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Re: Confession~
« Reply #25 on: November 04, 2011, 07:59:27 AM »
I do not believe taking offense and getting hurt are the same thing. I think taking offense is one way to respond to getting hurt. Taking offense means what it reads. TAKING OFFENSE, in other words- we hold onto an offense in one or more of several ways, such as unforgiveness/bitterness, responding agressively and judgmentally to those who "offend" us, "making an issue" of something we should let go by with forbearance and understanding. Ouur point of view is not so important as we think it is. When our ego is mixed up in what we believe, our self esteem intertwined with what we think we kno, offenses abound because they are unavoidable- we are holding our revelation in the flesh.

If I am getting hurt I can go to God and/or my trusted counselors/friends and wrestle with it until wisdom comes. If I "take offense" I have already given the highest counsel to my flesh. One of the things that keeps us apart as believers is that we are so easily offended. It is the surest evidence of immaturity.

2Ti 2:24-26  The Lord's bond-servant must not be quarrelsome, but be kind to all, able to teach, patient when wronged,
with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition, if perhaps God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the truth,  and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, having been held captive by him to do his will.

Jas 3:13-18  Who among you is wise and understanding? Let him show by his good behavior his deeds in the gentleness of wisdom.  (14)  But if you have bitter jealousy and selfish ambition in your heart, do not be arrogant and so lie against the truth.  (15)  This wisdom is not that which comes down from above, but is earthly, natural, demonic.  (16)  For where jealousy and selfish ambition exist, there is disorder and every evil thing.  (17)  But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, reasonable, full of mercy and good fruits, unwavering, without hypocrisy.  (18)  And the seed whose fruit is righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.

Taking offense leads to fighting evil with evil, flesh with flesh. We are to overcome evil with good, so certainly, within the house of faith, where the issue is not so much evil vs evil, but rather differing points of view- we ought to be able to carry on a discourse without judgmental invectives and condescending attitudes towards those who disagree with us. The anger of man does not accomplish the righteousness of God.

I am not saying we are to be Mr. Spock either :o). We get hurt, we bleed, we cry, we get angry- but let that anger be without sin and let me not become the center of my pain. If our will is "centered in our spirit" then the water of life will come out when we get "squeezed". If our will is centered in our mind, there will be a conduit to the flesh and when we get squeezed the flesh will come out. When Jesus was crucified all that came out of him was blood, water and spirit.
Our goal(high and seemingly impossible as it might seem) is to emulate him, being partakers of the divine nature, born from above by an incorruptible seed unto a sincere love of the brethren.

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Re: Confession~
« Reply #26 on: November 04, 2011, 04:40:02 PM »
Beautiful post :HeartThrob:

   

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Re: Confession~
« Reply #27 on: November 04, 2011, 05:06:18 PM »
Isa 29:18 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.

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Re: Confession~
« Reply #28 on: November 05, 2011, 11:33:36 PM »
Thanks y'all  :hihat:
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Re: Confession~
« Reply #29 on: November 06, 2011, 08:03:14 AM »
I do not believe taking offense and getting hurt are the same thing. I think taking offense is one way to respond to getting hurt. Taking offense means what it reads. TAKING OFFENSE, in other words- we hold onto an offense in one or more of several ways, such as unforgiveness/bitterness, responding agressively and judgmentally to those who "offend" us, "making an issue" of something we should let go by with forbearance and understanding. Ouur point of view is not so important as we think it is. When our ego is mixed up in what we believe, our self esteem intertwined with what we think we kno, offenses abound because they are unavoidable- we are holding our revelation in the flesh.

If I am getting hurt I can go to God and/or my trusted counselors/friends and wrestle with it until wisdom comes. If I "take offense" I have already given the highest counsel to my flesh. One of the things that keeps us apart as believers is that we are so easily offended. It is the surest evidence of immaturity.

2Ti 2:24-26  The Lord's bond-servant must not be quarrelsome, but be kind to all, able to teach, patient when wronged,
with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition, if perhaps God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the truth,  and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, having been held captive by him to do his will.

