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Re: Development of an unborn baby compared to Jewish Feasts
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2011, 12:09:34 PM »
ANCIENT FEASTS OF ISRAEL

JESUS' FULFILLMENT OF FEASTS BY HIS EARTHLY MINISTRYUNBORN BABY'S DEVELOPMENT PATTERNED AFTER FEASTS

1] PASSOVER. Passover occurred on the fourteenth day of the first month- the month of Abib or Nisan (Leviticus 23:5). Passover commemorated the salvation of Israelite children from death- through faith placed in the (Passover) lamb's blood- and the beginning of a new life in the Promised Land- as God used Moses to lead His people from bondage in Egypt.

NEW LIFE. God sent His Son, Jesus, to give all believers eternal life (John 3:16; etc.). Paul called Jesus our Passover Lamb (1 Corinthians 5:7). Any person who accepts by faith Jesus' blood sacrifice is given new life- an eternal life with Jesus in Heaven (John 3:1-21; etc.).OVULATION. If one counts the month a woman becomes pregnant as the first month of pregnancy, ovulation occurs on the fourteenth day of the first month. At ovulation, a new life is readied, requiring only the next step- fertilization.
2] UNLEAVENED BREAD. The Feast of Unleavened Bread began on the day following Passover (Leviticus 23:6). This feast commemorated the haste required by the Israelites as they left Egypt (the bread did not have time to rise) and also symbolized the need to remove leaven from the homes (leaven, or yeast, was a metaphor for sin).


THE SEED. Jesus was buried in less than one day after His crucifixion. The Seed (Jesus) was buried- or planted- in the tomb. Seed of any plant must be buried in soil before it can sprout and bear fruit. Our Seed, Jesus, was planted so that He could rise as the Firstfruits of resurrection (1 Corinthians 15:20-23; etc.), with the proof and promise that those who believe in Him would also be resurrected from death (James 1:18; etc.). Jesus had no leaven (sin) in Him.

FERTILIZATION. Fertilization of the mother's egg (ovum) with the father's sperm- literally, planting of the father's seed- must occur within one day of ovulation, or that ovum disintegrates and pregnancy cannot occur that month.
3] FIRSTFRUITS. The Feast of Firstfruits began on Sunday following Passover (Leviticus 23:9-14), and could, therefore, occur on any date between two to six days after Passover. Celebration of Firstfruits involved waving a sheaf of the first harvested grain before God, and was a statement by God's people of faith in Him to provide for all their needs as well as an offering of thanksgiving for all He had provided.

JESUS' RESURRECTION. Jesus, our Bread of Life (John 6:35), rose from death on the third day after His crucifixion (John 24:7; etc.). The planted Seed literally rose to become the Firstfruits of resurrection (1 Corinthians 15:20-23), as a sign of His Divinity and a promise that believers in Him would also be raised from death to eternal life.IMPLANTATION. After fertilization, the fertilized ovum (egg) slowly moves through the fallopian tube into the cavity of the womb (uterus) for approximately two to six days, until it implants into the endometrium (the lining of the uterus) where it will be nourished and will develop until birth. At birth, the "fruit" of pregnancy comes forth- a baby with an eternal soul.
4] PENTECOST. The Festival of Weeks, Shavuot or Pentecost, occurred fifty days after Firstruits (Leviticus 23:15-16; Deuteronomy 16:9-10). This festival was an offering of new grain to God in thanksgiving for the summer grain harvest.


HARVEST. The Christian Church- the body of Jesus the Christ- began on the Day of Pentecost following Jesus' resurrection (John 14:16-20; Acts, Chapter 2; etc.). From this day forward, this Church would reap a great harvest of souls for God's Kingdom (Joel 2:28-29), with believers in Jesus being transformed into a new creation (2 Corintians 5:17; etc.).

NEW CREATION (FETUS). As the implanted ovum continues to develop, he or she becomes recognizable with human-like features at approximately fifty days of gestation. From this time forward, the new creation becomes more human-like in appearance day after day until birth.
5] TRUMPETS. The Feast (Day) of Trumpets, Yom Teruah, occurred on the first day of the seventh* month, the month of Ethanim (or, Tishri) (Leviticus 23:23-25; Numbers 29:1-6). Trumpet blasts on this day acknowledged the presence of God in the land, announced the two major Holy Days to follow in the month, and signalled the finality of God's plan for the year's harvest. (*The number seven is symbolic of the completion of a work of God.)

