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A Slightly Weird 12/25 Present for You All...
« on: December 14, 2012, 05:34:41 PM »
Santa is a mushroom shaman - I tried a link, but it did not go right to the article I wanted to show, so I'm quoting the whole thing:

The psychedelic secrets of Santa Claus
Modern Christmas traditions are based on ancient mushroom-using shamans.
By Dana Larsen


Although most people see Christmas as a Christian holiday, many of the symbols and icons we associate with Christmas celebrations are actually derived from the shamanistic traditions of the tribal peoples of pre-Christian Northern Europe.

The sacred mushroom of these people was the red and white amanita muscaria mushroom, also known as "fly agaric." These mushrooms are now commonly seen in books of fairy tales, and are usually associated with magic and fairies. This is because they contain potent hallucinogenic compounds, and were used by ancient peoples for insight and transcendental experiences.

Most of the major elements of the modern Christmas celebration, such as Santa Claus, Christmas trees, magical reindeer and the giving of gifts, are originally based upon the traditions surrounding the harvest and consumption of these most sacred mushrooms.

The world tree

These ancient peoples, including the Lapps of modern-day Finland, and the Koyak tribes of the central Russian steppes, believed in the idea of a World Tree. The World Tree was seen as a kind of cosmic axis, onto which the planes of the universe are fixed. The roots of the World Tree stretch down into the underworld, its trunk is the "middle earth" of everyday existence, and its branches reach upwards into the heavenly realm.

The North Star was also considered sacred, since all other stars in the sky revolved around its fixed point. They associated this "Pole Star" with the World Tree and the central axis of the universe. The top of the World Tree touched the North Star, and the spirit of the shaman would climb the metaphorical tree, thereby passing into the realm of the gods. This is the true meaning of the star on top of the modern Christmas tree, and also the reason that the super-shaman Santa makes his home at the North Pole.

The amanita muscaria mushrooms grow only under certain types of trees, mostly firs and evergreens. The mushroom caps are the fruit of the larger mycelium beneath the soil which exists in a symbiotic relationship with the roots of the tree. To ancient people, these mushrooms were literally "the fruit of the tree."

Ancient peoples were amazed at how these magical mushrooms sprang from the earth without any visible seed. They considered this "virgin birth" to have been the result of the morning dew, which was seen as the semen of the deity. The silver tinsel we drape onto our modern Christmas tree represents this divine fluid.

Reindeer games

The active ingredients of the amanita mushrooms are not metabolized by the body, and so they remain active in the urine. In fact, it is safer to drink the urine of one who has consumed the mushrooms than to eat the mushrooms directly, as many of the toxic compounds are processed and eliminated on the first pass through the body.

It was common practice among ancient people to recycle the potent effects of the mushroom by drinking each other's urine. The amanita's ingredients can remain potent even after six passes through the human body. Some scholars argue that this is the origin of the phrase "to get pissed," as this urine-drinking activity preceded alcohol by thousands of years.

Reindeer were the sacred animals of these semi-nomadic people, as the reindeer provided food, shelter, clothing and other necessities. Reindeer are also fond of eating the amanita mushrooms; they will seek them out, then prance about while under their influence. Often the urine of tripped-out reindeer would be consumed for its psychedelic effects.

This effect goes the other way too, as reindeer also enjoy the urine of a human, especially one who has consumed the mushrooms. In fact, reindeer will seek out human urine to drink, and some tribesmen carry sealskin containers of their own collected piss, which they use to attract stray reindeer back into the herd.

The effects of the amanita mushroom usually include sensations of size distortion and flying. The feeling of flying could account for the legends of flying reindeer, and legends of shamanic journeys included stories of winged reindeer, transporting their riders up to the highest branches of the World Tree.

Santa Claus, super shaman

Although the modern image of Santa Claus was created at least in part by the advertising department of Coca-Cola, in truth his appearance, clothing, mannerisms and companions all mark him as the reincarnation of these ancient mushroom-gathering shamans.

One of the side effects of eating amanita mushrooms is that the skin and facial features take on a flushed, ruddy glow. This is why Santa is always shown with glowing red cheeks and nose. Even Santa's jolly "Ho, ho, ho!" is the euphoric laugh of one who has indulged in the magic fungus.

Santa also dresses like a mushroom gatherer. When it was time to go out and harvest the magical mushrooms, the ancient shamans would dress much like Santa, wearing red and white fur-trimmed coats and long black boots.

