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Re: ET believers and miracles
« Reply #50 on: October 09, 2010, 07:33:21 AM »
I believe demons are real. I don't think all the things seen in dreams and visions are real tho. I believe the scriptures are real and the very word of God- but I don't think my understanding is complete. So when I see or read about stories of visions and dreams and experiences that seem to confirm things like ET, or some other things that I believe the word is clear about- I look at them to see if they could be valid but misinterpreted by the receiver- or if they are just deceptions some enemy is trying to sow among the wheat.

I don't automatically accept or reject anything unless I have already previously evaluated it or the Lord has already given me clear understanding.

Good post, you showed sharp eagle eyed discernment  :thumbsup:

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« Reply #51 on: October 09, 2010, 09:14:13 AM »
Thank you my brother. Grace leads to edification....."to the praise of the glory of His grace".
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« Reply #52 on: October 09, 2010, 09:24:36 AM »
I believe demons are real. I don't think all the things seen in dreams and visions are real tho. I believe the scriptures are real and the very word of God- but I don't think my understanding is complete. So when I see or read about stories of visions and dreams and experiences that seem to confirm things like ET, or some other things that I believe the word is clear about- I look at them to see if they could be valid but misinterpreted by the receiver- or if they are just deceptions some enemy is trying to sow among the wheat.

I don't automatically accept or reject anything unless I have already previously evaluated it or the Lord has already given me clear understanding.
Good post :grin:
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« Reply #53 on: October 09, 2010, 02:09:40 PM »
I believe demons are real. I don't think all the things seen in dreams and visions are real tho. I believe the scriptures are real and the very word of God- but I don't think my understanding is complete. So when I see or read about stories of visions and dreams and experiences that seem to confirm things like ET, or some other things that I believe the word is clear about- I look at them to see if they could be valid but misinterpreted by the receiver- or if they are just deceptions some enemy is trying to sow among the wheat.

I don't automatically accept or reject anything unless I have already previously evaluated it or the Lord has already given me clear understanding.
Good post :grin:
Agreed.  :smile:
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Re: ET believers and miracles
« Reply #54 on: October 09, 2010, 04:56:22 PM »
I believe demons are real. I don't think all the things seen in dreams and visions are real tho. I believe the scriptures are real and the very word of God- but I don't think my understanding is complete. So when I see or read about stories of visions and dreams and experiences that seem to confirm things like ET, or some other things that I believe the word is clear about- I look at them to see if they could be valid but misinterpreted by the receiver- or if they are just deceptions some enemy is trying to sow among the wheat.

I don't automatically accept or reject anything unless I have already previously evaluated it or the Lord has already given me clear understanding.


personally i dont like the word ""demon"" but i do beleive in evil spirits.

here is a pic of a ""demon"""  :sigh:



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« Reply #55 on: October 09, 2010, 05:06:53 PM »
I personnally do not believe in satan and evil spirits as sentient beings with evil spiritual power. I used to believe in these and the fruit of it was fear which is not a fruit of the Spirit.
Since being revealed the true nature of these "beings", I've been freed from fear.
I used to fear them even though I intellectually knew Christ had power over them and experienced different evil spirit experience which I now see as discerning of the "evil power" that is in the world created by the evil and sin in man.
So now, knowing that there is no "superpowerfull evil spiritual being named Satan which hates me", I'm not afraid anymore because Christ has defeated adversity which was found in HIS flesh and He is defeating the adversity which is found in my flesh daily.

I know that is not a concensus around here and I mean no disrespect toward those who believe in Satan with a capital "S".

Bless you.

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« Reply #56 on: October 09, 2010, 05:32:06 PM »
Although I do believe in Satan and spirits with a capital S- I am by no means offended :o).
 
I do not however, have any fear of them, they were forged in the furnace of God to accomplish His purposes and we have been givens weapons, mighty through God, like the gospel, the sword of the spirit, the shield of faith, the name of Jesus, etc with which to destroy(render powerless) the works of the devil. I simply believe all of this is a part of another furnace within which we are being purified as gold, so that we can hammered into a lampstand fit to shine through the ages of the restoration of all things- as sons of God.

For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
(Rom 8:18-19)

And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
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Of course, I do believe we overcome the wicked one(external) by overcoming the wicked one(internal) within.

