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Re: ET believers and miracles
« Reply #275 on: October 23, 2010, 06:31:35 AM »
 :cloud9: That's definitely the move of the Spirit, and has been for at least the last 2 decades or so, IMO. God is tired of business as usual in the churches, where He seldom is welcomed in. My  :2c: Blessings....
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« Reply #276 on: October 23, 2010, 06:32:13 AM »
So you think its acceptable for the mayor of the town to call these evangelists bigots, because they are handing out leaflets to muslims?
Not only does this incite an arrest but also arouse the hatred towards the christians and cause violence. Mayors are supposed to be intelligent but yet is apparently appealing to the crowd to curry favour with the muslim population, I can already see corruption displayed there, but again I don't know the whole story, maybe these minority christains hiding behind the label of Christian were behaving in a bad manner shouting abusive names etc , which might have got the mayors attention. But there is nothing about such things on the article provided here, only that they were handing out leaflets.

Apparently the Christians did nothing wrong. Free speech must be upheld and people who oppose it need to be put out of office. The Mayor can call them whatever he wants, but the arrest was wrong and the outcome the right one. I hope the lawsuit against the city is successful to teach them a lesson in the 1st amendment.  :thumbsup:

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« Reply #277 on: October 23, 2010, 06:45:07 AM »
This is interesting;  thought-provoking.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/10/22/civil-rights-complaint-filed-christian-roommate-advertisement/?test=latestnews
Seems crazy, no? I understand why the laws exist though. Many rental contracts used to read "no negros" or "whites only" before the civil rights act was passed in '64. When it comes to private property though it seems like you should be able to rent to whoever you want to and exclude whoever you want to for whatever reason you want to. But if that were the case we would still have restaurants and stores (privately owned of course) with signs that said "no blacks" - so, what to do?

Is forcing a private business owner to serve Muslims or blacks an infringement to personal freedom? Should private renters be allowed to restrict who they rent to based on religion or race?   

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Re: ET believers and miracles
« Reply #278 on: October 23, 2010, 06:52:07 AM »
:cloud9: That's definitely the move of the Spirit, and has been for at least the last 2 decades or so, IMO. God is tired of business as usual in the churches, where He seldom is welcomed in. My  :2c: Blessings....
Thank you, and amen, amen!     Darkness comes before dawn, and joy comes in the morning!

House churches, I am indeed interested in.  Back to a personal, simple, fellowship, with "the power thereof".

Whenever two or more are gathered together in my name, THERE AM I IN THE MIDST OF YOU-   I call that the tabernacle effect ;o)

or to put it another way..... sounds like church to me

So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God's household, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone, in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling(tabernacle) of God in the Spirit.
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« Reply #279 on: October 23, 2010, 06:57:47 AM »
One Nation Under Allah? .-
Can't happen here? It can and it will unless we rid ourselves of the notion that religions are interchangeable. Nothing facilitates jihad like naivete. And one of our biggest blind spots is the failure to recognize that different religious beliefs can and do result in radically different cultures.

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Were the founders dumb and clueless to allow any and all religious beliefs to flourish freely? As long as no civil laws are broken - then that's exactly the case in America. You can worship mother goose and even claim that mother goose wants you to kill all the Micky Mouse worshipers. As long as you abide by the laws of the land you are free to believe whatever you want.

I personally believe there is a danger if some Islamic principles were to be incorporated into the constitution. How would that happen? Only if those in favor of Sharia law were to become a majority in both houses and make amendments to the constitution which would allow  the government to enforce Islamic laws which are now unconstitutional principles.

May I ask - Molly - what is your plan for forcing people not to be Muslims in the U.S. and for stopping them from building Mosques etc. ? Please give practical pragmatic ways to accomplish this.

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« Reply #280 on: October 23, 2010, 06:59:35 AM »
:cloud9: That's definitely the move of the Spirit, and has been for at least the last 2 decades or so, IMO. God is tired of business as usual in the churches, where He seldom is welcomed in. My  :2c: Blessings....
Thank you, and amen, amen!     Darkness comes before dawn, and joy comes in the morning!