BELIEVERS' RAPTURE/ RESURRECTION. Jesus will return in the clouds to resurrect dead believers and rapture (translate, snatch up) living believers, that they may be with Him forever in Heaven (Acts 1:11; 1 Corinthians 15:51-54; 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17; etc.). This event will be accompanied by the sound of God's trumpet and a shouted command for believers to come up to the Lord.HEARING. The unborn baby's hearing is fully developed by the seventh month of gestation, so that he or she can discriminate sounds, e.g,, the sounds of God's trumpet and the command to come up to the Lord.
6] ATONEMENT. The Day of Atonement, Yom Kippur, occured on the tenth day of the seventh month (Leviticus 23:26-32; Numbers 29:7-11). This solemn day for the atonement of the sins of the people through confession and repentance involved the shedding of blood from sacrificial animals. (NOTE: Two goats were sacrificed. Blood from the goat for the LORD was sprinkled on the mercy seat of the Ark of the Covenant, the goat for azazel [Hebrew: az-aw-zale']- the scapegoat, the goat of departure- took up the sins of the people and was removed from the community [to take away the sins] and killed [to never bring the sins back]. Thus, the goat for azazel symobolized God's promise to forgive and forget sin, after a sinner's confession and repentance.)

REDEMPTION. Surviving Zion (Israel) will be saved during the Tribulation, as Jews come to accept Jesus as their Messiah and Savior (Romans 11:26). Redemption from sin- for Jews and Gentiles alike- can occur only through personal acceptance of Jesus' blood sacrifice on the cross (Ephesians 1:7; Colossians 1:14; etc.). Like the symbolic goat for azazel, Jesus through His crucifixion (blood sacrifice) became the way He could take our sins upon Himself and remove them from us, if we confess and repent of the sins (Isaiah, Chapter 53; 2 Corinthians 5:21; Colossians 2:13-15; 1 Peter 2:24; etc.).BLOOD (HEMOGLOBIN A). Hemoglobin is the iron-containing protein in red blood cells which transports life-sustaining oxygen to the body's cells. During early pregnancy, the unborn baby requires a special hemoglobin, fetal hemoglobin (hemoglobin F), to carry oxygen from the mother's placenta. After birth, the baby requires another hemoglobin, adult hemoglobin (hemoglobin A), to carry atmospheric oxygen from the lungs. The change from fetal (F) hemoglobin to adult (A) hemoglobin occurs during the seventh month of pregnancy. Thus, the change in the baby's blood hemoglobin prepares the baby to live outside of the womb in the world, just as Jesus' blood sacrifice prepares the believer to live outside of Earth in Heaven.
7] TABERNACLES. The Feast of Tabernacles (Ingathering, Booths, Sukkot) began on the fifteenth day of the seventh month (Leviticus 23:33-43; Deuteronomy 16:13-15). This feast, commemorating the time the Israelites lived in camp huts during their journey through the wilderness to the Promised Land, was a time of joy and celebration for all that God had given His people.


KINGDOM. Immediately after the Tribulation, Jesus will return to Earth and establish His rule during the Millennial Kingdom (Isaiah 9:7; Revelation 20:4-6; etc.). During this time, Jesus will physically tabernacle (dwell) with His people on Earth. In other words, the Spirit of God will physically live on Earth.LUNGS. The unborn baby's lungs begin to develop sufficiently to breathe more efficiently after birth, during the seventh month of pregnancy. "Spirit" and "breath" are similar Biblical concepts: God blew His breath into Adam to bring him to life (Genesis 2:7). When the Holy Spirit descended upon believers at the birth of the Christian Church on the Day of Pentecost, one of the Spirit's manifestations was "the sound of a rushing wind" (Acts 2:2). The New Testament Greek word translated "wind" is pno-ay', which comes from the word pneh';-o, which means "to breathe hard."