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« Reply #57 on: October 09, 2010, 05:36:09 PM »
 :cloud9: There's a lot of truth in that statement, LOL.... :thumbsup:
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« Reply #58 on: October 09, 2010, 05:49:35 PM »
I personnally do not believe in satan and evil spirits as sentient beings with evil spiritual power. I used to believe in these and the fruit of it was fear which is not a fruit of the Spirit.
Since being revealed the true nature of these "beings", I've been freed from fear.
I used to fear them even though I intellectually knew Christ had power over them and experienced different evil spirit experience which I now see as discerning of the "evil power" that is in the world created by the evil and sin in man.
So now, knowing that there is no "superpowerfull evil spiritual being named Satan which hates me", I'm not afraid anymore because Christ has defeated adversity which was found in HIS flesh and He is defeating the adversity which is found in my flesh daily.

I know that is not a concensus around here and I mean no disrespect toward those who believe in Satan with a capital "S".

Bless you.

I am in agreement my friend, I also believe that the word "satan" has become more of a christian legend, Adversary would be a better and more understood word. My :2c:
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Re: ET believers and miracles
« Reply #59 on: October 09, 2010, 06:17:43 PM »
I think Adversary is a better word/name also.

It seems to me that you have to do some strange things with the gospels if you do not believe that "Legion" spoke from sentient beings within the man Jesus set free. "Do not torment us before the time", etc. As well as the temptation on the mount. Is this all myth or allegory within your paradigm? Not historical?

This is why (forgive me) I make a point at times of re-iterating the unity between history and prophecy. Physical and spiritual. The importance of past, present, and future. The fact that what God is saying in THE NOW is tied together with what He has done in the past, and what He has said in the scripture historicly amplifies what He is saying to us eternally(in the spirit).

If an ostrich finds comfort with his head in a hole, that does not mean that at some point a lion might not come along. Jesus gave some specific attention to the casting out of demons and the subject of the Adversary that goes beyond a principle of the carnal mind and the old man/nature.

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« Reply #60 on: October 09, 2010, 06:24:12 PM »
7And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

 10Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say:
   "Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God,
      and the authority of his Christ.
   For the accuser of our brothers,
      who accuses them before our God day and night,
      has been hurled down.
 11They overcame him
      by the blood of the Lamb
      and by the word of their testimony;
   they did not love their lives so much
      as to shrink from death.
 12Therefore rejoice, you heavens
      and you who dwell in them!
   But woe to the earth and the sea,
      because the devil has gone down to you!
   He is filled with fury,
      because he knows that his time is short."
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Re: ET believers and miracles
« Reply #61 on: October 09, 2010, 09:58:54 PM »
I'm also one that sees satan as an adversary within me rather than a leader of evil spirits around me.  And as I come in to that, there are other areas, such as where Card pointed out, that are difficult to explain.  I don't beleive "S"atan tempted Jesus at all.  I believe the carnal adversary within him made and attempt to rise up and he held it at bay with knowing the word, but turned it away completey by personally engaging and commanding it to return to it's proper alignment.

I guess that's what walking in faith is all about.  It's about accepting what you can see even though it may create questions in other areas where you can't yet see.  I also believe the church has turned this into a whole organized career of fear.  People have built great reputations by emphasizing and focusing on deliverance and demons.

The only thing about that guy who is said to have the legion in him that drove the pigs into the sea, in the end, one of the last things Scripture makes about his condition after he was delivered was . . .he was of a sound mind.  I still think there's a greater connection between demonic activity and mental bondage than all the hoopla the church has made it out to be.

"If" my pursuit is toward the goal "in" Christ through experiencing his nature of love, life and light . .these subjects of death and darkness really don't have any influence on me regardless of how inflated they may become.

What I "do" know is, my MIND is to be in subjection to my SPIRIT before anything spiritual can flow in, through or out of me, period.

So just because my head can't come up with an explanation to certain matters, is not justification to reject what my spirit is trying to reveal to me . . . the rest will come in his time.  For now, in faith, I can only receive what I'm seeing.  And in this case, I see satan to be the carnal nature of this realm.  Anyone who was born into flesh experiences carnality on one level or another within them . . .including Jesus himself when he walked on this earth.

And for now, to me the demons are nothing more than the offspring of that carnality that will take us over if we don't throw ourselves into the higher power of the Love of the Father.  Love casts out all fear.  Fear thrives for unclean beings.  When left up to it's own powers, fear will cause those unclean beings to find the shortest route to death as possible. 