House churches, I am indeed interested in.  Back to a personal, simple, fellowship, with "the power thereof".

Whenever two or more are gathered together in my name, THERE AM I IN THE MIDST OF YOU-   I call that the tabernacle effect ;o)

or to put it another way..... sounds like church to me

So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God's household, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone, in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling(tabernacle) of God in the Spirit.
(Eph 2:19-22)

I had a thought one day, after seeing some of the posts saying "no stone left on another".

It brought to mind, no one being above the other in the kingdom of God, servant is king, least is greatest, all are equal heirs in Christ who are saved by the saviour of All men our Lord Jesus.  I am sure that no living stone standing on another was the message behind whoever posted it, but that's what I got anyway. ^^

But then this thought came to me...

Stones all together forming a foundation, or a tiled floor, a bit like the expanse of sapphire under God's throne, and The Holy Spirit is the tent, the protecting fabric, and the shelter that covers the foundation of living stones, stretched out over it like a tabernacle.

Does anyone have any word, or scripture perhaps that might support, or even refute this?  How does this resonate with everyone? :)

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« Reply #281 on: October 23, 2010, 09:35:38 AM »
    I always read that as Jesus saying not one stone of the tabernacle of man (the natural temple, traditions of men, mans works)would be left standing on another. (we seek a city , made without hands, with foundations in the heavens whose builder and maker is God)

This statement:

Stones all together forming a foundation, or a tiled floor, a bit like the expanse of sapphire under God's throne, and The Holy Spirit is the tent, the protecting fabric, and the shelter that covers the foundation of living stones, stretched out over it like a tabernacle.

To me is beautiful and true

1Pe 2:5  you also, as living stones, are being built up as a spiritual house for a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

A dear friend of mine had a vision many years ago. Jesus was sitting beside a loose pile of translucent stones. He was sorting them, setting the clear ones in a tiled floor and setting the cloudy ones aside. He looked at my friend and said, "God love a cheerful giver". This was not about money IMO, it was about the "glorious liberty of the sons of God".... "Behold, it is written in the volume of the book of me, 'I come to do Thy will O God'"....."Zeal for thine house consumes me"..... "Here I am, I and the children thou hast given Me."
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Re: ET believers and miracles
« Reply #282 on: October 23, 2010, 09:38:54 AM »
 Feast of booths........ Lil tents - Wouldn't it be cool...joint heirs, all just humbly campin out in the wilderness, remembering where they came from ;o)
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« Reply #283 on: October 23, 2010, 02:46:06 PM »
Preaching from portions of the Bible is a hate crime in Canada, is it not?  Haven't you put preachers in jail?  This is a worldwide problem having to do with a challenge to the sovereignty of nations, and, in this country, of people.  The only religion that is becoming outlawed is Christianity. 

Once again - why must this Canadian incident be exaggerated and misrepresented as the beginning of the end? I've seen this (Canada's anti-hate speech law) referred to literally hundreds of times as proof that the end is near (and coming soon to America).

For your info : Two people (preachers) were arrested for saying that gays should be put to death. Both had the charges dropped and the Canadian human rights tribunal has repealed the hate-speech law citing that it is too restrictive of the free speech guaranteed to Canadian citizens.

So where is the end of the world affront to Christianity in North America? Answer: it doesn't exist.

For YEARS I received this email from alarmed Christian friends: http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/fcc.asp

People were FRANTIC - and sure this was the end. Unbelievable gullibility.

If Christianity is on the decline at all, try blaming pedophile priests and filthy rich fear mongering televangelists - not the devil or Islam.




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« Reply #284 on: October 23, 2010, 03:31:27 PM »
Is this article a lie?  Have these commissions been disbanded?

Catholicism – A Hate Crime in Canada?
June 4th, 2008 by Pete Vere, JCL  Print This Article · ShareThis

"If one, because of one's sincerely held moral beliefs, whether it be Jew, Muslim, Christian, Catholic, opposes the idea of same-sex marriage in Canada, is that considered 'hate'?"