Jas 3:13-18  Who among you is wise and understanding? Let him show by his good behavior his deeds in the gentleness of wisdom.  (14)  But if you have bitter jealousy and selfish ambition in your heart, do not be arrogant and so lie against the truth.  (15)  This wisdom is not that which comes down from above, but is earthly, natural, demonic.  (16)  For where jealousy and selfish ambition exist, there is disorder and every evil thing.  (17)  But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, reasonable, full of mercy and good fruits, unwavering, without hypocrisy.  (18)  And the seed whose fruit is righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.

Taking offense leads to fighting evil with evil, flesh with flesh. We are to overcome evil with good, so certainly, within the house of faith, where the issue is not so much evil vs evil, but rather differing points of view- we ought to be able to carry on a discourse without judgmental invectives and condescending attitudes towards those who disagree with us. The anger of man does not accomplish the righteousness of God.

I am not saying we are to be Mr. Spock either :o). We get hurt, we bleed, we cry, we get angry- but let that anger be without sin and let me not become the center of my pain. If our will is "centered in our spirit" then the water of life will come out when we get "squeezed". If our will is centered in our mind, there will be a conduit to the flesh and when we get squeezed the flesh will come out. When Jesus was crucified all that came out of him was blood, water and spirit.
Our goal(high and seemingly impossible as it might seem) is to emulate him, being partakers of the divine nature, born from above by an incorruptible seed unto a sincere love of the brethren.

I will agree with your statement, yet when opinions and our imaginations begin to be "the answer"  in debates, arguments, and disagreements within subjects where all, are only going on their opinions and imaginations, then offence, is the hurt of ego, it is taken with offence. Everything is relevant. What I may find relevant to something, maybe quite different from what someone else may see as relevant. This forum is about seeking what truths I, you, or someone else may be allowed to find or see that holds understanding to God's Word; we all "feel" that God through His Holy Spirit showed us, enlightened us and then we all proceed to bring forth what we have been given. And through this process we sift and winnow, and within that curriculum, I believe we find both offence and hurt. My only offence is that we go off topic very quickly and I am only hurt when told we did not. Should this post have gone off the topic of the confession topic then I was in error. :HeartThrob:
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Re: Confession~
« Reply #30 on: November 06, 2011, 05:57:33 PM »
like I said,beautiful post.

    however I beleive we need to address the issue of not OBEYING CHRIST when we are rude unloving sarcastic,demeaning.Surely we should be about

   the 'do unto others as you would have them do unto you'  Better an open rebuke than a hidden love. Surely we who endeavour to follow cHRIST

   SHOULD NOT DESPISE ANY MAN.

   WHERE NONE OF US ARE 'PERFECT' TRAMPLING ON OTHERS ON THE BOARD IS NOT SOMETHING CHRISTIANS SHOULD JUST 'WINK' AT SURELY..

   OR HYPERCRITICALITY TOLERATED CONSTANT FAULTFINDING.

    I SPEAK OF THSEE MATTERS TO MY LITTLE GRANDCHILDREN ON HOW TO BEHAVE TO OTHERS AND EACH OTHER...SURELY ADULT 'CHRISTIANS'

  SHOULD HAVE ALREADY LEARNED THIS...CHRIST 101 LOVE YOUR BROTHER AS YOURSELF.

  HEY,IF I WERE GOING ABOUT GETTING OUT OF HAND..I WOULD HOPE AND PRAY SOME-ONE WOULD CALL ME TO MY SENSES

    GOD HIMSELF WILL JUDGE BETWEEN A SHEEP AND A SHEEP

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Re: Confession~
« Reply #31 on: November 06, 2011, 07:44:26 PM »
Excellent sheila.  Much said about things like not taking offense ("love does not keep a record of wrongdoing"), and forgiveness 70X7.  All in which I need the Lord's help to grow - His grace, mercy, and empowerment.

Also, probably just as much or more said about bridling the tongue and that it is "set on fire of hell, an unruly evil that cannot be tamed. James 3:7, "For every kind of beasts, and of birds, and of serpents, and of things in the sea, is tamed, and hath been tamed of mankind: But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison." Ephesians 4:32    Only the Holy Spirit can tame it as we yield to God's leading.