So . . .anyone ever ask . . .where'd the demons go after they ran the pigs off into the sea?  Did they then go for the fish in the sea?  Did they become bound to the realm of the waters from then on?  Or were they like the wicked witch of the west and when water made contact with them, they were destroyed and no longer existed?

If there is any truth that demons are as real as the church embraces them to be . . .shouldn't there also be an easy explanation to where they went?  We see the easy explanation of what happened with the guy they were in . . . he was returned to a sound mind.

I'm just sayin'.

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« Reply #62 on: October 09, 2010, 10:07:37 PM »
Unless Angels are a metaphor for the good parts of our mind, there is indeed a person who is The Adversary, who accuses us before the throne of God.

The flesh is riddled with death, but someone had to have killed us, or else convinced us to kill ourselves. Us being the human race.

Evil spirits, and demons - principalities and powers in the celestial spheres; the invisible supernatural realm superimposed over the natural - are busy waging spiritual war.  The ones in the pigs, most likely went back to their post after being rebuked by the voice of God himself.  I'm sure they needed to recover, and at the very least where forced to obey and leave.

It seems strange, that an ailment of the mind could be contagious from one human, to a whole herd of swine...I don't think it was therefore, an ailment in his flesh that was the demon, but a demon, or group of them rather, that caused the ailments in his flesh, and mind.
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« Reply #63 on: October 09, 2010, 10:54:35 PM »
I believe we're once again trying to find a carnal explanation to a spiritual event. It is the only place in the gospel that demons ask to go in something else, there is much to say about the symbolism of pigs or why they jumped in the water when "infected/possessed" by "legion".

In my understanding, in a recent past, people with chemical defects in their brain were rejected and persecuted as demon possessed while today with the advance of medecine, they take drugs and live "normally".
Sure delivrance is better than taking drugs but it goes on to show that or these are demon possession and that these demons are affected by drugs or they are deep hurt of the spirit which creates these sicknesses of the mind.

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« Reply #64 on: October 09, 2010, 11:01:27 PM »
Demons are finite, they can only work with what they are given to work with.

A mind that is pure, they have to corrupt, if a corrupt mind is broken - it is against their nature to repair it for more intelligent use.

Someone who is born with a very handicapped mind is of little use to a Demon to use.  But a brilliant mind that they can corrupt, or shatter - is their delightful delicacy.

Hitler was an artist who was scorned by his peers, and tormented by his own inferiority in a hopeless country - yet he was brilliant, and it showed through the gift of his ability to speak eloquently.  He abused it, and many people believe he became demon possessed (as do I also).  They saw the opportunity to use an already corrupt mind, a manipulatable pawn - and so they used him to further devilish goals.  The Final Solution, occult practices, aryan humanism, euthanasia, selective breeding, racism on grievous scales, terrible warfare...etc.

While we should be careful not to "over-carnalise the spiritual", we must not forget that there is a real flower behind the metaphor that we find in her petals, a dead flower or rose it matters not.
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« Reply #65 on: October 09, 2010, 11:42:00 PM »
I personnally do not believe in satan and evil spirits as sentient beings with evil spiritual power. I used to believe in these and the fruit of it was fear which is not a fruit of the Spirit.
Since being revealed the true nature of these "beings", I've been freed from fear.
I used to fear them even though I intellectually knew Christ had power over them and experienced different evil spirit experience which I now see as discerning of the "evil power" that is in the world created by the evil and sin in man.
So now, knowing that there is no "superpowerfull evil spiritual being named Satan which hates me", I'm not afraid anymore because Christ has defeated adversity which was found in HIS flesh and He is defeating the adversity which is found in my flesh daily.

I know that is not a concensus around here and I mean no disrespect toward those who believe in Satan with a capital "S".

Bless you.

This is the root, that Satan causes fear, so sticking ones head in the sand is easier than facing the enemy. But God gives us courage to face our goliaths, sticking ones head in the sand won't make the enemy go away, I encourage you to pray for courage to overcome and also ask others to pray for you. Of course you don't have to face the enemy, God grants some of us a life where the demonic realm does not inerfere with our lives, but some of us have to do spiritual battle and don't have much choice but to face the enemy and send him running, the key is that we do not have to battle, it is christ within us that overcomes. If you are terrified of Satan then pray for Gods mercy that you never have to deal with him or his demonic hordes at least until you develop the courage.