These peoples lived in dwellings made of birch and reindeer hide, called "yurts." Somewhat similar to a teepee, the yurt's central smokehole is often also used as an entrance. After gathering the mushrooms from under the sacred trees where they appeared, the shamans would fill their sacks and return home. Climbing down the chimney-entrances, they would share out the mushroom's gifts with those within.

The amanita mushroom needs to be dried before being consumed; the drying process reduces the mushroom's toxicity while increasing its potency. The shaman would guide the group in stringing the mushrooms and hanging them around the hearth-fire to dry. This tradition is echoed in the modern stringing of popcorn and other items.

The psychedelic journeys taken under the influence of the amanita were also symbolized by a stick reaching up through the smokehole in the top of the yurt. The smokehole was the portal where the spirit of the shaman exited the physical plane.

Santa's famous magical journey, where his sleigh takes him around the whole planet in a single night, is developed from the "heavenly chariot," used by the gods from whom Santa and other shamanic figures are descended. The chariot of Odin, Thor and even the Egyptian god Osiris is now known as the Big Dipper, which circles around the North Star in a 24-hour period.

In different versions of the ancient story, the chariot was pulled by reindeer or horses. As the animals grow exhausted, their mingled spit and blood falls to the ground, forming the amanita mushrooms.

St Nicholas and Old Nick

Saint Nicholas is a legendary figure who supposedly lived during the fourth Century. His cult spread quickly and Nicholas became the patron saint of many varied groups, including judges, pawnbrokers, criminals, merchants, sailors, bakers, travelers, the poor, and children.

Most religious historians agree that St Nicholas did not actually exist as a real person, and was instead a Christianized version of earlier Pagan gods. Nicholas' legends were mainly created out of stories about the Teutonic god called Hold Nickar, known as Poseidon to the Greeks. This powerful sea god was known to gallop through the sky during the winter solstice, granting boons to his worshippers below.

When the Catholic Church created the character of St Nicholas, they took his name from "Nickar" and gave him Poseidon's title of "the Sailor." There are thousands of churches named in St Nicholas' honor, most of which were converted from temples to Poseidon and Hold Nickar. (As the ancient pagan deities were demonized by the Christian church, Hold Nickar's name also became associated with Satan, known as "Old Nick!")

Local traditions were incorporated into the new Christian holidays to make them more acceptable to the new converts. To these early Christians, Saint Nicholas became a sort of "super-shaman" who was overlaid upon their own shamanic cultural practices. Many images of Saint Nicholas from these early times show him wearing red and white, or standing in front of a red background with white spots, the design of the amanita mushroom.

St Nicholas also adopted some of the qualities of the legendary "Grandmother Befana" from Italy, who filled children's stockings with gifts. Her shrine at Bari, Italy, became a shrine to St Nicholas.

Modern world, ancient traditions

Some psychologists have discussed the "cognitive dissonance" which occurs when children are encouraged to believe in the literal existence of Santa Claus, only to have their parents' lie revealed when they are older. By so deceiving our children we rob them of a richer heritage, for the actual origin of these ancient rituals is rooted deep in our history and our collective unconscious. By better understanding the truths within these popular celebrations, we can better understand the modern world, and our place in it.

Many people in the modern world have rejected Christmas as being too commercial, claiming that this ritual of giving is actually a celebration of materialism and greed. Yet the true spirit of this winter festival lies not in the exchange of plastic toys, but in celebrating a gift from the earth: the fruiting top of a magical mushroom, and the revelatory experiences it can provide.

[Laz further comments]:

You might also enjoy the movie Rare Exports, which presents us with the evil, primeval, child-eating Santa of old myth and legend.

Santa = Satan ???  Same letters, different order.
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Socrates taught Plato.  Plato taught Aristotle.  Aristotle tutored the son of Philip of Macedon.  This boy grew up to become Alexander the Great, largely by slaughtering a lot of people.  That's philosophy.

Jesus spoke the Truth.  He blessed the poor.  He healed the sick.  He even raised the dead.  He died on a cross for us, lived again, and came back long enough to tell us to love one another.  That's religion.

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Re: A Slightly Weird 12/25 Present for You All...
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2012, 07:36:58 PM »
Here we go.  And to think we almost made it to Dec 25th without someone slandering Christmas.

