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Offline fullarmor2

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Billy Graham
« on: December 07, 2008, 08:26:40 PM »
   I found this interesting video of  Billy,  what do you think.  The statements of Billy and Robert in this vid are beautiful.  There are some other similar vids there also.
  http://technorati.com/videos/youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DaxxlXy6bLH0 

     
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Re: Billy Graham
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2008, 11:25:29 PM »
Well, the problem with this is, Graham seems to be describing Unitarianism more than Christian Universalism.

       Doctrine aside,  I sensed a Christlike love and concern for people in their statements. God does not care if your doctrine is not perfect as much as whether or not God's love is in your heart.



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Re: Billy Graham
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2008, 08:42:27 AM »
Is it putting doctrine aside, or putting the Word of God aside? It was Christ Himself I was quoting.
Are these men capable of being more Christlike than Christ Himself?

   First, I'm only referring to the one video which my link leads to.  Second,    I think you misunderstood Graham, he didn't say they would be saved through their religion,   he said when they respond to the light(truth) that they have, then they experience God's grace. Like anybody else. Only some have more light to respond to than others. Those folks who have little will be drawn by God to a knowledge of Christ who is the Light. 
      I don't believe that Graham is saying they don't have to come through Christ. I'm sure he would agree that sooner or later they must come through Christ.    :happy3:





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Re: Billy Graham
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2008, 09:47:12 AM »
Well, the problem with this is, Graham seems to be describing Unitarianism more than Christian Universalism.

       Doctrine aside,  I sensed a Christlike love and concern for people in their statements. God does not care if your doctrine is not perfect as much as whether or not God's love is in your heart.

This is similarly scandalous to Jesus' claim that He found greater faith in a pagan than in all Israel  :thumbsup:

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Re: Billy Graham
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2009, 05:50:58 PM »
if anyone is interested, I found this:

http://www.weltmanager.de/Billy_Graham.pdf

page 5 is interesting, last part

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Re: Billy Graham
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2009, 08:54:14 AM »
if anyone is interested, I found this:

http://www.weltmanager.de/Billy_Graham.pdf

page 5 is interesting, last part

From page 5:

"I am now an old man of 83 suffering from several ailments. As I reflect back, I realise that much of my life has been a pilgrimage constantly learning, changing, growing and maturing. I have come to see in deeper ways some of the implications of my faith and message, not the least of which is in the area of human rights, and racial and ethnic understanding".

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Re: Billy Graham
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2009, 04:49:13 PM »
I specially meant this:

A unifying theme of Graham's new thinking is humility. He is sure and certain of his faith in Jesus as the way to salvation. When asked whether he believes heaven will be closed to good Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus or secular people, though, Graham says: "Those are decisions only the Lord will make. It would be foolish for me to speculate on who will be there and who won't ... I don't want to speculate about all that. I believe the love of God is absolute. He said he gave his son for the whole world, and I think he loves everybody regardless of what label they have." Such an ecumenical spirit may upset some Christian hard-liners, but in Graham's view, only God knows who is going to be saved: "As an evangelist for more than six decades, Mr. Graham has faithfully proclaimed the Bible's Gospel message that Jesus is the only way to Heaven," says Graham spokesman A. Larry Ross. "However, salvation is the work of Almighty God, and only he knows what is in each human heart."

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Re: Billy Graham
« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2009, 12:27:58 PM »
I personally identified with how I've changed over the last 32 years. A lot of times we start out as 'sons of thunder' and with age and experience realize that there is a much larger spiritual universe than previously suspected.

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Re: Billy Graham
« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2009, 12:40:10 PM »
Well, the problem with this is, Graham seems to be describing Unitarianism more than Christian Universalism.

       Doctrine aside,  I sensed a Christlike love and concern for people in their statements. God does not care if your doctrine is not perfect as much as whether or not God's love is in your heart.

This is similarly scandalous to Jesus' claim that He found greater faith in a pagan than in all Israel  :thumbsup:

5And when Jesus was entered into Capernaum, there came unto him a centurion, beseeching him,

 6And saying, Lord, my servant lieth at home sick of the palsy, grievously tormented.

 7And Jesus saith unto him, I will come and heal him.

 8The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed.

 9For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it.

 10When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.

 11And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

 12But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

 13And Jesus said unto the centurion, Go thy way; and as thou hast believed, so be it done unto thee. And his servant was healed in the selfsame hour.

--Mat 8