A lot of christians need to battle their flesh what you call adversity, but there are lot of people out there who need deliverance from dark forces, that have invaded their lives and even houses. These people need the true gospel message and the power of Christ to cast out demons, for these people do not simply have temptation, their lives are full of darkness which only the power of christ can deliver them from. My concern is that when they turn to christians for help, the best thay can do is send them to counsellor or mind control medicine the carnal world's way (only band aids), of dealing with dark forces and not the gospel victorious way, you know deep in your heart that I speak the truth.


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« Reply #66 on: October 09, 2010, 11:45:48 PM »
Lefein,  You are seemingly making statements as they are fact rather than your observations.  This is where condemnation often takes shape.  You say they can only work with what they are given to work with . . .I'm sorry but where does Scripture teach this?

One with a broken mind a demon will over look?  Again, how would you come to know this?  These aren't facts, merely your observations and you're presenting your point as though it's based on fact.

For me, the whole goal in all of our lives is to be free from the bondage of our "self" and walk in the spirit, not after the flesh.  It's so easy to get lost in debates on things like this because some choose to embrace literal while others choose to pursue spiritual.  

"if" spiritual is set above natural, why then emphasize the natural?  Why must we try to impress on others the literal when it's clear everyone's natural mind can come to conclusions of their own volition.  Yet it's the spiritual implications that are hidden from our understanding and can only be revealed through spiritual relationship with the Father.

If the demons are real, what now?  Should we cower in fear?  Should we warn the world of their power?  Should we take advantage of the situation and build great reputations on how to rid the world of them?  Or should we just brush them off as we continue to pursue our goal of maturing our relationship into the deeper things of God?

For me . . ."if" they are as we've been taught, then Jesus really "was" tempted by "S"atan, the greatest adversary against God. . .and yet that would mean that darkness actually would have something that Light desired otherwise, how else could light be tempted at all in the first place?  It's all connected on one level or another.

And "if" demons are real and I'm just full of poopiness, is it that big of a deal anyway?  Do we not have the power to walk on serpents and not be harmed?

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« Reply #67 on: October 09, 2010, 11:51:08 PM »
I personnally do not believe in satan and evil spirits as sentient beings with evil spiritual power. I used to believe in these and the fruit of it was fear which is not a fruit of the Spirit.
Since being revealed the true nature of these "beings", I've been freed from fear.
I used to fear them even though I intellectually knew Christ had power over them and experienced different evil spirit experience which I now see as discerning of the "evil power" that is in the world created by the evil and sin in man.
So now, knowing that there is no "superpowerfull evil spiritual being named Satan which hates me", I'm not afraid anymore because Christ has defeated adversity which was found in HIS flesh and He is defeating the adversity which is found in my flesh daily.

I know that is not a concensus around here and I mean no disrespect toward those who believe in Satan with a capital "S".

Bless you.

This is the root, that Satan causes fear, so sticking ones head in the sand is easier than facing the enemy. But God gives us courage to face our goliaths, sticking ones head in the sand won't make the enemy go away, I encourage you to pray for courage to overcome and also ask others to pray for you. Of course you don't have to face the enemy, God grants some of us a life where the demonic realm does not inerfere with our lives, but some of us have to do spiritual battle and don't have much choice but to face the enemy and send him running, the key is that we do not have to battle, it is christ within us that overcomes. If you are terrified of Satan then pray for Gods mercy that you never have to deal with him or his demonic hordes at least until you develop the courage.

A lot of christians need to battle their flesh what you call adversity, but there are lot of people out there who need deliverance from dark forces, that have invaded their lives and even houses. These people need the true gospel message and the power of Christ to cast out demons, for these people do not simply have temptation, their lives are full of darkness which only the power of christ can deliver them from. My concern is that when they turn to christians for help, the best thay can do is send them to counsellor or mind control medicine the carnal world's way (only band aids), of dealing with dark forces and not the gospel victorious way, you know deep in your heart that I speak the truth.



I do not fear satan anymore because I do not believe he is what I was taught he is. It is not putting my head into the sand, I was revealed the truth of UR after having fought with the contradictions of hell for years because I cannot put my head in the sand, I'm one of those who cannot help but live what they believe in whatever that is. The fear of satan went away because I experienced the Truth that made me free.
It is a conviction laid on my heart by the Father for His own purpose.

