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Offline Tony N

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SOY is terrible to consume
« on: June 17, 2009, 11:39:55 PM »
I just read in Men's Health Magazine about how bad Soy is for men. It can raise estrogen (female hormone) to dangerous levels.

Now they are warning about giving soy formula to babies due to the phytoestrogen levels it raises.

Babies, boys and men should not consume soy products.

Women should not consume soy as well.

Even soy Tofu has been found to be very bad for the brain.

I was drinking soy milk and eating soy products thinking it was good for me and wondering why I was less and less interested in sex. I even asked my doctor if my lack of interest was due to my age. He didn't think so. I wish I had him check my estrogen levels.

 Since being off all soy now for about 5 to 7 months I can say most assuredly that everything below (if you know what I mean) is beginning to thrive once again.  :laughing7:

Here are some pages against Soy:

http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/

http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/soy_badnews.html

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Re: SOY is terrible to consume
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2009, 11:48:18 PM »
Sure is true.
If you belong to a serious gym or go to health-food stores regularly, you would be aware.
It's also true for many canned products.
Back in the 50s, 60s and 70's they actually sprayed estrogen into cans before filling with food products to retard spoilage.
Hence, many generations of American boys were eating doses and doses of estrogen during their early development.
That was a hot topic around these parts several years ago.
 

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Re: SOY is terrible to consume
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2009, 11:52:08 PM »
The problem is that about everything there is research that shows it's bad.
What's left to eat?
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Re: SOY is terrible to consume
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2009, 12:03:31 AM »
So true WW.
A sad sign of the times.
I wonder if scriptures mention it?

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Re: SOY is terrible to consume
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2009, 12:05:56 AM »
The problem is that about everything there is research that shows it's bad.
What's left to eat?
Really? is that really true? Scientific research has shown that EVERYTHING is bad? Can you prove that by scientific peer review?

Eat meats that are not geneticaly modified and that have not had crap put into them.
Eat fruits and vegetables that have not been genetically modified.

Try to eat as close to what God has provided.
Don't drink Coke and other man-made beverages because God didn't creat them.
Just because God says He will save all mankind
does not necessarily mean He won't.

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Re: SOY is terrible to consume
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2009, 12:07:40 AM »
Hey TonyN,
A lot of men, of certain age, benefit from a supplement called ZMA (all natural, just minerals).
You can get good quality at good prices on bodybuilding.com

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 12 for there are eunuchs who from the mother's womb were so born; and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men; and there are eunuchs who kept themselves eunuchs because of the reign of the heavens: he who is able to receive [it] -- let him receive.'

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Re: SOY is terrible to consume
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2009, 12:12:30 AM »
Don't eat a high percentage of any one thing. 

God made vitamin C and you can have too much of it no matter if it's natural or not. 

A pop every now and then isn't bad for you.   Couple 2 liters a day is another story.

Friend of mine got on the PH water kick and of course started to swear by it, but complains of the cost.  I asked him if he was drinking the proper amount of water in the first place before he started drinking the PH water, the answer was NO he only drank pop.

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Re: SOY is terrible to consume
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2009, 12:22:36 AM »
The problem is that about everything there is research that shows it's bad.
What's left to eat?
Really? is that really true? Scientific research has shown that EVERYTHING is bad? Can you prove that by scientific peer review?

Eat meats that are not geneticaly modified and that have not had crap put into them.
Eat fruits and vegetables that have not been genetically modified.

Try to eat as close to what God has provided.
Without things not created by God a lot less food is availble.
About all meat has hormones in it. Fruit is full of pesticides. (allmost) all refined food is bad. Pork is to fat.
To much calories and to few vitamins. A glass of water? Not so pure I you might think.
Nowadays 'good food' is defined by an acceptable dose of poison...

About peer preview.... That makes me smile  :laughing7:
A good example is research on aspertaam. Many reviews write that it's quality stuff. Lots of other reviews that it's pure poison.

"As closely as God created it"
It's even very hard to find a good simple egg.
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Re: SOY is terrible to consume
« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2009, 12:26:20 AM »
True WW
Avoiding genetically-modified and eating organic foods is ideal.
And they are what I call "real food."
But, the sad part is, the price of real food is simply out of reach for many Americans.

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Re: SOY is terrible to consume
« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2009, 12:27:50 AM »
Friend of mine got on the PH water kick and of course started to swear by it, but complains of the cost.  I asked him if he was drinking the proper amount of water in the first place before he started drinking the PH water, the answer was NO he only drank pop.
I know what PH is. But PH water.... Has that an optimum level of PH?
To much water is bad also. It brings down you salt level.