The question was not rhetorical. Nor was it theoretical. Fr. Alphonse de Valk, a Basilian priest and pro-life activist known throughout Canada for his orthodoxy, is currently being investigated by the Canadian Human Rights Commission (CHRC) — a quasi-judicial investigative body with the power of the Canadian government behind it. The CHRC is using section 13 of Canada's Human Rights Act to investigate the priest. This is a section under which no defendant has ever won once the allegation has gone to tribunal — the next stage of the process.

Most defendants end up paying thousands of dollars in fines and compensation. This is in addition to various court costs. Moreover, defendants are responsible for their own legal defense. In contrast, the commission provides free legal assistance to the complainant.

What was Father de Valk's alleged 'hate act'?

Father defended the Church's teaching on marriage during Canada's same-sex 'marriage' debate, quoting extensively from the Bible, the Catechism of the Catholic Church, and Pope John Paul II's encyclicals. Each of these documents contains official Catholic teaching. And like millions of other people throughout the world and the ages – many of who are non-Catholics and non-Christians — Father believes that marriage is an exclusive union between a man and a woman.

The response from Mark van Dusen, a media consultant and spokesperson for CHRC, shocked me. I have interviewed van Dusen in the past and he has always struck me as an honest person willing to field tough questions on behalf of the commission. If he feels an accusation against the commission is hogwash, he states so plainly. If he feels the CHRC and its personnel are being unfairly tainted, he states so boldly.

Yet van Dusen did not dismiss the question out-of-hand as I thought he would. "We investigate complaints, Mr. Vere," he said, "we don't set public policy or moral standards. We investigate complaints based on the circumstances and the details outlined in the complaint. And …if…upon investigation, deem that there is sufficient evidence, then we may forward the complaint to the tribunal, but the hate is defined in the Human Rights Act under section 13-1."

In other words, individual Jews, Muslims, Catholics and other Christians who, for reasons of conscience, hold to their faith's traditional teaching concerning marriage, could very well be guilty of promoting hate in Canada. The same is true of any faith community in Canada that does not embrace this modern redefinition of one of the world's oldest institutions — a redefinition that even the highly-secularist France rejects.

"Our job is to look at it, compare it to the act, to accumulated case law, tribunal and court decisions that have reflected on hate and decide whether to advance the complaint, dismiss it or whether there is room for a settlement between parties," van Dusen continued. The truth of the CHRC considering adherence to Catholicism or Islam a possible hate crime was made real by van Dusen's implicit admission that the commission could dismiss the complaint against Fr. De Valk. Over six months have passed since the commission first notified Father of the complaint. There has been no hint of the commission dropping the complaint.

Father de Valk publishes Catholic Insight, a Canadian magazine that "bases itself on the Church's teaching and applies it to various circumstances in our time." He is being accused by a homosexual activist of promoting "extreme hatred and contempt" against homosexuals.

Yet following the example of Popes John Paul II and Benedict XV, Father has stated on several occasions that we must love homosexuals and treat them with the dignity due every human person. "The basic view of the Church is that homosexual acts are a sin, but we love the sinner," Father told me during an interview. "Opposing same-sex marriage is not the same as rejecting homosexuals as persons." This is the deeply-held belief of orthodox Christians that is now considered a possible hate act warranting state intervention. This is what happens when government agencies broadly define homophobia as opposition to any homosexual act.

Yet the complaint against Father de Valk is just one of several in recent years that has been pursued against Christians by Canada's human rights commissions. In 2005, the British Columbia Human Rights Tribunal fined a Knights of Columbus council over $1,000 dollars for declining to rent their hall to a couple for a lesbian marriage ceremony.

Five years previous, the Ontario Human Rights Commission fined Protestant printer Scott Brockie $5,000 for declining to print homosexual-themed stationary. The Saskatchewan Human Rights Tribunal fined Hugh Owens thousands of dollars for quoting a couple of Bible verses in a letter to the local newspaper. And Mayor Diane Haskett in London, Ontario, was fined $10,000 plus interest for declining to proclaim a gay pride day.