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« Reply #68 on: October 10, 2010, 12:27:18 AM »
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Lefein,  You are seemingly making statements as they are fact rather than your observations.  This is where condemnation often takes shape.  You say they can only work with what they are given to work with . . .I'm sorry but where does Scripture teach this?

Satan had to ask God for permission before he did anything with Job, and even then, he couldn't make anything out of thin air, he can't create ex-nihilo.

He can't enter where you don't open a door, if he can't create his ammo, and he can't get ammo where he is not allowed inside, and if he can only go where God allows, then he can only work with what he is given.

Logic.

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One with a broken mind a demon will over look?  Again, how would you come to know this?  These aren't facts, merely your observations and you're presenting your point as though it's based on fact.

How often is a person born, or naturally made to be as a vegetable used by a demon for a dwelling?

These are not dumb spirits, they know that a car without tires, or gas isn't going to get them very far down the road.

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For me, the whole goal in all of our lives is to be free from the bondage of our "self" and walk in the spirit, not after the flesh.  It's so easy to get lost in debates on things like this because some choose to embrace literal while others choose to pursue spiritual.  

Then don't fight me...Work on yourself.

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"if" spiritual is set above natural, why then emphasize the natural?  Why must we try to impress on others the literal when it's clear everyone's natural mind can come to conclusions of their own volition.  Yet it's the spiritual implications that are hidden from our understanding and can only be revealed through spiritual relationship with the Father.

Because the Spiritual and the Natural are not two separate Realities.  The whole world isn't a metaphor to be taken any which way we wish.  

Fish do indeed have bones, and rocks hurt when they hit your foot...You can make a metaphor out of these facts, but the facts still exist and should not be ignored.

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If the demons are real, what now?  Should we cower in fear?  Should we warn the world of their power?  Should we take advantage of the situation and build great reputations on how to rid the world of them?  Or should we just brush them off as we continue to pursue our goal of maturing our relationship into the deeper things of God?

Obviously you should not cower in fear, but it is poor stewardship, and I daresay stupidity to ignore the enemy at your gate, even if you are superior to him in might.

We are not to become devil minded, but we don't outright ignore the enemy when he attacks us.

We are told to submit to God, and resist the Devil, and he shall flee.

It does not say; Submit to God, ignore the Devil, and he'll get bored and go away.

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For me . . ."if" they are as we've been taught, then Jesus really "was" tempted by "S"atan, the greatest adversary against God. . .and yet that would mean that darkness actually would have something that Light desired otherwise, how else could light be tempted at all in the first place?  It's all connected on one level or another.

"Tested" is a more accurate translation of the Greek word "perisathenai" or literally translated "to be tried"

Jesus went to be tried.  Just because you are tried, doesn't mean you desire what is being offered.

I could be 'tempted', or offered by someone to sleep with an aids filled man...but I hardly desire to accept that offer.  Jesus knew well what Satan was offering, and he knew well enough to not desire it.  It is not a sin to be tried.

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And "if" demons are real and I'm just full of poopiness, is it that big of a deal anyway?  Do we not have the power to walk on serpents and not be harmed?

I think you are assuming that I have attacked you...This is false.

But clearly dear friend, that is the whole point...We have power over the devil, and darkness.  But just because we are mighty, doesn't mean we have liberty to metaphorise the enemy into a philosophical equivalence to the flesh.

Job's flesh didn't walk up to God and say - He only loves you because you bless him!  "Someone" did, that someone is called The Accuser.

The Accuser isn't some force who is full of dark glory...But he is a pest enough to not ignore if he infests a certain area of our lives.  He isn't our flesh either - otherwise he'd have been called our flesh.
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« Reply #69 on: October 10, 2010, 12:33:10 AM »
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"Tested" is a more accurate translation of the Greek word "perisathenai" or literally translated "to be tried"

Jesus went to be tried.  Just because you are tried, doesn't mean you desire what is being offered.

I could be 'tempted', or offered by someone to sleep with an aids filled man...but I hardly desire to accept that offer.  Jesus knew well what Satan was offering, and he knew well enough to not desire it.  It is not a sin to be tried.