I decided I want to live before I die.
Time for a Red Oktober. Cheers
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Re: SOY is terrible to consume
« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2009, 12:41:44 AM »
True WW
Avoiding genetically-modified and eating organic foods is ideal.
And they are what I call "real food."
But, the sad part is, the price of real food is simply out of reach for many Americans.

I think it's safe to say there simply is not enough 'real food' to feed even one state in the US.
Back to my egg story.... I have no idea how such things are called in English so I try to explain.
Most chicken are stuffed in tiny cages with a coneyor belt under that cage. That are the standard eggs.
The 'animal friendly' way is some sort of barn with 10.000 chickens in it.
Those eggs taste better and the shell is harder.
But real eggs 'as close to God made them' are rare.
Chickens need to roam outside. (not speaking outdoor cage) Just walking in the wild. All day searching for seeds and worms. Those egg shells are very hard. The egg has a very full taste. But that's just not possible on large scale. I think we can't feed 6 billion people without all the chemical crap.
Then we got of course air polution. Dioxine that falls on the grass. Eaten my cow. And that way it comes in the food chain. Even the even in the food chain of the biological farmer.

I wouldn't be suprised that the people in Jesus time would get very ill or die from our quality food....
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
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Re: SOY is terrible to consume
« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2009, 12:53:20 AM »
WW I know ,
and that last line is probably very true.
People I know that eat organic, when they "treat themselves" with junk food often feel sick later in the day.
I started eating "clean because my allergies were getting unbearable, I was taking Benadryl everyday.
After much searching for the culprit, I found it was the food I was eating.
I can't tolerate the nitrate and nitrite preservatives in food products.
When I cut them out WoW I could breath freely again.
Especially at night, I could breath through my nose and didn't snore myself awake!
AMAZING!
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« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2009, 12:59:04 AM »
Oh! I gotta add this:
When I cut the junk out of my diet my hay-fever practically vanished.
Some time later, I realized that I was no longer in this hyper-state allergic reaction from the food.
So my body was now able to cope with seasonal mold and pollen much more efficiently.
I sneeze now and then in the spring, when the cars are covered with yellow pollen, but for the most part my allergies are gone!

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« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2009, 01:28:13 AM »


WW, ionized water is another name for it, but yes, it is water supposedly at the optimum ph level.

As far as a lower salt level in the body, no problem, the "health food" store probably has a bottle of supplements for that, bet their cheap too...   :laughing7:



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« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2009, 01:38:57 AM »
I have soy products often.  Many are loaded with nutrients.  I have read things bad about Soy products before on the internet but we have to know the motive for many of these things.  If the soy products are so packed with nutrients then maybe the good I'm getting is out weighing the bad.  I surely don't believe that soy itself is bad for us.  Like anything it is the measure of things we have that often is what causes us problems.

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« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2009, 02:10:18 AM »
Most forms of soy products sold in the U.S. are indeed bad for you (mainly because of the way it's processed by the time it gets to you). There are a few forms of soy that are healthy, but most Americans wouldn't touch them with a ten-foot pole.

Men are better off avoiding it completely, because of the phytoestrogens in the plant. On the other hand, the Chinese have no word for hot flashes, because the women there don't really experience them.
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Re: SOY is terrible to consume
« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2009, 03:34:25 AM »
I have soy products often.  Many are loaded with nutrients.  I have read things bad about Soy products before on the internet but we have to know the motive for many of these things.  If the soy products are so packed with nutrients then maybe the good I'm getting is out weighing the bad.  I surely don't believe that soy itself is bad for us.  Like anything it is the measure of things we have that often is what causes us problems.

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Hi Paul, not to be combative or anything but Jimson weed I'm sure has some nutrition too as does belladonna and the all natural organic mineral asbestos. But I won't eat either.
Most of the bad news about soy is from doctors and scientists lately and web sites that make no money getting the word out. The multi-billion dollar soy industry is the monster that doesn't care if it is harmful.

If it is so good why are they now saying not to give soy milk to babies? It screws up their endrocin system among other things.
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Re: SOY is terrible to consume
« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2009, 08:01:09 AM »
If it is so good why are they now saying not to give soy milk to babies? It screws up their endrocin system among other things.
A glass of red wine is also good for the body. But not for babies.
I've read Asian people rarely drink (cow) milk because they get ill of it.
Certain products at a certain age.

I think the quality is a thing we don't have real control over. Simply because either we can't afford it or just have nowehere to buy it. Plus, that's personal, most eco-food looks like it comes out of the garbage can.
BTW for meat: The more it shrinks while baking the more junk it has in it.

Another thing is balance. If you eat top grade oranges thats good. But not if that's all you eat. And that is exactly what happens. Some vitamines a directly good for your health. Others vitamins are supporting vitamins.
Can't remember the exact vitimines so I give just a made up example. Orange juice (vitamine C) is great but useles without calcium. Because without calcium the vitamine C does disolve into the digestion system.