Nor have Canada's bishops been spared. Bishop Fred Henry, one of Canada's most outspoken defenders of the sanctity of life and marriage, was brought before a human rights commission for upholding Catholic moral teaching. While the complaint was ultimately withdrawn — not by the commission, but by the individual who originally filed the complaint — Bishop Henry incurred thousands of dollars of legal costs.

Thus Bishop Henry sympathizes with Father de Valk, who the bishop praises as a model of Catholic orthodoxy and fidelity to Christian teaching. "The social climate right now is that we're into a new form of censorship and thought control, and the commissions are being used as thought police," His Excellency states.

Additionally, a message posted to a popular Catholic internet forum has reportedly made its way before the British Columbia Human Rights Tribunal. The alleged poster, who is an American writing from America, was commenting on an article written by Mark Steyn — a Canadian author who now lives in New Hampshire. The tribunal accepted this posting as evidence that Steyn promoted "hatred". While the website is never mentioned by name in  news reports – referred to only as "a  Catholic website" — a source at the tribunal told me, off-the-record, that the website was Catholic Answers.

While the claim is unconfirmed as of this writing, the controversial Mark Steyn article, over which the British Columbia hearing is being held, was posted to the Catholic Answers message forum.  Moreoever, popular Jewish-Canadian blogger Ezra Levant, who is blogging live from the hearing, and who is the subject of his own human rights commission complaint, published a description of the unnamed  Catholic forum. Several details match, including the screen names of two participants to the Catholic Answers forum discussion of Steyn's article.

Imagine that! Canada's human rights tribunals are now attempting to prosecute a case against an American resident, based upon what an American citizen allegedly posted to a mainstream American Catholic website. What passes for mainstream Catholic discussion in America is now the basis for a hate complaint in Canada.

Moreover, Christians in America are not immune from what is happening to their co-religionists across the border. This past April, the New Mexico Human Rights Commission ordered Elaine Huguenin, a self-employed Christian photographer, to pay a lesbian couple $6,600 for having declined to photograph their same-sex commitment ceremony. This fine and stress from the legal proceedings come at a time when Huguenin and her husband are expecting their first child.

The New Mexico commission ignored the fact that photography is a form of artistic expression. The state commission ignored the fact that the First Amendment protects individuals from compelled speech — that is, coercion from the state to give artistic expression that violates one's most deeply held beliefs. The commission's one-page ruling simply stated that Huguenin had "discriminated against [the lesbian complainant] because of sexual orientation." As this New Mexico Human Rights Commission ruling shows, Americans are in grave danger of having their religious liberty ripped away from them by Canadian-style human rights commissions.

Pete Vere, JCL, is a canon lawyer and Catholic journalist. He writes from Sault Ste. Marie, a twin city in Northern Ontario and Michigan's Upper Peninsula. He is the co-author of Surprised by Canon Law, volumes one and two.

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Ahh! But now John, no longer small stick-built huts, more like, perhaps, Chariots of Fire!

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« Reply #286 on: October 23, 2010, 05:54:12 PM »
I had a thought one day, after seeing some of the posts saying "no stone left on another".

It brought to mind, no one being above the other in the kingdom of God, servant is king, least is greatest, all are equal heirs in Christ who are saved by the saviour of All men our Lord Jesus.  I am sure that no living stone standing on another was the message behind whoever posted it, but that's what I got anyway. ^^

But then this thought came to me...

Stones all together forming a foundation, or a tiled floor, a bit like the expanse of sapphire under God's throne, and The Holy Spirit is the tent, the protecting fabric, and the shelter that covers the foundation of living stones, stretched out over it like a tabernacle.

Does anyone have any word, or scripture perhaps that might support, or even refute this?  How does this resonate with everyone? :)

 :cloud9: I'm the one that posted that revelation I got that day, as I read that scripture someone posted about no stone left standing upon another, meaning no men standing on one another in usurped authority, as in the sin of the Nicolaitians (sp).