Jesus said it's not what goes into us that defiles us but what comes out.  I've done way too much of the former, way too little of the latter, but wiith the tongue are cursings and blessings;  "There is one who speaks like the piercings of a sword, But the tongue of the wise promotes health" (Proverbs 12:18, New King James Version).

This certainly needs to be my prayer and goal;  Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you.


Neither should there be vulgar speech, foolish talk, or coarse jesting--all of which are out of character--but rather thanksgiving.  Eph. 5:4  **  Saved 1John 3.2, Eph. 2:8, John 1:12 - Being saved 2Cor. 4:16 2Peter 3:18 - Will be saved 1Peter 1:5 Romans 8:23

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Re: Confession~
« Reply #32 on: November 06, 2011, 07:50:13 PM »
Excellent sheila.  Much said about things like not taking offense ("love does not keep a record of wrongdoing"), and forgiveness 70X7.

Also, probably just as much or more said about bridling the tongue and that it is "set on fire of hell, an unruly evil that cannot be tamed. James 3:7, "For every kind of beasts, and of birds, and of serpents, and of things in the sea, is tamed, and hath been tamed of mankind: But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison." Ephesians 4:32    Only the Holy Spirit can tame it as we yield to God's leading.

Jesus said it's not what goes into us that defiles us but what comes out.  I've done way too much of the former, way too little of the latter, but wiith the tongue are cursings and blessings;  "There is one who speaks like the piercings of a sword, But the tongue of the wise promotes health" (Proverbs 12:18, New King James Version).

This certainly needs to be my prayer and goal;  Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you.
AMEN James~

 Its a two way beat~ as at Times folk say or speak without intent to hurt or inflame, as some have pointed out there Just Joking etc ~ but if flesh is easliy offended, it can come to the point where one treads on Egg Shells~ Not really Knowing how your words will be perceived~~~ its Not always Black and white~~ :HeartThrob:
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Re: Confession~
« Reply #33 on: November 06, 2011, 08:59:20 PM »
Egg shells could be one way of saying it, or always being careful to be aware to speak in love and not attacking is how I've personally been dealt with my own smart mouth.

 Not only have I needed work on not taking offense, I've also needed much work on not just attacking, being a smart aleck, wounding with my words.  I still have ways to go, but some of my posts on TM from years ago make me wince.   Certainly not an example of "in love preferring one another"...
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Re: Confession~
« Reply #34 on: November 06, 2011, 09:00:35 PM »
Egg shells could be one way of saying it, or always being careful to be aware to speak in love and not attacking.

 Not only have I needed work on not taking offense, I've also needed much work on not just attacking, being a smart aleck, wounding with my words.  I still have ways to go, but some of my posts on TM from years ago make me wince.   Certainly not an example of "in love preferring one another"...
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Re: Confession~
« Reply #35 on: November 06, 2011, 09:02:35 PM »
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Neither should there be vulgar speech, foolish talk, or coarse jesting--all of which are out of character--but rather thanksgiving.  Eph. 5:4  **  Saved 1John 3.2, Eph. 2:8, John 1:12 - Being saved 2Cor. 4:16 2Peter 3:18 - Will be saved 1Peter 1:5 Romans 8:23

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Re: Confession~
« Reply #36 on: November 07, 2011, 02:38:47 AM »
Excellent sheila.  Much said about things like not taking offense ("love does not keep a record of wrongdoing"), and forgiveness 70X7.

Also, probably just as much or more said about bridling the tongue and that it is "set on fire of hell, an unruly evil that cannot be tamed. James 3:7, "For every kind of beasts, and of birds, and of serpents, and of things in the sea, is tamed, and hath been tamed of mankind: But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison." Ephesians 4:32    Only the Holy Spirit can tame it as we yield to God's leading.

Jesus said it's not what goes into us that defiles us but what comes out.  I've done way too much of the former, way too little of the latter, but wiith the tongue are cursings and blessings;  "There is one who speaks like the piercings of a sword, But the tongue of the wise promotes health" (Proverbs 12:18, New King James Version).