8] CHANUKAH (HANUKKAH). The Feast of Dedication was not a Mosaic feast. This feast, prophesied in Daniel 8:9-14, commemorated the cleansing of the Temple after it was recaptured from the Seleucid Greeks (Antiochus IV, Epiphanes) by the Maccabeans in the Second Century B.C. This feast was celebrated after ten lunar cycles- or, 280 days (40 weeks)- into the Jewish year. Hanukkah today is represented by the nine-lamp Hanukkah menorah, which stands for victory and new life.


ETERNITY. After the Millennial Kingdom, which will be ruled by Jesus, New Jerusalem (Heaven) will descend to Earth, and here will God the Father and Jesus live with believers forever (Revelation 21:1 – 22:5). NOTE: Appreciate the significance of the Hanukkah miracle. There was only enough sanctified oil to light the Temple lamp for one day, but the oil miraculously lasted for eight days. Jesus is the Light of the world (John 8:12; etc.). One day to us is like one-thousand years to the Lord (Psalm 90:4; 2 Peter 3:8). Thus, eternity can be considered the "eighth day of creation," as follows: Days 1 through 4 represent the 4,000 years between Adam and Jesus' First Coming. Days 5 and 6 represent the 2,000 years between Jesus' First and Second Comings. Day 7 represents the Millennial Kingdom. Day 8 represents Eternity, which follows the Millennial Kingdom.ETERNAL LIFE. The baby is delivered (born) after approximately 280 days (40 weeks) of gestation. This baby is eternal because he or she possesses a soul. This soul will live forever- either in joy in Heaven or in torment in Hell.
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Re: Development of an unborn baby compared to Jewish Feasts
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2011, 12:10:00 PM »
ANCIENT FEASTS OF ISRAEL

JESUS' FULFILLMENT OF FEASTS BY HIS EARTHLY MINISTRYUNBORN BABY'S DEVELOPMENT PATTERNED AFTER FEASTS
PASSOVER. Passover occurred on the fourteenth day of the first month- the month of Abib or Nisan (Leviticus 23:5). Passover commemorated the salvation of Israelite children from death- through faith placed in the (Passover) lamb's blood- and the beginning of a new life in the Promised Land- as God used Moses to lead His people from bondage in Egypt.

NEW LIFE. God sent His Son, Jesus, to give all believers eternal life (John 3:16; etc.). Paul called Jesus our Passover Lamb (1 Corinthians 5:7). Any person who accepts by faith Jesus' blood sacrifice is given new life- an eternal life with Jesus in Heaven (John 3:1-21; etc.).OVULATION. If one counts the month a woman becomes pregnant as the first month of pregnancy, ovulation occurs on the fourteenth day of the first month. At ovulation, a new life is readied, requiring only the next step- fertilization.
UNLEAVENED BREAD. The Feast of Unleavened Bread began on the day following Passover (Leviticus 23:6). This feast commemorated the haste required by the Israelites as they left Egypt (the bread did not have time to rise) and also symbolized the need to remove leaven from the homes (leaven, or yeast, was a metaphor for sin).


THE SEED. Jesus was buried in less than one day after His crucifixion. The Seed (Jesus) was buried- or planted- in the tomb. Seed of any plant must be buried in soil before it can sprout and bear fruit. Our Seed, Jesus, was planted so that He could rise as the Firstfruits of resurrection (1 Corinthians 15:20-23; etc.), with the proof and promise that those who believe in Him would also be resurrected from death (James 1:18; etc.). Jesus had no leaven (sin) in Him.FERTILIZATION. Fertilization of the mother's egg (ovum) with the father's sperm- literally, planting of the father's seed- must occur within one day of ovulation, or that ovum disintegrates and pregnancy cannot occur that month.
FIRSTFRUITS. The Feast of Firstfruits began on Sunday following Passover (Leviticus 23:9-14), and could, therefore, occur on any date between two to six days after Passover. Celebration of Firstfruits involved waving a sheaf of the first harvested grain before God, and was a statement by God's people of faith in Him to provide for all their needs as well as an offering of thanksgiving for all He had provided.