Ok, I know I am going to have to give up Christmas in favor of the feasts of the Lord some day.  But who am I supposed to celebrate the feasts with since none of the anti-Christmas folks even know about the feasts?

I realized this year that what I love and have always loved about Christmas is that it is a celebration of Tabernacles.  Even though the season is wrong [Tabernacles is in the fall] the celebration for me [even as a child] denoted our God coming to earth and tabernacling among us:

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

--John 1


So, until you anti-Christmas folk are ready to celebrate the true time of the birth of Christ, I will celebrate it where I find it with those who will celebrate it with me, which is the entire Christian world.


Is the birth of Christ worth giving presents over?  If that's what you want to do, go for it!  The Christ child was God's gift to the whole world.  It's certainly worth a feast or two.  Trees, lights, song, and joy in any form--I say, bring it on!



And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.--Heb 1:6


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« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2012, 10:10:13 PM »
I know where you're coming from, Molly, but I think we, well, most of us, as Christians, have been carrying pagan baggage of one kind or another for so long, we don't know what we SHOULD be carrying.  I would happily celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles if I knew when and how, if only to know the Bible better thru it.  I did not mean to tapdance on your holidays, but I try to make people aware.  You know:  The truth points to itself. :declare:
Socrates taught Plato.  Plato taught Aristotle.  Aristotle tutored the son of Philip of Macedon.  This boy grew up to become Alexander the Great, largely by slaughtering a lot of people.  That's philosophy.

Jesus spoke the Truth.  He blessed the poor.  He healed the sick.  He even raised the dead.  He died on a cross for us, lived again, and came back long enough to tell us to love one another.  That's religion.

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« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2012, 10:19:35 PM »
I don't think you were around the past few Christmases Laz.  It's been kind of a hot topic in the past.   :sweat:

 No real harm.  Just varying views.  :Peace2:
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« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2012, 10:22:55 PM »
I don't think you were around the past few Christmases Laz.  It's been kind of a hot topic in the past.   :sweat:

 No real harm.  Just varying views.  :Peace2:

Am I "pwned"?
Socrates taught Plato.  Plato taught Aristotle.  Aristotle tutored the son of Philip of Macedon.  This boy grew up to become Alexander the Great, largely by slaughtering a lot of people.  That's philosophy.

Jesus spoke the Truth.  He blessed the poor.  He healed the sick.  He even raised the dead.  He died on a cross for us, lived again, and came back long enough to tell us to love one another.  That's religion.

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« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2012, 12:09:57 AM »
Shrooms & urine :doh:. Wow. Merry xmas. I will never look at eggnog the same again.
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« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2012, 12:12:01 AM »
No real harm.  Just varying views.   :Peace2:

Am I "pwned"?

Not at all.  Just trying to help.  I peaced you out man.   :laugh:

Between now and the 25th I'm sure there'll be more discussion.  (but I'm not buying any of you any presents).   :Peck:
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« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2012, 02:28:38 AM »
I peaced you out man. 

Ha!  Ha!  That's right up there with "Hey man, ya got any papers?"  :laughing7: :laughing7: :laughing7: :laughing7: :laughing7:
Socrates taught Plato.  Plato taught Aristotle.  Aristotle tutored the son of Philip of Macedon.  This boy grew up to become Alexander the Great, largely by slaughtering a lot of people.  That's philosophy.

Jesus spoke the Truth.  He blessed the poor.  He healed the sick.  He even raised the dead.  He died on a cross for us, lived again, and came back long enough to tell us to love one another.  That's religion.

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« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2012, 02:48:28 AM »
 :icon_jokercolor:IMO.Let's keep Christ out of Xmas. It wasn't his birthday, the wise men did not give gifts to each other, there was no tree or reindeer and "old Nick" (the devil)Satan Clause and one of the most damnable teachings of all time - God loves you if you're "good" and you'd better watch out if you've been bad. :Chinscratch: Follow the money trail for why Xmas is what it is.
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« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2012, 08:01:42 AM »
Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,

2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.

3 When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him.

4 And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born.

5 And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet,

6 And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel.

7 Then Herod, when he had privily called the wise men, enquired of them diligently what time the star appeared.

8 And he sent them to Bethlehem, and said, Go and search diligently for the young child; and when ye have found him, bring me word again, that I may come and worship him also.

9 When they had heard the king, they departed; and, lo, the star, which they saw in the east, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was.