This certainly needs to be my prayer and goal;  Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you.
AMEN James~

 Its a two way beat~ as at Times folk say or speak without intent to hurt or inflame, as some have pointed out there Just Joking etc ~ but if flesh is easliy offended, it can come to the point where one treads on Egg Shells~ Not really Knowing how your words will be perceived~~~ its Not always Black and white~~ :HeartThrob:

As long as someone is getting hurt when someone disagrees with them, it is about taking offense and immaturity. When ( and I see this often, as do we all) someone treats others as if they do not agree with them because they are unspiritual, or immature, it is about giving offense. If my words are true, and spoken in love- why would I need to add fleshly invectives or subtle put-downs towards a brother or a sister. Usually the ones who 'give offense' (judging others with sarcasm and/or condescension) are also the first ones to take offense'. This is all about carnality, and being 'babes' in Christ- as Sheila pointed out, we teach our children to behave reasonably and maturely. But as Paul said, "Woe to you who judges others while doing the same thing yourself". The problem is, as I see it, when we try to 'teach' others how they should behave, without praying for them or really caring for their souls. Sorta like disciplining a child you never spend time with or gently nurture- they will eventually react with stubborness :o)

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Re: Confession~
« Reply #37 on: November 07, 2011, 04:27:48 AM »
Not a reply to anyone post.
I do accept the assumption that there is a "second coming" of Jesus Christ.
I do not accept the assumption that the "soul" is the woman.
I do not accept that the assumtion of "created in in His image and likeness, male and female" is
as finished work.
Nor do I accept the assumption that Gen. 1 is a completed work.
I cannot accept the assumption that the "carnal mind" is satan/ adversary.

These are just some of why I, me, personally find these assumptions built on as tho this
is where one must start to learn further, is in error.
I am not led to be silent when these assumptions are posted as a place of a starting to understand.
I believe they are misleading.
Should my language sound gruff, offensive, and make me seem immature
then perhaps my voice should not ne accepted on this forum.
I am not requesting to be banned, but if that is the case, so be it;
but for me, to not come against only just the few, that have been mentioned,
With other thoughts and words that find those assumtions ill thought and even in error, and
should my language and words be taken or recived as hurtful and offensive, I am only sorry that they have been recieved that way.
I have every desire to learn, and help some soul find more of the truth, by the Grace of HIm.

I am very much disturbed as to why, in our realm(human) offence is taken when one raises
oppostion, to what seems to me anyway, as almost a doctrine in error, and how dare anyone be bold
enough to say not so.
YES I DO BELIEVE THAT WHAT HAS BEEN SAID IN THIS POST IS PERTAINING TO ME.
I take no offenence nor am I hurt[ I am agast a times.] I consider this forum as my place to gather an break bread
with is Spirit. I have learned much.
Yet I am not led to be silent, I truly believe that all of us have started out on the wrong foot because we have all
started out with someone elses teaching.
I know there are some who will say no, this was given just to me, I have not read, studied, or recieved it
from any other source. Again here I would be in opposition.

I AWAIT THE DOOR, THE BOOT, THE HOOK what ever option is used.
Peace and Love Through Jesus THE Christ.
Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

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Re: Confession~
« Reply #38 on: November 07, 2011, 05:24:41 AM »
micah, no problem disagreeing in a respectful manner.  It's when we might "beat each other about the ears", tongue lashing, insulting, name-calling, embarrassing the other person, etc. that there's a problem.  I don't think this thread is exclusively for any one of us. 

Blessings, James.
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Re: Confession~
« Reply #39 on: November 07, 2011, 05:59:43 AM »
Not a reply to anyone post.
I do accept the assumption that there is a "second coming" of Jesus Christ.
I do not accept the assumption that the "soul" is the woman.
I do not accept that the assumtion of "created in in His image and likeness, male and female" is
as finished work.
Nor do I accept the assumption that Gen. 1 is a completed work.
I cannot accept the assumption that the "carnal mind" is satan/ adversary.