I don't have a scripture, but I'd say that thought was God, because I had a dream/vision the night after I led a Catholic Italian war bride to the Lord in prayer, when I was doing home health and staying with her at night. I saw the most beautiful sapphire tiled floor under her (foundation). They were about an inch square, all the same color of deep blue, obviously beginning to be laid under her, as it looked like a Scrabble board when you're done playing, with some pieces missing. It was exquisite. Then I jolted awake, LOL. Blessings.....
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« Reply #287 on: October 23, 2010, 06:31:41 PM »
I had a thought one day, after seeing some of the posts saying "no stone left on another".

It brought to mind, no one being above the other in the kingdom of God, servant is king, least is greatest, all are equal heirs in Christ who are saved by the saviour of All men our Lord Jesus.  I am sure that no living stone standing on another was the message behind whoever posted it, but that's what I got anyway. ^^

But then this thought came to me...

Stones all together forming a foundation, or a tiled floor, a bit like the expanse of sapphire under God's throne, and The Holy Spirit is the tent, the protecting fabric, and the shelter that covers the foundation of living stones, stretched out over it like a tabernacle.

Does anyone have any word, or scripture perhaps that might support, or even refute this?  How does this resonate with everyone? :)

 :cloud9: I'm the one that posted that revelation I got that day, as I read that scripture someone posted about no stone left standing upon another, meaning no men standing on one another in usurped authority, as in the sin of the Nicolaitians (sp).

I don't have a scripture, but I'd say that thought was God, because I had a dream/vision the night after I led a Catholic Italian war bride to the Lord in prayer, when I was doing home health and staying with her at night. I saw the most beautiful sapphire tiled floor under her (foundation). They were about an inch square, all the same color of deep blue, obviously beginning to be laid under her, as it looked like a Scrabble board when you're done playing, with some pieces missing. It was exquisite. Then I jolted awake, LOL. Blessings.....
Regarding the tile floor under you---we are actually standing on something, the faith of Christ.  I'm sure if you could see it with your eyes, it would be quite as beautiful as Cardinal describes.

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« Reply #288 on: October 24, 2010, 06:28:20 AM »
Is this article a lie?  Have these commissions been disbanded?
The info I gave you was from this year. Some on the tribunal got happy with the hate speech rule just like the Dearborn mayor got happy with the Christian arrests. In both situations free speech (which is a fine line BTW) is being tested and has prevailed from what I understand. I studied about how the 2 pastor/preacher cases turned out but did not research how some of the older cases you mentioned turned out, so some injustices may have prevailed in those cases.  :dontknow: not sure.

Like i said - Fred Phelps proved we are okay in the U.S. at this time. Yet - we must ALWAYS be vigilant to fight against those who would oppose free speech. But if we cry wolf and misrepresent/exaggerate facts then some credibility is lost, no?

If you find any of my info is in error PLEASE let me know as I will be the first to protest and rally for free speech. Seriously.

Also - I didn't see where you responded to my question below:

May I ask - Molly - what is your plan for forcing people not to be Muslims in the U.S. and for stopping them from building Mosques etc. ? Please give practical pragmatic ways to accomplish this.

If I missed it - please point me in the right direction.

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« Reply #289 on: October 24, 2010, 06:31:34 AM »
Quote
Regarding the tile floor under you---we are actually standing on something, the faith of Christ.  I'm sure if you could see it with your eyes, it would be quite as beautiful as Cardinal describes.

Hebrews 11:1
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.


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...and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

--Gal 2:20


1 Corinthians 2:5
That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.


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« Reply #290 on: October 25, 2010, 02:17:37 PM »
Is this article a lie?  Have these commissions been disbanded?
The info I gave you was from this year. Some on the tribunal got happy with the hate speech rule just like the Dearborn mayor got happy with the Christian arrests. In both situations free speech (which is a fine line BTW) is being tested and has prevailed from what I understand. I studied about how the 2 pastor/preacher cases turned out but did not research how some of the older cases you mentioned turned out, so some injustices may have prevailed in those cases.  :dontknow: not sure.

