alexander the Great, largely by slaughtering a lot of people.  That's philosophy.

Jesus spoke the Truth.  He blessed the poor.  He healed the sick.  He even raised the dead.  He died on a cross for us, lived again, and came back long enough to tell us to love one another.  That's religion.

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Re: Religious teachings
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2012, 06:32:52 PM »
Did you mean "immortal" souls?  We have plenty of the other... :doh:

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Re: Religious teachings
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2012, 04:58:00 PM »
Our souls are not immortal at this point. The bible says, "To God who ALONE is immortal, be glory and honor..."
But when Christ comes into his Kingdom, "This mortal shall put on immortality."
The snake was the first to convince humanity that they were immortal. "You shall not surely die"
Then Father discusses with the Son that they needed to get Adam out of the Garden before he ate of the tree of life and would thus, "live forever" in a sinful state.
As many ET pastors say incorrectly (and indirectly saying we are all immortal), "It's not a question of whether you will live forever. Everyone will live forever, it's just a question of will you spend it in heaven with God or in hell (being tortured) for all eternity."
"Why do so many people think that the Bible is only inspired at certain points -  and that  THEY are inspired to pick out which points?"

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Re: Religious teachings
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2012, 05:03:37 PM »
As for "going to heaven when you die" "not all men being saved" and "conciousness in death" there are verses which support both sides that scholars cannot agree on so this would be just one of those things that are ambigous. I think the scripture is fairly clear about the "immortal soul thing tho'.  :2c:
"Why do so many people think that the Bible is only inspired at certain points -  and that  THEY are inspired to pick out which points?"

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Re: Religious teachings
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2012, 06:13:00 PM »
As for "going to heaven when you die" "not all men being saved" and "conciousness in death" there are verses which support both sides that scholars cannot agree on so this would be just one of those things that are ambigous. I think the scripture is fairly clear about the "immortal soul thing tho'.  :2c:

"...there are verses which support both sides that scholars cannot agree on...."  Verses, please. Thanks :dsunny:

****"The snake was the first to convince humanity...."   It was no snake sir, it was a serpent(the devil)
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Re: Religious teachings
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2012, 07:27:35 PM »
I'm sure we all know about the line upon line, precept upon precept concept from Isaiah 28.  One idea rests upon another as its foundation.  Without the immortal soul concept, the hell concept would not be tenable.  Thus, even though the Bible states that the soul that sins will die, and we all sin, so we (as souls) all die, the churches maintain that the soul is immortal.
Socrates taught Plato.  Plato taught Aristotle.  Aristotle tutored the son of Philip of Macedon.  This boy grew up to become Alexander the Great, largely by slaughtering a lot of people.  That's philosophy.

Jesus spoke the Truth.  He blessed the poor.  He healed the sick.  He even raised the dead.  He died on a cross for us, lived again, and came back long enough to tell us to love one another.  That's religion.

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Re: Religious teachings
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2012, 07:48:45 PM »
You win Micah
"Why do so many people think that the Bible is only inspired at certain points -  and that  THEY are inspired to pick out which points?"

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Re: Religious teachings
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2012, 09:19:10 PM »
You win Micah

Should there be any "winning," let it be the Truth of His Word, i do not win anything until He brings me to the finish. :dsunny:
Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.