These are just some of why I, me, personally find these assumptions built on as tho this
is where one must start to learn further, is in error.
I am not led to be silent when these assumptions are posted as a place of a starting to understand.
I believe they are misleading.
Should my language sound gruff, offensive, and make me seem immature
then perhaps my voice should not ne accepted on this forum.
I am not requesting to be banned, but if that is the case, so be it;
but for me, to not come against only just the few, that have been mentioned,
With other thoughts and words that find those assumtions ill thought and even in error, and
should my language and words be taken or recived as hurtful and offensive, I am only sorry that they have been recieved that way.
I have every desire to learn, and help some soul find more of the truth, by the Grace of HIm.

I am very much disturbed as to why, in our realm(human) offence is taken when one raises
oppostion, to what seems to me anyway, as almost a doctrine in error, and how dare anyone be bold
enough to say not so.
YES I DO BELIEVE THAT WHAT HAS BEEN SAID IN THIS POST IS PERTAINING TO ME.
I take no offenence nor am I hurt[ I am agast a times.] I consider this forum as my place to gather an break bread
with is Spirit. I have learned much.
Yet I am not led to be silent, I truly believe that all of us have started out on the wrong foot because we have all
started out with someone elses teaching.
I know there are some who will say no, this was given just to me, I have not read, studied, or recieved it
from any other source. Again here I would be in opposition.

I AWAIT THE DOOR, THE BOOT, THE HOOK what ever option is used.
Peace and Love Through Jesus THE Christ.

Hi Micah,

 I hope you did not think any post I put up was directed towards you or anyone in particular- absolutely, not a single post I put up was directed towards anyone in particular, and I have been richly edified by everyone who has posted in this thread and at various times and in various threads. I, for one, think "open forum" discussion is important to growth, as all the "plantings of the Lord" cross pollinate. I may not agree with certain things- but I sure don't think I have a corner on the truth, and I am subject to "getting in the flesh" in discussions as well- but I do kno there is no reason to do so, so I take correction as the Holy Spirit delivers it, and I try to look between the lines of what my brothers and sisters are saying.
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Re: Confession~
« Reply #40 on: November 07, 2011, 06:32:19 AM »
micah, no problem disagreeing in a respectful manner.  It's when we might "beat each other about the ears", tongue lashing, insulting, name-calling, embarrassing the other person, etc. that there's a problem.  I don't think this thread is exclusively for any one of us. 

Blessings, James.

I would like to agree with you James, but it seems that when ever I rebel these things surface. I do not mind and if it bothers no one else, ok. I do not feel guilty at all in my speak. But I do get a little upset when some things that are said "seem" to be set in stone and to go against that word provokes remarks from me that may be considered what you mentioned above.
I really try to be diplomatic, hate that word.

No problem Eaglesway, I can see and understand what you say. For me, being so long in the reading of the early rain, Hawtin, Warnock, Britton, Eby, and many others who brought us to where we are but knowing that they knew they were pioneers to a greater understanding, to see that some continue to build on their work, and not seeing that they were our pitons as some climb higher up the mountain to the summit.
Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

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Re: Confession~
« Reply #41 on: November 07, 2011, 06:53:52 PM »
I confess……. that should I accept, as I have up until now [and as it would seem all theology has taught] that, "man/adam, was made(make) created, in the image and likeness of "us and God" [male and female He created them]" Gen.1:26,27…. Is that….

"dust formed and the nostrils that received the breath of life, is the adam/man that received the charge of not to eat of the tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil(Bad) to die you shall be dying, developed into who the Lord God asked, "Where out thou?"
Should that be true, then I contend that God can die, that God is vulnerable to the wiles of the flesh and that He is just as weak as the man/adam He made/created.
I am foolish should I even consider the above rubbish. That is why I now reason, to wed Gen.1:26-27 to Gen. 2:7 is not a sound teaching. I contend that Gen.1:26-27 is a yet to be completed, that it is an awaited event. 
Rom 8:19  for the earnest looking out of the creation doth expect the revelation of the sons of God;
Rom 8:22  for we have known that all the creation doth groan together, and doth travail in pain together till now.
Okay, Im ready. :HeartThrob: :icon_flower: :cloud9: :bigGrin:
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Re: Confession~
« Reply #42 on: November 07, 2011, 08:19:26 PM »
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Gen.1:26-27 is a yet to be completed, that it is an awaited event. 
Rom 8:19  for the earnest looking out of the creation doth expect the revelation of the sons of God;
Rom 8:22  for we have known that all the creation doth groan together, and doth travail in pain together till now.
Hi Micah~it was Finished in the Invisible before itcame to be, walked out in the Visible~~For mine~  The Promise has always Been Christ Long before Abraham,  ~Christ is the Hope hidden within all Hence why ""ALL"creation Groan , - we are SAVED by THE Hope HE is~