JESUS' RESURRECTION. Jesus, our Bread of Life (John 6:35), rose from death on the third day after His crucifixion (John 24:7; etc.). The planted Seed literally rose to become the Firstfruits of resurrection (1 Corinthians 15:20-23), as a sign of His Divinity and a promise that believers in Him would also be raised from death to eternal life.IMPLANTATION. After fertilization, the fertilized ovum (egg) slowly moves through the fallopian tube into the cavity of the womb (uterus) for approximately two to six days, until it implants into the endometrium (the lining of the uterus) where it will be nourished and will develop until birth. At birth, the "fruit" of pregnancy comes forth- a baby with an eternal soul.
PENTECOST. The Festival of Weeks, Shavuot or Pentecost, occurred fifty days after Firstruits (Leviticus 23:15-16; Deuteronomy 16:9-10). This festival was an offering of new grain to God in thanksgiving for the summer grain harvest.


HARVEST. The Christian Church- the body of Jesus the Christ- began on the Day of Pentecost following Jesus' resurrection (John 14:16-20; Acts, Chapter 2; etc.). From this day forward, this Church would reap a great harvest of souls for God's Kingdom (Joel 2:28-29), with believers in Jesus being transformed into a new creation (2 Corintians 5:17; etc.).NEW CREATION (FETUS). As the implanted ovum continues to develop, he or she becomes recognizable with human-like features at approximately fifty days of gestation. From this time forward, the new creation becomes more human-like in appearance day after day until birth.
TRUMPETS. The Feast (Day) of Trumpets, Yom Teruah, occurred on the first day of the seventh* month, the month of Ethanim (or, Tishri) (Leviticus 23:23-25; Numbers 29:1-6). Trumpet blasts on this day acknowledged the presence of God in the land, announced the two major Holy Days to follow in the month, and signalled the finality of God's plan for the year's harvest. (*The number seven is symbolic of the completion of a work of God.)


BELIEVERS' RAPTURE/ RESURRECTION. Jesus will return in the clouds to resurrect dead believers and rapture (translate, snatch up) living believers, that they may be with Him forever in Heaven (Acts 1:11; 1 Corinthians 15:51-54; 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17; etc.). This event will be accompanied by the sound of God's trumpet and a shouted command for believers to come up to the Lord.HEARING. The unborn baby's hearing is fully developed by the seventh month of gestation, so that he or she can discriminate sounds, e.g,, the sounds of God's trumpet and the command to come up to the Lord.
ATONEMENT. The Day of Atonement, Yom Kippur, occured on the tenth day of the seventh month (Leviticus 23:26-32; Numbers 29:7-11). This solemn day for the atonement of the sins of the people through confession and repentance involved the shedding of blood from sacrificial animals. (NOTE: Two goats were sacrificed. Blood from the goat for the LORD was sprinkled on the mercy seat of the Ark of the Covenant, the goat for azazel [Hebrew: az-aw-zale']- the scapegoat, the goat of departure- took up the sins of the people and was removed from the community [to take away the sins] and killed [to never bring the sins back]. Thus, the goat for azazel symobolized God's promise to forgive and forget sin, after a sinner's confession and repentance.)


REDEMPTION. Surviving Zion (Israel) will be saved during the Tribulation, as Jews come to accept Jesus as their Messiah and Savior (Romans 11:26). Redemption from sin- for Jews and Gentiles alike- can occur only through personal acceptance of Jesus' blood sacrifice on the cross (Ephesians 1:7; Colossians 1:14; etc.). Like the symbolic goat for azazel, Jesus through His crucifixion (blood sacrifice) became the way He could take our sins upon Himself and remove them from us, if we confess and repent of the sins (Isaiah, Chapter 53; 2 Corinthians 5:21; Colossians 2:13-15; 1 Peter 2:24; etc.).BLOOD (HEMOGLOBIN A). Hemoglobin is the iron-containing protein in red blood cells which transports life-sustaining oxygen to the body's cells. During early pregnancy, the unborn baby requires a special hemoglobin, fetal hemoglobin (hemoglobin F), to carry oxygen from the mother's placenta. After birth, the baby requires another hemoglobin, adult hemoglobin (hemoglobin A), to carry atmospheric oxygen from the lungs. The change from fetal (F) hemoglobin to adult (A) hemoglobin occurs during the seventh month of pregnancy. Thus, the change in the baby's blood hemoglobin prepares the baby to live outside of the womb in the world, just as Jesus' blood sacrifice prepares the believer to live outside of Earth in Heaven.
TABERNACLES. The Feast of Tabernacles (Ingathering, Booths, Sukkot) began on the fifteenth day of the seventh month (Leviticus 23:33-43; Deuteronomy 16:13-15). This feast, commemorating the time the Israelites lived in camp huts during their journey through the wilderness to the Promised Land, was a time of joy and celebration for all that God had given His people.


