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Elohim and the Son(s) of God
« on: October 26, 2010, 07:49:04 PM »
Elohim and the Son of God   
  • What is God?
  • What is/are Elohim?
  • Who are the Sons of God
  • Who is Christ?
  • Jesus as the Son of God
  • The nature of "Eternity?"
  • Worship of Christ
  • Christ's existence before His incarnation
  • Christ as the first creation of the Father
  • Christ's role in the subsequent creation
 
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Re: Elohim and the Son(s) of God
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2010, 08:29:39 PM »
I was just thinking about Elohim last night, and as far as the Bible is concerned there are three uses of it, which are determined by the context of the surrounding verses.

Elohim = a title of Yahweh as God, and deity of existence: IE: The one true god.

Elohim = judges, magistrates, the civic, and theocratic rulers of Israel.

Elohim = gods, the plural form of eloah; like when Israel in the desert asked Aaron to make them elohim to worship - "Make us gods to worship".

As far as why Elohim "The Majestic Plural" is used for God who is one entity, I asked God about this in prayer and this thought came up which you may take as you will.

"God manifests his presence in many ways, even though he is One"

There is one God, and many ways in which he has appeared in the true sense of his presence; basically, he appears in many ways, but not in the way that Baha'i and alot of new-age people like to teach.  He didn't come in Buddha, or other religion's patriarchs.  As far as human incarnation Jesus alone is the only begotten son of God, and he alone is The Image (in and by his own root nature) of the invisible God, and he alone God is incarnate.

But, that aside; Elohim to me seems to speak of the one God appearing through plural means.  He has appeared as a burning bush, the Angel of the Lord, a pillar of fire and cloud, his shekinah glory, as the Son of Man in Ezekiel's vision, and before Daniel, and before his friends in the furnace, his presence on the Ark of the Covenant, the still small voice, the Holy Spirit, Jesus the image of God, the smoke pot and the flaming torch in the covenant with Abraham, the hand who wrote on the wall in Babylon, etc.

All of these are plural, multiple, different, and unique ways in which the God has appeared to us; The capstone and most glorious of these being in, through, and as Jesus Christ the Messiah.

Atleast, that is what I got when I asked about the plural use of Elohim to describe the one God.  :boyheart:
 
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Re: Elohim and the Son(s) of God
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2010, 08:37:44 PM »
And encouragement wise; He also dwells in one body - the Ecclesia which is made up of many different people, like you, and I, and Bob down the street.  We're different individual people, who are indwelt by the One God.  :thumbsup:

Disclaimer: Though we are certainly not Yahweh himself, that I think would be reserved only for Jesus, the Head of the Body.  Just to clear that up for future readers so they won't think I am putting the body up as the God himself.  I never promote self-worship, or the worship of the sanctified vessels.
CLV: Proverbs 10:12 Hatred, it rouses up quarrels, Yet love covers over all transgressions.
KJV: Proverbs 10:12 Hatred stirreth up strifes: but love covereth all sins.

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Re: Elohim and the Son(s) of God
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2010, 09:19:14 PM »
The funny thing is that Buddha never claimed to be a (son of) God but was more Jesus like than the others that do claim to be God  :happygrin:
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: Elohim and the Son(s) of God
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2010, 09:20:04 PM »
Lol, he was indeed compassionate, he was just the first (and usual) example to come off the top of my head. xD

Interesting note of things; according to Universal Reconciliation, Buddha too is saved, and while I am completely abhorrent to the idea of Nirvana - it is neat that such men as Buddha are in God's thoughts as well.
CLV: Proverbs 10:12 Hatred, it rouses up quarrels, Yet love covers over all transgressions.
KJV: Proverbs 10:12 Hatred stirreth up strifes: but love covereth all sins.

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Re: Elohim and the Son(s) of God
« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2010, 01:23:14 AM »
And encouragement wise; He also dwells in one body - the Ecclesia which is made up of many different people, like you, and I, and Bob down the street.  We're different individual people, who are indwelt by the One God.  :thumbsup:

Disclaimer: Though we are certainly not Yahweh himself, that I think would be reserved only for Jesus, the Head of the Body.  Just to clear that up for future readers so they won't think I am putting the body up as the God himself.  I never promote self-worship, or the worship of the sanctified vessels.

 :thumbsup:

Isaiah 52:10
The LORD hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.



I have long thought we are the Yeshu'ah elohiym.



"the salvation"

H3444
ישׁוּעה
yeshû‛âh
yesh-oo'-aw
Feminine passive participle of H3467; something saved, that is, (abstractly) deliverance; hence aid, victory, prosperity: - deliverance, health, help (-ing), salvation, save, saving (health), welfare.


"of our God"
H430
אלהים
'ĕlôhı̂ym
el-o-heem'
Plural of H433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative: - angels, X exceeding, God (gods) (-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.



..for we have the mind of Christ. [1Cor2:16]