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Conversations Concerning Conversion of the Soul
« on: October 02, 2012, 12:50:38 AM »
The Spirit of the LORD will control you, you will prophesy with them, and you will be transformed into a different person.

My goal is to know Him and the power of His resurrection and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death,  assuming that I will somehow reach the resurrection from among the dead.
 Not that I have already reached the goal or am already fully mature, but I make every effort to take hold of it because I also have been taken hold of by Christ Jesus.
 Brothers, I do not consider myself to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and reaching forward to what is ahead, 14 I pursue as my goal the prize promised by God's heavenly call in Christ Jesus. Therefore, all who are mature should think this way. And if you think differently about anything, God will reveal this also to you.  In any case, we should live up to whatever truth we have attained.
Join in imitating me, brothers, and observe those who live according to the example you have in us. For I have often told you, and now say again with tears, that many live as enemies of the cross of Christ.  Their end is destruction; their god is their stomach; their glory is in their shame. They are focused on earthly things,  but our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ. He will transform the body of our humble condition into the likeness of His glorious body, by the power that enables Him to subject everything to Himself.


But since My servant Caleb has a different spirit and has followed Me completely, I will bring him into the land where he has gone, and his descendants will inherit it.


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Re: Conversations Concerning Conversion of the Soul
« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2012, 01:01:01 AM »
Conversion of the soul? :dontknow:
Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

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Re: Conversations Concerning Conversion of the Soul
« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2012, 01:06:49 AM »
Conversations Concerning Conversion of the Soul

I believe my soul is in this earthbound realm to be trained by my Spirit.
I believe that my flesh has been training my soul since birth.
I believe that at a certain stage of development my soul requires
information that my flesh, no matter how hard it tries can't give my soul.

The search is on.
My soul is relentless the more it knows the limitations' of the flesh
the hungrier my soul gets.

My soul finds out that the way it has a personal body.
That it also has a personal Spirit.
My Spirit has convinced my soul that it has unlimited access to
information.
My Spirit says that it can talk to and ask any question it wants.
It asks and talks to the HOLY SPIRIT.

My flesh says to my soul give it some proof that the information the
the Spirit gives you is true.
My soul asks the Spirit for proof to shut the flesh up.
My Spirit says that I simply need faith to start with.
My flesh laughed saying see I told you there was no proof.
My Spirit said come on its not hard to have faith give it a try.
My soul tried faith and liked it.
My soul and flesh agreed that my Spirit did have some proof.
My Soul was happier now that it had a flesh and a Spirit.
Soon though my soul was disturbed and not at peace at all.
My Spirit and flesh were constantly fighting each other.
My flesh said throw the Spirit out we were so happy together
before your Spirit decided to wake up.
Look how, now he is growing out of control .
The flesh said to my soul kill the Spirit.
I told my flesh I kind of like the Spirit and he gives me information
that the flesh never gave me.
So I declared to my flesh that I would never kill or fore sake the Spirit.
I had just made my declaration and the Spirit said that he would share a secrete
 that the HOLY SPIRIT of GOD had told him.

Not to worry about the flesh trying kill my Spirit because the flesh was already dead.
My soul was in mourning for my flesh.
My Spirit comforted me with words of eternal significances.
My Spirit told me more and more that it was going to be and
that I as soul will live for ever .
As my flesh was my identity in this earth realm
my Spirit will be my identity for ever.

My spirit said that while we are in this earth realm it would be the new
source of all information my soul would need to make decisions.
That my Spirit would be now driving and the flesh was just along for the ride.
My flesh felt sorry for itself and said in a less than dignified voice
"what about me what am I supposed to do"
I asked my Spirit about this and he said "Well!, we are on the way to his funeral.
We will distract him so that he won't be so meloncually. We will work together
on all the short term and long term commitments' that he has made.
But tell him that he is no longer allowed to make any more commitments
and if he does we will not honor them."
This seemed to please the flesh as he hears everything my soul hears.
My flesh said to my Soul I am going to work real hard you'll see that I am of some value.
My spirit actually agreed with my flesh in a real way for the first time ever
and that made me the soul feel at peace.
 My spirit and my soul finally have a working relationship.
My spirit lets my flesh or should I say encourages my flesh to do that which God
 has created it to do, and that is work.
So while my flesh is busy working , my Spirit has more and more time
to show me the kingdom of God .
When we first entered it I had to have faith in my Spirit to enter
and my spirit had faith in Jesus Christs Spirit.

Now that I have been there. I know it is real and I am now patiently
waiting for the flesh to finish off his commitments.

Then I will__________

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Re: Conversations Concerning Conversion of the Soul
« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2012, 01:33:22 AM »
OK
Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

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Re: Conversations Concerning Conversion of the Soul
« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2012, 06:17:11 PM »
LOVE :dsunny:

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Re: Conversations Concerning Conversion of the Soul
« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2012, 06:21:47 PM »
True LOVE is the outward manifestation,
of the inward changes happening my soul.
While were in this earth realm or in the kingdom of God .
The truth protects LOVE.

