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Tony N:
Concerning wisdom, it is written:

"Yahweh Himself acquired me as the beginning of His way; Preceeding His deeds of yore" (Pro 8:22).

What exactly do you think of that?

Was there a time when Yahweh did not have wisdom and had to acquire it?

Tony N

Kratos:
The word "acquired" is one of several possible choices for the English here, but the context does not work here for me. Most every other translation uses the word "possessed", as in:

Pro 8:22

(KJV)  The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.

(RV)  The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.

(YLT)  Jehovah possessed me--the beginning of His way, Before His works since then.

The Lord possessed wisdom from the beginning before any of His works. God had no beginning so this must refer to the beginning of time when God began to work with man in the realm of time. Wisdom was not something that God ever had to attain or acquire, but was always His in eternity before time began.

This is a good example of the trouble we can get into trying to know God just by studying other uses of a Greek or Hebrew word in antiquity. I know that the definition obsessed teachers will not like this, but to me knowing God is more about relationship and spiritual knowing then studying ancient languages. Remember that the Jews of Jesus' time understood perfect Hebrew and still did not know God when He stood right in front of them.

John

meefsgirl:

--- Quote from: Tony N on August 05, 2007, 06:37:35 AM ---Concerning wisdom, it is written:

"Yahweh Himself acquired me as the beginning of His way; Preceeding His deeds of yore" (Pro 8:22).

What exactly do you think of that?

Was there a time when Yahweh did not have wisdom and had to acquire it?

Tony N

--- End quote ---

This whole passage of Proverbs 8 about wisdom is about Jesus Christ.
The whole passage speaks of Him, even in this little gem..

Pro 8:35  For whoever finds me finds life, and shall obtain favor from Jehovah.

Jesus said He is the Way, the Truth and the Life.

No, there wasn't a time He didn't have wisdom because He IS wisdom.

Davo22:
Hello Tony.

I'm not sure what translation you are reading from, but here are a few others.

"The LORD possessed me at the beginning of His way, Before His works of old. (NASB)

"The LORD already possessed me long ago, when his way began, before any of his works. (GWT)

The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. (KJV)

Almost all the other translations here translate it "possessed". In fact the revised standard version says that he "created" me [wisdom] at the beginning of his work.

Proverbs 22:23 The LORD created me at the beginning of his work, the first of his acts of old. Ages ago I was set up, at the first, before the beginning of the earth.

So, context speaks to us. The Lord created wisdom and set it up.

God Bless.

Tony N:
Thanks friends for your excellent replies.

I'm just kind of thinking out loud here.

If I create a chalk board, have I not, in so doing, acquired one?

kawnaw, the Hebrew word is used here. The KJV says "possessed." However, the Strong's number for kawnaw is 7069: "A primitive root; to erect, that is create, by extension to procure, especially by purchase; by implication; to own, attain, buy.

So if I buy something I bring it into my possession. I acquire it. If I create something I also acquire it via means of creation.

I wonder if this could be the Son of God Who carries the title of Yahweh and that before, as Logos, the Word, He had to acquire wisdom before creating all in the heavens and on the earth? He had to learn obedience (Hebrews 5:8).

In Him
Tony

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