KINGDOM. Immediately after the Tribulation, Jesus will return to Earth and establish His rule during the Millennial Kingdom (Isaiah 9:7; Revelation 20:4-6; etc.). During this time, Jesus will physically tabernacle (dwell) with His people on Earth. In other words, the Spirit of God will physically live on Earth.LUNGS. The unborn baby's lungs begin to develop sufficiently to breathe more efficiently after birth, during the seventh month of pregnancy. "Spirit" and "breath" are similar Biblical concepts: God blew His breath into Adam to bring him to life (Genesis 2:7). When the Holy Spirit descended upon believers at the birth of the Christian Church on the Day of Pentecost, one of the Spirit's manifestations was "the sound of a rushing wind" (Acts 2:2). The New Testament Greek word translated "wind" is pno-ay', which comes from the word pneh';-o, which means "to breathe hard."

CHANUKAH (HANUKKAH). The Feast of Dedication was not a Mosaic feast. This feast, prophesied in Daniel 8:9-14, commemorated the cleansing of the Temple after it was recaptured from the Seleucid Greeks (Antiochus IV, Epiphanes) by the Maccabeans in the Second Century B.C. This feast was celebrated after ten lunar cycles- or, 280 days (40 weeks)- into the Jewish year. Hanukkah today is represented by the nine-lamp Hanukkah menorah, which stands for victory and new life.


ETERNITY. After the Millennial Kingdom, which will be ruled by Jesus, New Jerusalem (Heaven) will descend to Earth, and here will God the Father and Jesus live with believers forever (Revelation 21:1 – 22:5). NOTE: Appreciate the significance of the Hanukkah miracle. There was only enough sanctified oil to light the Temple lamp for one day, but the oil miraculously lasted for eight days. Jesus is the Light of the world (John 8:12; etc.). One day to us is like one-thousand years to the Lord (Psalm 90:4; 2 Peter 3:8). Thus, eternity can be considered the "eighth day of creation," as follows: Days 1 through 4 represent the 4,000 years between Adam and Jesus' First Coming. Days 5 and 6 represent the 2,000 years between Jesus' First and Second Comings. Day 7 represents the Millennial Kingdom. Day 8 represents Eternity, which follows the Millennial Kingdom.ETERNAL LIFE. The baby is delivered (born) after approximately 280 days of gestation. This baby is eternal because he or she possesses a soul. This soul will live forever- either in joy in Heaven or in torment in Hell.
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« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2011, 03:49:07 PM »
How did the ancient Israelites figure all that out?   :happygrin:

I've often thought that the whole Bible, starting with Adam to Jesus, is the gestational development of the 8th day man.

Adam was created on the eigth day.

Now I'm wondering if our spiritual bodies go through a similar change to prepare for heaven.

What if we are just the gestational womb for our spirit bodies?

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« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2011, 04:06:11 PM »
What if we are just the gestational womb for our spirit bodies?
In that case you need to prove certain "links". If they exist they must be much diffrent from this article.
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« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2011, 04:14:29 PM »
 
   we are the gestational womb for our spiritual bodies. Our earth is the feild where spiritual seed is sown.  every plant not planted by the Father

   will be uprooted.

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« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2011, 04:17:21 PM »
What if we are just the gestational womb for our spirit bodies?
In that case you need to prove certain "links". If they exist they must be much diffrent from this article.
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Yes, although the pattern would be the same.