Er, I'd hardly find any temptations in sleeping with a man, even my flesh is in adversity agaisnt that sort of thought.
Anything that tempt us has to be enticing, else it is no temptation at all.
Every "test" faced by Jesus in the desert were about evading the cross and reigning in the flesh, this is the test Jesus faced in the garden too and it is the test we have to live through every day.

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Re: ET believers and miracles
« Reply #70 on: October 10, 2010, 12:38:39 AM »
To be tried doesn't mean to be enticed.  It means to be accused in some way or form, or to be put under some act by which you may be accused later, a trial.

I accuse you Jesus, by stating that if you are really, and I mean really The Son of God...throw yourself down from this temple!  If you don't you aren't really The Son of God...so ha...

Or in this scenario:

Hey...I accuse you of being weak because you didn't yell back at this guy, you're so pitiful!

*Hey you!  #*(#@!*

Ah-Ha!  Lookie God, I told you he had a potty mouth!  Some Christian indeed!

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Being enticed is only one of the multiple ways in which one can be tried.  Satan is quite the lawyer, he has more than one trick up his sleeve when it comes to trying to bring the Defendant (us) down.
CLV: Proverbs 10:12 Hatred, it rouses up quarrels, Yet love covers over all transgressions.
KJV: Proverbs 10:12 Hatred stirreth up strifes: but love covereth all sins.

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Re: ET believers and miracles
« Reply #71 on: October 10, 2010, 02:27:47 AM »
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Hey...I accuse you of being weak because you didn't yell back at this guy, you're so pitiful!

*Hey you!  #*(#@!*

Ah-Ha!  Lookie God, I told you he had a potty mouth!  Some Christian indeed!

Yes, in other words, we are put in a no win situation.

But, Jesus is all about win/win and it is he who justifies us.



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For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.

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Re: ET believers and miracles
« Reply #72 on: October 10, 2010, 02:33:03 AM »
To be tried doesn't mean to be enticed.  It means to be accused in some way or form, or to be put under some act by which you may be accused later, a trial.

I accuse you Jesus, by stating that if you are really, and I mean really The Son of God...throw yourself down from this temple!  If you don't you aren't really The Son of God...so ha...

Or in this scenario:

Hey...I accuse you of being weak because you didn't yell back at this guy, you're so pitiful!

*Hey you!  #*(#@!*

Ah-Ha!  Lookie God, I told you he had a potty mouth!  Some Christian indeed!

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Being enticed is only one of the multiple ways in which one can be tried.  Satan is quite the lawyer, he has more than one trick up his sleeve when it comes to trying to bring the Defendant (us) down.

I'm not argueing that you're wrong about the trials but that everything you say can be said of the adversity in the flesh. It is the pride in me which accuses me of being weak in not answering someone.

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Re: ET believers and miracles
« Reply #73 on: October 10, 2010, 03:00:45 AM »
I wasn't arguing either.  I was just reinforcing that the flesh while our biggest enemy, is not our only enemy.
CLV: Proverbs 10:12 Hatred, it rouses up quarrels, Yet love covers over all transgressions.
KJV: Proverbs 10:12 Hatred stirreth up strifes: but love covereth all sins.

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Re: ET believers and miracles
« Reply #74 on: October 10, 2010, 03:34:11 AM »
 :cloud9: Having been in deliverance ministry in the beginning of my walk, I can't see it any other way, but literal demonic spirits. The Lord had to teach me and lead me in that, as it was before almost any in the churches even believed in it being necessary. That's my experience and my  :2c:. I have also been shown a heart of man application as to origin, which I won't belabor here right now.

One episode: As a home health person, I was sent to an elderly couple one day many years ago. The woman had advanced Parkinsons. When I took her into the bathroom to get her personal needs attended to (she was wheelchair bound), I asked her privately if I could pray for her, feeling an urgency since she was not going to be a regular patient for me since I was filling in that day.

She said, in an eerily creepy voice, "Oh, NOooo, I don't want you to pray for me. I don't want you to pray for me at all."

Lunchtime rolled around, and as she required feeding, I asked her if she wanted a particular food, and was puzzled by her lack of a reply. Her husband said, "Honey, she can't speak anymore, she hasn't spoken to anyone in 20 years."  :mshock:

The next trip to the bathroom took a much different turn, as I realized that I been conned by what was in her. I never saw her again. Blessings....
"I would rather train twenty men to pray, than a thousand to preach; A minister's highest mission ought to be to teach his people to pray." -H. MacGregor