Like i said - Fred Phelps proved we are okay in the U.S. at this time. Yet - we must ALWAYS be vigilant to fight against those who would oppose free speech. But if we cry wolf and misrepresent/exaggerate facts then some credibility is lost, no?

If you find any of my info is in error PLEASE let me know as I will be the first to protest and rally for free speech. Seriously.

Also - I didn't see where you responded to my question below:

May I ask - Molly - what is your plan for forcing people not to be Muslims in the U.S. and for stopping them from building Mosques etc. ? Please give practical pragmatic ways to accomplish this.

If I missed it - please point me in the right direction.

Molly, I really would like to know what you feel solution is.  :dontknow:

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« Reply #291 on: October 25, 2010, 03:25:42 PM »
The info I gave you was from this year. Some on the tribunal got happy with the hate speech rule just like the Dearborn mayor got happy with the Christian arrests. In both situations free speech (which is a fine line BTW)
Free speech is not a fine line. It's a very simple and clear line. Putting a single restriction on speech means it's no longer free.

May I ask - Molly - what is your plan for forcing people not to be Muslims in the U.S. and for stopping them from building Mosques etc. ? Please give practical pragmatic ways to accomplish this.
That's simple. Outlaw free speech...
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« Reply #292 on: October 25, 2010, 03:43:21 PM »
What is the solution?  Lower the number of immigrants to pre-1965 levels or, preferably much lower, allow only Christians, and mostly Europeans.  Close our borders.  Bring troops back from the middle east to patrol our borders.  Deport illegal immigrants.





 As of 2006, the United States accepts more legal immigrants as permanent residents than all other countries in the world combined.[1] Since the liberalization of immigration policy in 1965,[2] the number of first- generation immigrants living in the United States has quadrupled,[3] from 9.6 million in 1970 to about 38 millionin 2007.[4] 1,046,539 persons were naturalized as U.S. citizens in 2008. The leading emigrating countries to the United States were Mexico, India, and the Philippines.[5]

Family reunification accounts for approximately two-thirds of legal immigration to the US every year.[8]

American immigration history can be viewed in four epochs: the colonial period, the mid-nineteenth century, the turn of the twentieth, and post-1965. Each epoch brought distinct national groups, races, and ethnicities to the United States. During the seveneenth century, approximately 175,000 Englishmen migrated to Colonial America.[9] Over half of all European immigrants to Colonial America during the 17th and 18th centuries arrived as indentured servants.[10] The mid-nineteenth century saw mainly an influx from northern Europe; the early twentieth-century mainly from Southern and Eastern Europe; post-1965 mostly from Latin America and Asia.

The Immigration and Nationality Act Amendments of 1965, also known as the Hart-Cellar Act, abolished the system of national-origin quotas. By equalizing immigration policies, the act resulted in new immigration from non-European nations, which changed the ethnic make-up of the United States.[25] While European immigrants accounted for nearly 60% of the total foreign population in 1970, they accounted for only 15% in 2000.[26] Immigration doubled between 1965 and 1970, and againbetween 1970 and 1990.[27] In 1990, President George H. W. Bush signed the Immigration Act of 1990,[28] which increased legal immigration to the United States by 40%.[29] Nearly eight million immigrants came to the United States from 2000 to 2005, more than in any other five-year period in the nation's history.[30] Almost half entered illegally.[31] Since 1986, Congress has passed seven amnesties for illegal immigrants.[32] Hispanic immigrants were among the first victims of the late-2000s recession.[33] 1.1 million immigrants were granted legal residence in 2009.[34]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_the_United_States



IMMIGRATION BY THE NUMBERS--THIS IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF CONGRESS REFUSES TO LOWER IMMIGRATION RATES

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7WJeqxuOfQ
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Re: ET believers and miracles
« Reply #293 on: October 25, 2010, 06:18:21 PM »
2 Chronicles 7:14
if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land.



Our Constitution has accordingly fixed the limits to which, and no further, our confidence may go... In questions of power, then, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution."