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Re: Conversations Concerning Conversion of the Soul
« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2012, 02:21:57 AM »
"The truth protects LOVE."      The Truth IS Love.
Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

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Re: Conversations Concerning Conversion of the Soul
« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2012, 02:42:00 AM »
The truth protects LOVE.
Disconnect love even more by adding justice to the mix and ET gets a foot on the ground.
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: Conversations Concerning Conversion of the Soul
« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2012, 05:04:46 AM »
The truth protects LOVE.
Disconnect love even more by adding justice to the mix and ET gets a foot on the ground.

Love through the truth is always just.
You are already justified to tell the truth in Love.
The truth is that love is always justified.
Justice that seeks the truth, finds Love   

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Re: Conversations Concerning Conversion of the Soul
« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2012, 06:21:06 AM »
What are you attempting to say? I, just me, ain't getting it, but then it's just me.
Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

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Re: Conversations Concerning Conversion of the Soul
« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2012, 08:35:59 AM »
I think it's not you Micah. Your statement a few posts back was/is correct.
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: Conversations Concerning Conversion of the Soul
« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2012, 09:52:21 AM »
I"m not saying I understand everything that's being proposed in this thread.  But as a quick observation, sometimes for me, ruling out one definition or description to only allow room for one other specific definition or description as the correct one, and by doing so indicate the other is wrong, just doesn't work.

For instance;  God is love, right?

But God also loves.  God teaches love.  God shares love.  God gives love.  God loves love.  God accepts love.  God radiates love.  God creates love.  God models love.  God believes in love.  God delights in love. 

Do we say all those things are inaccurate and insist on only one definition and description, based on the fact that God IS love?  I don't.  IMO, a consideration needs to be the context, meaning, and intent, etc.    ::2c:

So I believe while it can be true that "truth is love", I also believe it could be true that "truth protects love".  So to my way of thinking, the point is - "what's the point"?   :laughing7:
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Neither should there be vulgar speech, foolish talk, or coarse jesting--all of which are out of character--but rather thanksgiving.  Eph. 5:4  **  Saved 1John 3.2, Eph. 2:8, John 1:12 - Being saved 2Cor. 4:16 2Peter 3:18 - Will be saved 1Peter 1:5 Romans 8:23

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Re: Conversations Concerning Conversion of the Soul
« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2012, 11:24:36 AM »
But as a quick observation, sometimes for me, ruling out one definition or description to only allow room for one other specific definition or description as the correct one, and by doing so indicate the other is wrong, just doesn't work.

For instance;  God is love, right?

But God also loves.  God teaches love.  God shares love.  God gives love.  God loves love.  God accepts love.  God radiates love.  God creates love.  God models love.  God believes in love.  God delights in love. 

Do we say all those things are inaccurate and insist on only one definition and description, based on the fact that God IS love?  I don't.
They are not wrong but, imo, express a lesser form of "is".
An added extra. 

1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: Conversations Concerning Conversion of the Soul
« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2012, 11:45:29 AM »
Yes, that's a good point.  I don't know if dajo's point is helped, or if it's not important at all to what he's getting at, to distinguish between truth protects love and truth is love.  I'm not sure what his ultimate point is, but 'truth protects love' might just make his point exactly as he intends.  But maybe there's more 'splainin' to do for us to really understand (for you internationals, 'splainin' [explaining] is what Ricky said to Lucy in the I Love Lucy Show :).
Neither should there be vulgar speech, foolish talk, or coarse jesting--all of which are out of character--but rather thanksgiving.  Eph. 5:4  **  Saved 1John 3.2, Eph. 2:8, John 1:12 - Being saved 2Cor. 4:16 2Peter 3:18 - Will be saved 1Peter 1:5 Romans 8:23

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Re: Conversations Concerning Conversion of the Soul
« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2012, 05:22:33 PM »
Love IS God, God IS love. For me just the word Love is sufficient, the word love in a of itself entails....

"But God also loves.  God teaches love.  God shares love.  God gives love.  God loves love.  God accepts love.  God radiates love.  God creates love.  God models love.  God believes in love.  God delights in love." 
Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

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Re: Conversations Concerning Conversion of the Soul
« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2012, 05:56:48 PM »
Interesting stuff Daj. Will have to take time out to read it properyl though. But I agree that there is a difference between soul and spirit and also recently I better understand the conversation that takes place. A prophet I listen to also made this statement.

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Re: Conversations Concerning Conversion of the Soul
« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2012, 06:49:58 PM »
The world thinks that it knows love and can find it
and keep it and hand it out as it wills.

The world does not know LOVE.
The closes they can get to it is by seeking truth.
When they find truth (Jesus is the TRUTH)
They find love and an unlimited source of love that overwhelms you.

Hears a riddle there where three people you traveled to a foreign place.
One of them read a book about the leader of that place.
1,2 and 3.
3 got in trouble for saying something disrespectful to the leader.
He did not know what he had done and was told to apologies
He refused and was tortured.