42So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

 43It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

 44It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

 45And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

 46Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

 47The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

 48As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

 49And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

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« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2011, 04:18:19 PM »

   we are the gestational womb for our spiritual bodies. Our earth is the feild where spiritual seed is sown.  every plant not planted by the Father

   will be uprooted.
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« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2011, 04:21:32 PM »
Saved by childbirth?

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« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2011, 04:24:47 PM »
Saved by childbirth?
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its the Birthing of the Manchild within, as HE LIVES not US~ Shalom~
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« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2011, 04:26:50 PM »
exactly!

     He is the first of many brothers..in His image....but collectively one man-child....Israel is my firstborn son

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« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2011, 04:40:41 PM »
"collectively one manchild"



Ah, so that means the tribe of Judah must be brought in before the manchild is complete.

That will happen at the end of the age [it's happening now].

We 'Gentiles' [the lost tribes] are premature births.

But, all the tribes must be brought in.

So all Israel will be saved.

as it is written: "The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob. [Rom 11:26]
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« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2011, 04:49:11 PM »
I edited my post a bit. I have placed a number before each development stage.
First thing to notice is there are 8 stages.
The 8th day is also the 1st day (and 7th)
Stage 1, impregation, is birth in the flesh.
Stage 8, birth, is rebirth/heaven.

One of the first things I did when I first landed on this forum was making a timeline of Jesus' life.
I admit being a little selective in what I use in this thread because in a whole life many events/feast happen several times, but there seems to be some connection.

Format:  <number> in the "baby list"  - Event in Jesus' life.
Some events aren't numbered and strickly speaking don't belong in this post. But perhaps there is a deeper connection...
The order of events is the same but the starting points different. Start at 4.


1] Passover - Death
2] Unleavend bread starts. Possibly Omer related activities. (7 day feast)
3] First Fruits (Omer) - Resurrection
4] Pentecost

Hanukah - 8 day feast of lights. Conception.
5] Birth - Feast of Trumpets.
6] Day of Atonnement - Circumcion.
7] Tabernacles - Baptism
8] Hanukah - 8 day feast of lights. Wedding at Cana.
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« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2011, 04:57:26 PM »
So 1 through 4 represents death of the physical body and birth of firstfruits?

And 5 through 8 represents the end of the age with the birthing of [the rest of] the corporate body?

The first [Judah] shall be last.

Then it will be complete.

I've always wondered why Jews who reject Jesus continue to identify themselves with the tribe of their Messiah.

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« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2011, 05:11:52 PM »
So 1 through 4 represents death of the physical body and birth of firstfruits?

And 5 through 8 represents the end of the age with the birthing of [the rest of] the corporate body?
It was the only thing I could think of that partly answered your question.
Now I'm wondering if our spiritual bodies go through a similar change to prepare for heaven.

What if we are just the gestational womb for our spirit bodies?
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« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2011, 05:17:31 PM »
Mmm, what if I say 8=1?

1] Passover - Death
8] Wedding at Cana.

Death starts the wedding. (believers are only betrothed)

Does that expose me as a heretic? :talkangry:
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Re: Development of an unborn baby compared to Jewish Feasts
« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2011, 05:20:57 PM »
Mmm, what if I say 8=1?

1] Passover - Death
8] Wedding at Cana.

Death starts the wedding. (believers are only betrothed)

Does that expose me as a heretic? :talkangry:

It exposes you as having more of an acquaintance with the Holy Spirit than you'd care to admit.  :winkgrin:

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Re: Development of an unborn baby compared to Jewish Feasts
« Reply #17 on: October 28, 2011, 05:23:19 PM »
call me a heretic,too, then,coz that's exactly how I see it ww

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Re: Development of an unborn baby compared to Jewish Feasts
« Reply #18 on: October 28, 2011, 05:25:14 PM »
 I wonader is that the reason Jesus told Mary..it is not yet my time? when wedding feast and water to wine

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Re: Development of an unborn baby compared to Jewish Feasts
« Reply #19 on: October 28, 2011, 05:30:52 PM »
Mmm, what if I say 8=1?

1] Passover - Death
8] Wedding at Cana.

Death starts the wedding. (believers are only betrothed)

Does that expose me as a heretic? :talkangry:

I've read the word Cana runs into Reed which runs into upright or righteous.
Cana ——> wedding of the Righteous!