 --Thomas Jefferson: Draft Kentucky Resolutions, 1798. ME 17:388

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« Reply #294 on: October 26, 2010, 12:08:18 AM »
The info I gave you was from this year. Some on the tribunal got happy with the hate speech rule just like the Dearborn mayor got happy with the Christian arrests. In both situations free speech (which is a fine line BTW)
Free speech is not a fine line. It's a very simple and clear line. Putting a single restriction on speech means it's no longer free.

May I ask - Molly - what is your plan for forcing people not to be Muslims in the U.S. and for stopping them from building Mosques etc. ? Please give practical pragmatic ways to accomplish this.
That's simple. Outlaw free speech...

There is fine line - threats, inciting riots/violence ect. are not covered by free speech laws. There is a fine line between preaching hate (including suggesting it's okay to harm/kill certain people or people groups) and actually threatening to harm/kill them or inciting others to actually harm/kill them. 

That's the fine line and some court somewhere has to determine when than line is crossed.

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« Reply #295 on: October 26, 2010, 12:15:59 AM »
What is the solution?  Lower the number of immigrants to pre-1965 levels or, preferably much lower, allow only Christians, and mostly Europeans.  Close our borders.  Bring troops back from the middle east to patrol our borders.  Deport illegal immigrants.

Closing our physical borders will do little/nothing to curb Islam. Your illegal immigration points are spot on (as well as securing the borders - duh!).

The rest of your comments are simple religious/racial bigotry and (in my view) should be appalling to anyone who names the name of Christ.

There is not even the slightest hint in the entire N.T. of being concerned that your neighbors may have a different belief than Christianity (except to be ready to give them a reason for the hope Christians have - in hopes of winning them over) or that your neighbors may be a different race than you. Really sad that you feel the gospel is so weak it cannot prevail outside of your cultural racial bounds.

I think you sum up the far right racial/religious fundamentalist Christian movement and ideology very well. It might actually work with no constitution and with a totalitarian Christian state in place. Good luck with that.  :mblush:

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Re: ET believers and miracles
« Reply #296 on: October 26, 2010, 12:42:46 AM »
The info I gave you was from this year. Some on the tribunal got happy with the hate speech rule just like the Dearborn mayor got happy with the Christian arrests. In both situations free speech (which is a fine line BTW)
Free speech is not a fine line. It's a very simple and clear line. Putting a single restriction on speech means it's no longer free.

May I ask - Molly - what is your plan for forcing people not to be Muslims in the U.S. and for stopping them from building Mosques etc. ? Please give practical pragmatic ways to accomplish this.
That's simple. Outlaw free speech...
There is fine line - threats, inciting riots/violence ect. are not covered by free speech laws.
You speak of free speech. But there is NO free speech.
If there was truely free speech everything would be allowed to be discussed. Including speeches that will cause mass riots with 100% certainty.
So free speech has NO fine line. It has no line at all.
LIMITED free speech has a line. But because it's limited it's no longer free....
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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« Reply #297 on: October 26, 2010, 02:02:58 AM »
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Closing our physical borders will do little/nothing to curb Islam.

I'm not 'trying to curb Islam,"  I'm trying to curb immigration.

I'm curious, did you actually watch the video I provided, Immigration Gumballs?

Calling people names doesn't really work anymore.

But, not to worry--we will be a third world country sooner than you can say, 'racist.'  So, the discussion is probably already moot.

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« Reply #298 on: October 26, 2010, 02:18:05 AM »
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Closing our physical borders will do little/nothing to curb Islam.

I'm not 'trying to curb Islam,"  I'm trying to curb immigration.

I'm curious, did you actually watch the video I provided, Immigration Gumballs?

Calling people names doesn't really work anymore.

But, not to worry--we will be a third world country sooner than you can say, 'racist.'  So, the discussion is probably already moot.

I thought you handled that well molly considering what he was atacking you with.

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« Reply #299 on: October 26, 2010, 05:26:24 AM »
I think that it might be best to have some time in the presence of the Prince of Peace.
CLV: Proverbs 10:12 Hatred, it rouses up quarrels, Yet love covers over all transgressions.
KJV: Proverbs 10:12 Hatred stirreth up strifes: but love covereth all sins.