 #3 told #2 that he #3 got in trouble for saying something disrespectful to the leader.
He did not know what he had done and was told to apologies
He refused and was tortured.

They said to #2 you must apologies and #2 said" yes I will right away".
He wanted to avoid torture he is a ( wimp=dajo)

#1 got along really good with the leader and his family.

For them to leave this place (and the majority were anxious to leave) 

All three had to sign a document that they loved the leader,
 or else they would be killed!!
All three signed that they LOVED the leader.
They found out when they got back home that a copy of the signed letter.
Was given to the home crowd and leaders and they were really impressed and gave the men everything they wanted. The men Loved their new fame.
AS they toured around receiving fantastic gifts and adoration for being Lovers of the foreign leader.

Which #1#2or #3 Loved the foreign leader.
 

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Re: Conversations Concerning Conversion of the Soul
« Reply #17 on: October 11, 2012, 01:46:16 PM »
Daj, I liked how you describe the battle between the flesh and the spirit with the soul in the middle trying to figure it out. I also liked how you pointed out that faith without proof feels like an absurdity to the flesh. I often feel this same tug of war. It is as if God challenges me--can you believe even though it goes against what you see, what you experience? It can feel like a precipice and without the help of the Spirit I will not jump. At present I stand there. God grant me the gift of faith to believe. I want to experience God in a life transforming way, but I do not have control of that. I stand at the edge of the cliff with the sound of the wind in my ears and ask God, "where are You?"

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Re: Conversations Concerning Conversion of the Soul
« Reply #18 on: October 11, 2012, 01:54:50 PM »
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God grant me the gift of faith to believe. I want to experience God in a life transforming way

Luke 11
9 "So I say to you: Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 10 For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.

11 "Which of you fathers, if your son asks for a fish, will give him a snake instead? 12 Or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion? 13 If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!"


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Re: Conversations Concerning Conversion of the Soul
« Reply #19 on: October 11, 2012, 02:03:32 PM »
Thanks for that reply. I will meditate on this.

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« Reply #20 on: October 11, 2012, 10:41:12 PM »
"A man convinced against his will, is of the same opinion still"
Sorta like the father with 2 sons that told his one son to do a chore.
The first son said "I'll do it" but then went off and did not do it.
The second son said, "I won't do it" but changed his mind and later that same day did it.
The second son did the will of the father.
Jesus said, "If you love me, you will obey me."
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« Reply #21 on: October 12, 2012, 08:58:54 AM »
Salvation's working is neither by assertive or receptive states of the soul.  Whether we aggressively fight against wrongs in the heart and mind, or passively ignore those wrongs, we cannot thereby obtain freedom from sin.  We are saved by grace.  God's working (that cannot result from anything we do or do not do) is what grace is.  That is how we are "saved" from sin's power:  by grace through faith.  Faith is not a labor of the mind to think only approved thoughts.  It is a faith in accordance with grace.  Salvation is freely given and freely received, not of works.  It is worked by God in such a way that He receives the praise for it and the human recipient is displayed as not to be given the credit.
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Re: Conversations Concerning Conversion of the Soul
« Reply #22 on: October 12, 2012, 03:19:30 PM »
 :goodpost:

I just recently found that out by experience. Like Card said, it takes us awhile to realize that  it's not about us lol.
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Re: Conversations Concerning Conversion of the Soul
« Reply #23 on: October 12, 2012, 05:47:33 PM »
 for Deena..regarding where are you?  this is the cry of the bride..the only daughter of her Mother[Jerusalem above]

   SOS 1;7  Tell me,you whom I love, where you graze your flock,and where you rest your sheep

  at mid-day[highest light]

   why should I be like a veiled woman?...this is 'her" who seeks Him out.."..I will be found of you..when

  you seek me with your whole heart" veiled is like a prostitute that commits fornication


    If you do Not know, Most Beautiful of women..what makes her the Most beautiful of women?[  this.....

  all day long He held His arms out to a stubborn and rejecting people..and here is someone seeking

  after Him with her whole heart]

    we will make you earrings of gold..studded with silver= she shall hear the voice of her shepherd and follow none

    other

   Follow the tracks of the sheep[that have followed their shepherd] and graze your young goats..by the tent

  of the shepherd/ Holy spirit.} she is dark like the tents of Kedar[which are made of black goats hair]

   He alone shall unveil her darkness[lack of understanding] and give her Highest light of Day/rest in Him

   

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« Reply #24 on: October 12, 2012, 06:09:42 PM »
Please let me 'clarify' the above post..that you not think it in opposition..to reformers and a 'work' on the brides

  churches/part......

    Daughters of Jerusalem..I charge you..do Not arouse or awaken 'LOVE" until it so desires... love is the spirit

  and 'quickens' causes 'desire' for both the beloved and the Lover.   It can Not be artificially stimulated...

    but occurrs when He choses[I will woo her"  through the operation of love/grace


  SOS 1  it begins with   'let Him kiss me with the kisses of His mouth- for your love

  i8s more delightful than wine"