This STILL does not answer the question... I did not ask you if marijuana was "sinful" in general, nor about legalities...
I asked you... that if an ANNOINTED message comes forth and marijuana is involved... what do have to say of this?
Does this answer mean that I can write ANNOINTED message or song, or edify God and use marijuana while doing this, ONLY if I live in a country that it is LEGAL?
Sorry, I didn't realize your question was concerning legality, just whether I thought use of pot was sinful in that specific case regardless of legality. So, I thought I was answering that question. You can write an annointed song and edify God without using pot since God is not confined to pot use to enable a person to do that. That being the case, then I would say yes, to your question. The obvious exception would be if someone says that the status of pot as an illegal substance hinders their obedience to God. In that case however, one would be admitting that edification, spiritual revelation and obedience to God is DEPENDANT on physical substances rather than simply "worshipping in spirit and in truth." If Spirit and truth are not
sufficient enough to edify God and gain spiritual revelation to the full maximum without pot use for a person, then I am sure the person could justify breaking the law to make those spiritual gains.
This would mean that GOD is confined to ANNOINTING on the [PHYSICAL] geographical location, and is further confined to the Administration of MANS LAW... not His...
Well, since God is not confined to pot use to enable his anointing, then you obeying the laws to not use it would not confine him in any way. Unless one were to think God needs a person to smoke something to let his anointing loose. That in itself would be confining.
He blesses us according to HIS WILL, when HE DECIDES to bless us, and IN HIS TIME -- ANNOINTING is shed upon us to fill our NEED and/or necessary for our growth IN HIM.
No offense bro, but this is an evasive answer as well... Please note what YOU consider to be the -- "LIVING WORD", and (if NOT the BIBLE) -- WHERE is this "WORD" found?
Jesus Christ. And that Word is found in his temple which is his people.
It appears you rely upon SPIRITUAL revelation, which is OUTSIDE the WRITTEN WORD...
That is your choice. To me, this is either the practice of ADDITION or SUBTRACTION of the WRITTEN WORD...
As always, it is not my intention to change or convince you in any way. Your life and the conduct within it, is an issue between you and God.
Like I said, we can agree to disagree, however I am not talking about having revelation outside the written word. If the written word does not call out marijuana SPECIFICALLY, the Holy Spirit leads me to know that pot use in MY case causes a lack of sobriety that He means me to have, by which it becomes sinful behavior FOR ME (speaking individually). And such leading against
behaviors which causes a lack of sober living IN ME is of course hardly a new revelation contrary to the written word.
And this is done by the REVELATION which is availed in the WRITTEN WORD. If "revelation" is found OUTSIDE the WORD, then it is in question. For we can "play" with this or that, and then say that GOD revealed something which was not founded in what we KNOW is His WORD. This is where CULT RELIGION is born. A messenger says he/she has revelation... and does not found this revelation in the WORD of YHVH...
The Spirit leading one in righteousness is NOT contrary to the written Word. And, as I have noted, I did not make a general rule FOR YOU. Only that if any BEHAVIOR causes one to act AGAINST the conduct of righteousness underlined in the written word and moved upon by the Spirit, then it becomes sinful behavior.
The "exception" bro... is the conscience. If you esteem marijuana use to be sinful, then it is sinful to YOU. And this measure is personal. Not to be imposed upon another. -- Rom 14:14
And the reason I esteem pot use to be sinful TO ME
is because the Spirit guides me to know that it was a causal factor FOR ME in not living soberly according to the standard of righteousness that the written word commands and that the Spirit guides in fulfilling.
Stay where you are concerning this brother Seth... you have much life ahead of you to learn... and in that life, you will find that as you step into your years... there shall be "understandings" which you now hold, which you shall abandon. Life is a process... and you are in the youth of your process. You have yet to step upon the stones of time that I have already traversed.
That does not mean that I am right and you are wrong. What it means is that both of us must be seeking REVELATION from God IN HIS WORD, instead of depending upon ourselves, and our "feelings"
The written word is much like the Constitution. It is the LETTER. Yet there is a judge who interprets the words, and that judge is not me but "Christ in me the hope of glory."
The "SPIRIT" is much more than a "deliverer" brother. The SPIRIT of YHVH is ALL encompassing, and about WORKING ALL THINGS, part of which is "deliverance".
Brother, i didn't say that the spirit is ONLY a deliverer.
Though sovereignty is not allowed to be discussed at TM... I must say (and you are welcome to disagree) each and ALL of our "choices" are foreordained, and DECLARED... We are "choosing" according to that DECLARATION... God is NO RESPECTER of PERSONS...
Our "choosing" does not move God... God moves our choices. The POTTER dictates the molding of the clay... the clay is resistant by nature... but must submit to the will and timing of the POTTER, as well as becoming the END PRODUCT of HIS making, not of oneself. Again... there are things you are yet to find, in your future bro...
I totally agree.
There is no basis for this. I repeat my question which you have evaded several times... When EDIFICATION and SPIRITUAL REVELATION is found in a message which is delivered by one using marijuana... shall you disregard that because marijuana was in use?
Brother, you asked me how I would determine misuse. I just gave you the answer. The question you asked just NOW, I see as a different question, not regarding what my standard of misuse is but whether I would disregard edification if pot were in use at the time. I would not disregard edification and spiritual revelation just because someone is using pot while doing it, and neither would I credit pot as needful for that.
Did you really say this, Seth?
The LAW of LIBERTY is the LAW of GOD... pretty plainly noted in James. That "law" does not discuss marijuana.
It is your Unscriptural opinion that MARIJUANA is an "ENSLAVING" entity. Just as you might argue that ALCOHOL is an "ENSLAVING" entity. And therefore bunch these 2 together and come up with SIN.
The law of liberty discusses "liberty" and behavior (in this case use of pot for ME in MY case) which can BECOME an enslaving entity, is behavior that works against that liberty.
It is the UNSUBMITTED and mischoosing, misled, mind and heart that ENSLAVES, not the substances of marijuana and alcohol. For the HEART by nature is DESPARATELY WICKED -- Jer 17:9
Looks like it.
Everyone has different experiences I suppose.
I do not argue against your testimony Seth. I believe you when you say that marijuana contributes to this dilemma. However, the fact that you had this same thing (impure thinking) PRIOR or ASIDE from marijuana use, exposes that as a "SOBER" problem as well...
Are you talking about the ROOT problem. Yet, the branches of a tree are just as much part of the tree as the root, just as physical chains can be an entrapment as the person who tied the person down. I agree bro, pot is not the ROOT problem, but a tree is more than its root. I am saying that for me pot was a negative influence making my mind leading to a lack of sobriety. The slave owner is the carnal mind, and the chains are the substances ranging from eating food to consuming alcohol to smoking pot in each individual case whether legal or illegal. Those actions are not sinful if they do not cause slavery to ungodliness, but they are sinful actions if they do.
Thanks for your honesty... this further cements that marijuana is not the "cause" for both before and after use, (aside from marijuana) you have had this same problem occur... Learn about yourself bro... there is no shame in learning.
You cannot blame marijuana for IMPURE thinking, for its experience has occured aside from use. The IMPURE thinking, is prompting from the FLESH, whether or not marijuana is used.
And pot and other substances work in the flesh to CAUSE impure thoughts. A causal factor does not indicate the root issue, nor was it my intention to suggest it was.