Okay, Molly, for me, it's not carnal mind verses God . . .for me, it's carnality as a force . . .like . . . gravity . . .you can't see it but everyone is bound by it. Carnality for me, does to my "soul" what gravity does to my flesh. It binds you just by it's very nature. When I "feed" into it, then my mind "becomes" carnally driven, thus, it is my carnal mind that I speak of.
I think what Sheila was trying to point out was, we understand that the rich man and Lazarus is a parable that people have done the same as what you're doing with Job. They use "pieces" of the whole to build another doctrine that is indirectly connected to the original context. The story of Lazarus and the rich man is not meant to be the platform for one to build a doctrine on what hell is like any more than Job is. The context of Job was pertaining to faith.
Now, I will say this, in all of my demolition of old beliefs, the Job thing has always been one that hasn't been as crystal clear as other aspects to the topic of satan have been. Revelation of truth isn't an "on"/"off" switch that you can flip whenever you want a quick response or defense. I don't build my belief on who satan by what Scripture APPEARS to say anymore than I build my belief in who I am in Christ according to what "I THINK" Scripture says.
This entire thing is built on faith, not proof. So please keep that in mind when pressing in for "proof".
All I can say to this is, when we base our lives on the sound within us, it elevates us to see through grace rather than knowledge. And as such, everything has changed. I don't have all the answers to the appearances of what we "think" it is to be saying, but I do know from the perspective of grace that the serpent is not what we've been taught and neither is satan. By faith I've received that and by faith I intend to grow deeper into the maturity of these things so that continual understanding of the gray areas as you're into now will eventually become clear.