Rom19 For all creation is waiting eagerly for that future day when God will reveal who his children really are. 
 Rom 8:20 Against its will, all creation was subjected to God's curse. But with eager hope


 Rom 8:21 the creation looks forward to the day when it will join God's children in glorious freedom from death and decay

Another thought~The DAY of the LORD has always BEEN~ THE ETERNAL DAY HE IS~ we enter it In SPIRIT the very same ABRAHAM DID~ seeing HIS "DAY",
to REturn  has to be a Place where we once would have Been~Created In Him Male and Female~

We humans have tendancy to see things Laterally , a Point from A to B~I see a Circle, Returning to the One we were always In from the Beginning as  alll was  Completed in the Unseen prior to the visible~

Shalom
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Re: Confession~
« Reply #43 on: November 08, 2011, 01:38:38 AM »
"Hi Micah~it was Finished in the Invisible before itcame to be, walked out in the Visible~~For mine~  The Promise has always Been Christ Long before Abraham,  ~Christ is the Hope hidden within all Hence why ""ALL"creation Grown , - we are SAVED by THE Hope HE is~" Taffy

I will claim right here that i really know nothing at all, yet in Him there is no beginning or ending, so for us to use the words finished or completed may be incorrect.
I contend that the first chapter of Genesis is the Word Spoken. I know that in HIM, all that we are given, is to piece together all that He Knows, and it is all part of the process to be worked out…ALL is in Him….. is, has, and will be complete and finished for in Him  "always" is,was, and will be. HE is One, He Is Peace, IN HIM is Always.

Rom 4:16 Therefore it is of faith that it may accord with grace, for the promise to be confirmed to the entire seed, not to those of the law only, but to those also of the faith of Abraham, who is father of us all,
Rom 4:17 according as it is written that, A father of many nations have I appointed you - facing which, he believes it of the God Who is vivifying the dead and calling what is not as if it were -"
God spoke to Abraham that he would be a father of many nations, it did not happen then, but in the future. "and calling what is not as if it were -"
I also have stated at other times and am still adamant, we are NOT SAVED, we are in the process of being saved.
Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

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Re: Confession~
« Reply #44 on: November 08, 2011, 01:47:45 AM »
"Hi Micah~it was Finished in the Invisible before itcame to be, walked out in the Visible~~For mine~  The Promise has always Been Christ Long before Abraham,  ~Christ is the Hope hidden within all Hence why ""ALL"creation Grown , - we are SAVED by THE Hope HE is~" Taffy

I will claim right here that i really know nothing at all, yet in Him there is no beginning or ending, so for us to use the words finished or completed may be incorrect.
I contend that the first chapter of Genesis is the Word Spoken. I know that in HIM, all that we are given, is to piece together all that He Knows, and it is all part of the process to be worked out…ALL is in Him….. is, has, and will be complete and finished for in Him  "always" is,was, and will be. HE is One, He Is Peace, IN HIM is Always.

Rom 4:16 Therefore it is of faith that it may accord with grace, for the promise to be confirmed to the entire seed, not to those of the law only, but to those also of the faith of Abraham, who is father of us all,
Rom 4:17 according as it is written that, A father of many nations have I appointed you - facing which, he believes it of the God Who is vivifying the dead and calling what is not as if it were -"
God spoke to Abraham that he would be a father of many nations, it did not happen then, but in the future. "and calling what is not as if it were -"
I also have stated at other times and am still adamant, we are NOT SAVED, we are in the process of being saved.
Walked Out Yes~ Finished before it began Yes also~
For all what came OUT OF HIM Must have been in HIM to Begin~ABraham Defines The promise as He a A Father TYPE figure~
Shalom
Isa 29:18 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.