Try to stick to the 50-30-20 rule  (carbon fiber - proteine - fat) I hope I got the names right.
Just try it and see how that simple rule forces you to a way healthier diet.
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« Reply #18 on: June 18, 2009, 10:10:02 AM »
meat's a thousand times worse, Tony N.  Every disease known to man traces back to it, but the meat and dairy industry responsible for advertising with many of these publications isn't going to tell on themselves or they'll cite studies paid for by themselves that animal products are good for you.

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« Reply #19 on: June 18, 2009, 10:13:30 AM »
And Paul, there's not really any such thing as vitamin C being bad for you.  Hundreds of thousands of grams are successfully being used in some studies to cure cancer.  Some of the research is saying into the millions, though obviously with doses that high of anything, you want doctor approval or if that's difficult to come by then at least a doctor willing to keep an eye on things and tell you what's happening.

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« Reply #20 on: June 18, 2009, 10:16:55 AM »
many of these publications isn't going to tell on themselves or they'll cite studies paid for by themselves that animal products are good for you.
Exactly!
Knowing who funded the research is often more important than know the qualifications of the researchers.
Many studies are just marketing papers.
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Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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« Reply #21 on: June 18, 2009, 10:19:23 AM »
I have soy products often.  Many are loaded with nutrients.  I have read things bad about Soy products before on the internet but we have to know the motive for many of these things.  If the soy products are so packed with nutrients then maybe the good I'm getting is out weighing the bad.  I surely don't believe that soy itself is bad for us.  Like anything it is the measure of things we have that often is what causes us problems.

Paul
Do some research on vegan body builders.  Also, Toby Maguire, the guy who played Spider-man said he ate enormous amounts of tofu while working out to get ready for the part.  It's no different than any other kind of protein.  It's what you do/don't do with it that matters.  And estrogen is a precursor for testosterone, just as DHEA is, and in the same way that vitamin C is a precursor for collagen and other things.  If a guy is more estrogen than testosterone, then it's either genetic or he's just honestly not spending enough time either on those really long walks or in the gym.  It's that simple.  Check out these better health articles sometime:  http://www.all-creatures.org/health.html

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« Reply #22 on: June 18, 2009, 04:02:51 PM »
And Paul, there's not really any such thing as vitamin C being bad for you.  Hundreds of thousands of grams are successfully being used in some studies to cure cancer.  Some of the research is saying into the millions, though obviously with doses that high of anything, you want doctor approval or if that's difficult to come by then at least a doctor willing to keep an eye on things and tell you what's happening.

Yeah, I have heard of high dosage Vitamin C therapy before.  I was just make sure that people are not swayed by what may be an agenda by some of these nutritional supplement providers.  I have read what amounts to fear mongering by many of these nutritionists before.  Take milk for example, I seen this nutrionist tell us how bad milk is.  While it may be true that many of the additives to milk may not be good for us it doesn't mean that milk is bad for us but the nutrionist wanted us to believe to NEVER drink ANY milk and instead get our calcium from the calcium product that he was selling.  I just want people to be careful that they are not getting told these things in order to be exploited.

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« Reply #23 on: June 18, 2009, 04:14:42 PM »
And Paul, there's not really any such thing as vitamin C being bad for you.  Hundreds of thousands of grams are successfully being used in some studies to cure cancer.  Some of the research is saying into the millions, though obviously with doses that high of anything, you want doctor approval or if that's difficult to come by then at least a doctor willing to keep an eye on things and tell you what's happening.


Ok, lets clarify.   Eating foods with vitamin C will unlikely cause too much of a dosage because you would reap the consequences of severely over eating long before suffering from too much vitamin C.

Huge doses of vitamin C from supplement pills is documented to cause  nausea, diarrhea, kidney stones and inflammation of the stomach lining (gastritis).   It's a fact.


The aspect of treating cancer.....   Originally they tried treating cancer through high dosage supplements and it did not work out very well and is no longer considered a viable treament.

Now treatments are using IV's  so it enters the body in a different way.     





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Re: SOY is terrible to consume
« Reply #24 on: June 20, 2009, 01:01:08 AM »
meat's a thousand times worse, Tony N.  Every disease known to man traces back to it, but the meat and dairy industry responsible for advertising with many of these publications isn't going to tell on themselves or they'll cite studies paid for by themselves that animal products are good for you.

I know, look what it did to the Levitical priests who were mainly meat eaters.  :laughing7:

But God told us after the flood to eat meat.
Just because God says He will save all mankind
does not necessarily mean He won't.