It was not His time but He did it anyway, perhaps something Mary did convinced Him otherwise.
Is there a parallel for us to follow because I'm ready to go! NOW!



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Re: Development of an unborn baby compared to Jewish Feasts
« Reply #20 on: October 28, 2011, 05:34:29 PM »


The only thing that could be is that God is waiting for the Ark to fill—
so get inside WhiteWings so God can float this boat!

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Re: Development of an unborn baby compared to Jewish Feasts
« Reply #21 on: October 28, 2011, 05:35:59 PM »
   Cardinal told me,she asked Him why He did it,when it wasn't time.   reply was...to honour His Mother

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Re: Development of an unborn baby compared to Jewish Feasts
« Reply #22 on: October 28, 2011, 06:16:43 PM »
I wonader is that the reason Jesus told Mary..it is not yet my time? when wedding feast and water to wine
Genesis 49 [ACV]
11 Binding his foal to the vine, and his donkey's colt to the choice vine, he has washed his garments in wine, and his vesture in the blood of grapes.
===> Blood = wine

Luke 22 [ACV]
44 And having become in agony he prayed more intensely, and his sweat became like drops of blood falling down to the ground.

More correctly water/sweat mixed with blood. Hematohidrosis

John 19 [ACV]
34 But one of the soldiers pierced his side with a spear, and straightaway blood and water came out.


The Gospel of John states that he was already dead when he was stabbed in the side in order to make sure that he was dead, and that blood and water proceeded from the wound. [Actually, according to an ancient source, stabbing was a Roman post-mortem desecration "per custom" if anyone requested the body for burial.] This mixture is visible on the Shroud. It proceeded from the chest wound, and is actually more visible on the dorsal [back] image, where the blood flowed horizontally across the waist. Physicians agree that the Shroud image of the wound is consistent with the gospel statement that a Roman lance penetrated Jesus' heart. However, the experts have similar but somewhat differing explanations for the presence of the water as well as blood in the flow from the wound.

One view concerns the pericardium, the sac which surrounds the heart, and which contains a small amount of watery fluid. When the body undergoes great stress, as crucifixion would certainly entail, the amount of fluid increases and the sac expands. The Roman lance would then have passed through Jesus' pericardium and into the right side of his heart, which is filled with blood even after death. As the lance was withdrawn, it would draw out the blood from the heart and the watery fluid from the expanded pericardium.

Anthony Sava, an American physician, has a different explanation for the water flow. He believes that the severe scourging caused internal hemorrhaging in Jesus' chest, and the pleural cavity filled with blood. The blood settled on the bottom of the chest cavity while a clear liquid was left on top. Sava says that the Roman lance entered the chest and, upon being withdrawn, released the blood and the water from the chest.

Both of these views may be partially correct. The lance could have passed through the pleural cavity, through the pericardium and into the heart. The blood could have come both from the pleural cavity and from the right side of the heart, while the water could have come from both the upper chest cavity and from the pericardium. Indeed, this combination is the general view held by the German radiologist Moedder and by English physician David Willis.

The most probable thesis is that held by Bucklin, who agrees with Moedder and Willis that the lance pierced both the pleural cavity and the right side of the heart. He opposes Sava's theory that there was severe hemorrhaging in the chest, since the chest injuries were not severe enough. However, Bucklin agrees that most of the water proceeded from pleural effusion while most of the blood came from the right side of the heart.

The explanations for the blood and water flow are closely related at several points. All physicians who have examined the question agree that Jesus was already dead when the chest wound was inflicted. The blood and water most probably flowed from both the heart and the chest cavity.

1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: Development of an unborn baby compared to Jewish Feasts
« Reply #23 on: October 28, 2011, 06:27:54 PM »


The only thing that could be is that God is waiting for the Ark to fill—
so get inside WhiteWings so God can float this boat!
LOL!!!

it's starting to rain, ww.  we need to close the door.

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Re: Development of an unborn baby compared to Jewish Feasts
« Reply #24 on: October 28, 2011, 06:42:14 PM »
...IT was something Mary said 'do whatever He tells you to do",Beloved