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Re: Confession~
« Reply #45 on: November 08, 2011, 02:10:31 AM »
"Walked Out Yes~ Finished before it began Yes also~" Taffy

Then this life is a waste.

"For all what came OUT OF HIM Must have been in HIM to Begin." Taffy

I thought I attempted to say that, but I guess I didn't do well.
"ALL is in Him….. is, has, and will be complete and finished for in Him  "always" is,was, and will be. HE is One, He Is Peace, IN HIM is Always. " Me
Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

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Re: Confession~
« Reply #46 on: November 08, 2011, 02:13:35 AM »
"Walked Out Yes~ Finished before it began Yes also~" Taffy

Then this life is a waste.

"For all what came OUT OF HIM Must have been in HIM to Begin." Taffy

I thought I attempted to say that, but I guess I didn't do well.
"ALL is in Him….. is, has, and will be complete and finished for in Him  "always" is,was, and will be. HE is One, He Is Peace, IN HIM is Always. " Me
To Learn By experience  is a Not a waste~ :icon_flower:
Isa 29:18 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.

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Re: Confession~
« Reply #47 on: November 08, 2011, 02:28:53 AM »
"What we have is a failure to communicate." Strother Martin from "Cool Hand Luke."
Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

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Re: Confession~
« Reply #48 on: November 08, 2011, 08:12:49 AM »
micah, no problem disagreeing in a respectful manner.  It's when we might "beat each other about the ears", tongue lashing, insulting, name-calling, embarrassing the other person, etc. that there's a problem.  I don't think this thread is exclusively for any one of us. 

Blessings, James.

I would like to agree with you James, but it seems that when ever I rebel these things surface. I do not mind and if it bothers no one else, ok. I do not feel guilty at all in my speak. But I do get a little upset when some things that are said "seem" to be set in stone and to go against that word provokes remarks from me that may be considered what you mentioned above.
I really try to be diplomatic, hate that word.

No problem Eaglesway, I can see and understand what you say. For me, being so long in the reading of the early rain, Hawtin, Warnock, Britton, Eby, and many others who brought us to where we are but knowing that they knew they were pioneers to a greater understanding, to see that some continue to build on their work, and not seeing that they were our pitons as some climb higher up the mountain to the summit.

Not familiar with Hawtin, maybe you could send me a link. Warnock is such a jewel in the kingdom. Read a little bit of Brittons stuff and met him once, he ministered in a fellowship I was a part of in Denver Co. in '79. All of us have climbed upon pitons set in the face of the rock, as did all of them- the foundation stones being the twelve apostles, and the chief cornerstone being Jesus. Peace.
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Re: Confession~
« Reply #49 on: November 08, 2011, 06:20:43 PM »
micah, no problem disagreeing in a respectful manner.  It's when we might "beat each other about the ears", tongue lashing, insulting, name-calling, embarrassing the other person, etc. that there's a problem.  I don't think this thread is exclusively for any one of us. 

Blessings, James.

I would like to agree with you James, but it seems that when ever I rebel these things surface. I do not mind and if it bothers no one else, ok. I do not feel guilty at all in my speak. But I do get a little upset when some things that are said "seem" to be set in stone and to go against that word provokes remarks from me that may be considered what you mentioned above.
I really try to be diplomatic, hate that word.

No problem Eaglesway, I can see and understand what you say. For me, being so long in the reading of the early rain, Hawtin, Warnock, Britton, Eby, and many others who brought us to where we are but knowing that they knew they were pioneers to a greater understanding, to see that some continue to build on their work, and not seeing that they were our pitons as some climb higher up the mountain to the summit.

Not familiar with Hawtin, maybe you could send me a link. Warnock is such a jewel in the kingdom. Read a little bit of Brittons stuff and met him once, he ministered in a fellowship I was a part of in Denver Co. in '79. All of us have climbed upon pitons set in the face of the rock, as did all of them- the foundation stones being the twelve apostles, and the chief cornerstone being Jesus. Peace.

Peace :icon_king:
Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.