Conception of Mary by HS

[WhiteWings]

I'm looking for some info to verify my calculations.
Is there any Biblical reference that give some info on the day and/or hour?
Or part of the day. I'm not looking for a year. Or season.

[Jerm]

Matthew 2:13 indicates that it was March 25 at 8:14 AM Central Time.....just kidding WW, I have no idea.  I know it really doesn't matter WHEN He was born, only THAT He was born but still, I've always kind of wondered as well.  What idea have come up with so far?

[WhiteWings]

I know it really doesn't matter WHEN He was born, only THAT He was born

I got similar answers before. While I agree the important thing is that Jesus was born is very important. But that doesn't really answer my question.
I likely study the Bible vastly different from 99% of the TM members. Still it amazes me threads like this get ignored while 99% of the threads on TM are useless if the birth of Jesus is all that counts.
It's commonly known that 7 pops up in many places. There are many such (numerical) patterns in the Bible. Why are those patterns there? Accidently? God was bored? To side track us? With a purpose?
Why did all major events took place on Sabbath years? And a vast number (also) on festival days?
I mentioned the number 7. But what about the number 29.5305888531? (a month)
My theory is that day and hour of conception can be calculated from that.

So basicly I study patterns instead of verses. I try to work from large (patterns) to small(verses) Extrapolation is often tricky....

[Cardinal]

  I see patterns too, WW......

[onlytruth]

God has been speaking to me about getting into the" flow" of Him.So when I do quiet myself ,I start seeing repetitions.
This was just confirmed by Preston Eby and his last message.
Now the number 4 keeps showing up.4 corners, 4 rivers, licence plates,phone numbers
I sense God allowing us to get into the flow...so if we sense something about Jesus' birth,rest and allow the spirit to show you ww
blessings and blessings for everyone in 2010!

[WhiteWings]

God has been speaking to me about getting into the" flow" of Him.So when I do quiet myself ,I start seeing repetitions.

Repetitions=fact.

birth,rest and allow the spirit to show you ww

Rest is something I never had. Always doing several things at the same time and planning the next.

blessings and blessings for everyone in 2010!

Everyone includes you OT  

[Molly]

Pattern recognition is the only way to understand anything--whether it be heaven or history.



Hebrews 8:5
Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.

[WhiteWings]

Not only to understand things but also to verify things.
I think/hope that I'm not the only one with numerous thoughts of what possibly happend or going to happen etc. (just to name something)
But if that thought doesn't fit into a pattern then either the tought is wrong or the patterns are not fully understood. In teh majority of the cases.
I've seen Sabbath/Jubilee years popping up at many places. Those years and holydays are great benchmarks imo.

Patterns are really interesting. But can someone please shed some light on my original question?

[sheila]

  Hi WW

   I beleive it happened here  Luke 1;38  I am the Lord's servant

, Mary answered. 'May it be to me as you have said"

   the faith she exercized brought for the substance it was

  intended,too.

[Pierac]

  Hi WW

   I beleive it happened here  Luke 1;38  I am the Lord's servant

, Mary answered. 'May it be to me as you have said"

   the faith she exercized brought for the substance it was

  intended,too.

Luke 1:35  The angel answered and said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy Child shall be called the Son of God.

Gabriel said it would be the Holy Spirit, not sure about "the substance"?

Paul

[Pierac]

If you like patterns and numbers, even colors in scripture... you will love reading Mike Vinson. 


http://www.iswasandwillbe.com/study_toc.php

Enjoy!
Paul

[WhiteWings]

Pierac: I'll check out that site.

Sheila and Pierac: I know the verse. I'm looking for something like: One 10th day of the month in the afternoon....
That sort of references.

[Molly]

Pierac: I'll check out that site.

Sheila and Pierac: I know the verse. I'm looking for something like: One 10th day of the month in the afternoon....
That sort of references.

I don't think you will find it, and the reason is--He is the pattern Son.



45And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord.

 46And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,

 47And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

--Luke 1

[sheila]

Luke 1;45

  BLESSED IS SHE WHO HAS BELEIVED THAT WHAT THE LORD

  HAS SAID TO HER WILL BE ACCOMPLISHED"

   The promised seed is always through faith

   when we put faith in the WORD OF GOD we too,

  receive the promise[Luke 24;49 I am going to send what the

Father promised; but stay in the city until you have been

clothed with power from on high]


   Hebrews 11;1  Now faith is the substance of things hoped for

  the evidence of things not seen].

[Cardinal]

  I agree Sheila. She conceived the moment the Spirit came upon her and she mixed that Word/BREATH with faith. Forty weeks is the gestation period in the natural and they were 40 years in the desert.

Forty symbolizes completion. The difference between the 60 fold ream inner court realm of Pentecost and the 100 fold realm of the Holy of Holies, is 40 'years in the wilderness', learning to walk by faith.

And thanks for that site Paul; I will check it out too. Blessings....

[WhiteWings]

I agree Sheila. She conceived the moment the Spirit came upon her and she mixed that Word/BREATH with faith. Forty weeks is the gestation period in the natural

That's what I thought too. But....

270 days: http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/G/gestation.html
==> Many sites mention 270 but some also 280.
And perhaps more comparible to this situation:
The human gestation period--the period of time between conception and labor--is approximately forty weeks (280 days), measured from the first day of the mother's last menstrual period.
=> Conception does quite opten not happen at that time.

 A gestation period of thirty-eight weeks (266 days) is calculated for women who are pregnant by a procedure such as in vitro fertilization or artificial insemination that allows them to know their exact date of conception.
=> Reading the above I think that closer to "the way HS did it".
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_g2602/is_0002/ai_2602000272/

That said 40 weeks/280 days is indeed a nice number.
For 266 I don't know such a number. Surely I can find combinations that have Biblical numbers. But that doesn't proof everything.
266/7=38 ===> 7, 3 and 8  for example.
3 = perfection
7 = completion
8 = new begining

Is that correct?

[Cardinal]

  Seven literally means, perfect, complete, holy. You might want to check out some gematria on the words that make up that sentence in your search, too. Or the codes. My  Blessings...

[Molly]

Here we have a description of the 6 month fetus of John the Baptist meeting the newly conceived Christ child.

Luke 1:41
And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:

"leaped" [in her womb]

G4640
σκιρτάω
skirtaō
skeer-tah'-o
Akin to σκαίρω skairō (to skip); to jump, that is, sympathetically move (as the quickening of a fetus): - leap (for joy).



This leap of the unborn fetus is described as a move which denotes the quickening [of life] and a leap for joy at the meeting with the Christ child, and accompanied by an indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

Here, too, we see the same in Mary's spirit, as a born again spirit quickening and leaping for joy at the discernment of that holy thing growing within her--and as the increase of her soul as it magnifies the Lord.


47And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

--Luke 1


"hath rejoiced"

G21
ἀγαλλιάω
agalliaō
ag-al-lee-ah'-o
From ἄγαν agan (much) and G242; properly to jump for joy, that is, exult: - be (exceeding) glad, with exceeding joy, rejoice (greatly).