10 When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceeding great joy.

11 And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense and myrrh.

--Mat 2



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QxYjr88oHg



"wise men"

G3097
μάγος
magos
mag'-os
Of foreign origin [H7248]; a Magian, that is, Oriental scientist; by implication a magician: - sorcerer, wise man.



Told to watch for the star by Daniel 500 years earlier, no doubt.
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« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2012, 04:32:06 PM »
The book of Esther is the only place (that I know of) that describe gifts being given to someone other than God or the King.

Esther 9:19
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So those who live in the country and small villages celebrate Purim on the 14th day of Adar. They keep the 14th day as a happy day of feasting. On this day they have parties and give presents to each other.
 
Esther 9:22
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They were to celebrate those days because on those days the Jews got rid of their enemies. And they were also to celebrate that month as the month when their sadness was turned into joy. It was a month when their crying was changed into a day of celebration. Mordecai wrote letters to all the Jews and told them to celebrate those days as a happy day of feasting. They should have parties, give gifts to each other, and give presents to the poor.
 
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« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2012, 04:37:55 PM »
I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive.


"And I have shown you everything, that thus it is necessary to labor and to take care of those who are weak and to remember the words of our Lord Yeshua, who said, 'He who gives is more blessed than he who receives.'

--Acts 20:35

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« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2012, 04:49:42 PM »
Molly, isn't that because a person that is able to give is more blessed than a person that is only able to receive?
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« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2012, 06:06:06 PM »
There is such a fine line between the spirit of giving and the spirit of getting. The Father gave Jesus. Jesus gave all.
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« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2012, 08:05:11 PM »
Shrooms & urine :doh:. Wow. Merry xmas. I will never look at eggnog the same again.

 :rolllol: Ahahahaha!!:

Seriously though that article seems a bit too whacked out to be true...
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« Reply #15 on: December 17, 2012, 01:55:46 AM »
agreed
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« Reply #16 on: December 18, 2012, 12:54:16 AM »
These two websites say Jesus was born on Aug 22 or Sep 11 3BC, based on statements in Luke etc.
http://petragrail.tripod.com/page5.html
http://www.cortright.org/birth.htm
In either case, it looks like Jesus was born in the sign of Virgo, the Virgin. Maybe that's what was meant by the prophecy that the savior would be born of a virgin.

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« Reply #17 on: December 18, 2012, 01:45:05 AM »
or... it could be a sign that Jesus was born of a virgin.
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« Reply #18 on: December 18, 2012, 01:53:21 AM »
OR MAYBE GOD TESTIFIED WITH A SIGN IN HEAVEN THAT HE WAS BORN OF A VIRGIN AND NOT THE

  WILL OF A MAN..AND GIVE SIGN ON EARTH TOO..'THIS WILL BE A SIGN TO YOU,YOU WILL FIND

  A BABY WRAPPED IN CLOTHS AND LYING IN A MANGER'  SIGNS IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH

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« Reply #19 on: December 18, 2012, 02:18:53 AM »
or... it could be a sign that Jesus was born of a virgin.

I vote for that one :o)
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« Reply #20 on: December 18, 2012, 06:06:31 PM »
I'm still laughing from last Dec. :laughing7: :laughing7:
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« Reply #21 on: December 18, 2012, 06:19:46 PM »
I'm still laughing from last Dec. :laughing7: :laughing7:

I hesitate to ask...

Given the posts on this thread about signs in the heavens, there is something quite interesting in the Gospels.  Jesus sent a couple of disciples into town to find a place to have the Passover Supper.  They were told to look for a man carrying a water jar in his head.  It's a perfect picture of Aquarius, and early in the Age of Pices too...  I can't help but think this looks forward to a greater Supper to be held in the Age of Aquarius - maybe the Wedding Supper of the Lamb?
Socrates taught Plato.  Plato taught Aristotle.  Aristotle tutored the son of Philip of Macedon.  This boy grew up to become Alexander the Great, largely by slaughtering a lot of people.  That's philosophy.

Jesus spoke the Truth.  He blessed the poor.  He healed the sick.  He even raised the dead.  He died on a cross for us, lived again, and came back long enough to tell us to love one another.  That's religion.

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« Reply #22 on: December 18, 2012, 06:55:04 PM »
or... it could be a sign that Jesus was born of a virgin.

I vote for that one :o)

Ditto. :dsunny:
Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.