I had to make my answers short so didn't want you to think I am being short with YOU.
Thanks for that answer bro, but it did not really answer my question...
For the record, ...what is the definition (within your perception) of the "embodiement of God's character" bro?
Being Christlike, soberminded, righteous, godly in this present age.
This "embodiement" is a pretty big thing... and it only leads back to Him, that which HE sent out. If marijuana was put here by Him (and it was)... and He did not specify GUIDELINES for its use... then how can we determine MISUSE of it?
The leading of the Holy Spirit. And, by examining ourselves and our usage of it, which of course he guides us in. And anyone can say anything about what the Spirit leads them to do. But it's each person's issue according to their conscious.
As I see it, ...except by observing it with common sense, and moderation, there is no MISUSE of it...
That's a big exception.
JESUS threw over the tables in the temple... would THAT be part of the "embodiement"? If so, how?
Passion for what is right. It depends on how one is led by the Spirit.
I agree... since I have become a follower of God, I have used marijuana. And never once was my motive to be disobedient to God... Nor did I use it to "escape" anything.
God created SEX... and the proper USE of it is NOT SINFUL, however the IMPROPER use of it, IS SIN... Bingo, that was my whole point.
God created ALCOHOL... and the proper USE of it is NOT SINFUL, however the IMPROPER use of it IS SIN... see what I mean?
Improper use. And how do we determine what is improper? It's up the individual to examine himself with the guidance of the Spirit to know that.
Anything that is within our ability to choose personal involvement, CAN be SINFUL... but the SILENCE of Scripture concerning use of marijuana, or even Alcohol as "SIN"... is proof enough that it is NOT...
So when you ask, "is marijuana use sinful" I say "It can be." However, silence of scripture concerning the use of pot or alcohol is not proof enough for me it is not. That would be an argument from silence
. I would say the improper use of anything, including pot would be sinful even though the written word does not mention pot specifically.
~~ Is it Seth? Have you smoked or eaten pot? If you have, then you will KNOW that it hardly affects the mind NEGATIVELY, nor CONTROLS the mind...
~~ If you have NOT, then you are basing your statement that notes pot as "powerful" as opposed to "mudane" upon hearsay.
Wow bro... There must be behaviors in the Bay area, that are not present in Los Angeles or Spokane! I smoked pot for 10 solid years in Los Angeles and Spokane --- and a good 15 years (of much lesser use) in Spokane, with countless people on countless occasions, and NEVER ONCE did I ever witness NEGATIVITY arising from anyone using it in proximity to me -- NEVER ONCE!
I sure have, and I have been all around CA.
What do you mean by "less than sober" bro? "Sober" has quite a few applicable meanings...
In what way or ways did it "control" your mind?
I mean that I smoked it, and then I was stoned and my thoughts became far from God, and that is just me. It controlled my mind in that way to where I did not feel in control of my thoughts.
I see... This is understandable... but maybe marijuana was not the culprit. Don't mean to be sarcastic... but (unfortunately) I too, have had impure thoughts during my lifetime that had nothing to do with marijuana... They were moments that I will be happy to have stricken from the record, but when this occured during the use of marijuana, it was not the marijuana that "caused" the thoughts... nor imposed control of those thoughts... It was my mind that (in that moment) was not submitted to CHRIST, that "caused" those "impure" thoughts, not the marijuana.
Well for me, the pot was indeed the culprit.
Each of us is different, and I salute you for abandoning that which you find is an encumberance to your service to God (marijuana)... I do not find this encumberance concerning marijuana...
That's why I said that each person needs to examine himself. That was my whole point in saying that.
Again, what the individual personally esteems, is an individual concern. My question in this thread was more IN GENERAL... Such as, ...what the WORD might broadcast as a direction or teaching concerning it...
Now I know your question was more in general, but in fairness, you didn't specify. IMHO The Word will let people know individually whether it's fine or not.
Brother... ANYTHING can be IDOLIZED...
Brother, have I not been saying that?
and most of those I know who smoke or have smoked or eaten marijuana, did not embrace it as something IDOLIZED.
My experiences have been different.
Idolatry is a pretty common thing in the human race. Any man completely enamored by a beautiful woman, has indulged in this... Or anyone who just LOVES a given entertainer... or any SPORTS fanatic... or any CUISINE LOVER... or any DOG lover... or anyone who CLEANS his/her house obsessively... there is an UNENDING number of IDOLATRY considerations within human behavior...
How do we escape this? As sinful entities, we cannot. And, IMO in some ways, we should not.
I believe Christ is what caused me to escape it.
Redirecting the "IDOLIZING" by giving thanks to the giftings of our Creator, in submitting ourselves to Him...
Yes, I agree.
I am proud of my 33 year marriage to my beautiful wife, whom I remain PLEASED every time I see her face. Does this mean I "idolize" her? NO... it does not...
It means that I LOVE her, and CHERISH GOD for giving her to me... just as I give thanks to Him before breaking bread, and before going to sleep, for ALL the things He has given to me into my life... including the Detroit Lions...
IDOLATRY is (IMO) to LOVE something, leaving GOD -- out of it!
Great word! Idolatry is replacing God with something else.
As I said in my question above... If I use marijuana, and a wonderful and TRUTHFUL revelation comes forth from within me, ...is this WRONG in some way, because marijuana was a part of it?
I'm really not the judge of that in each individual case. God is your judge on matters like that, not me.
greed bro... but aside from that, marijuana and heroin are 2 completely different things -- in 2 completely different categories.
Heroin can KILL you if you overdose yourself.
Heroin is PHYSICALLY addictive after the first few uses.
Heroin does NOT come from the ground -- AS IS.
Heroin must be PROCESSED/manufactured in order to be used.
Marijuana cannot KILL you by overdose.
Marijuana is NOT PHYSICALLY addictive, even after hundreds of uses.
Marijuana COMES from the ground (and from GOD) -- AS IS
Marijuana needs NO PROCESSING to be used.
This is true, that heroin is different than pot. My point there was not to compare the two as similar or the same but to give and example of a gradation of things which can be more powerful than others in bringing someone to slavery. For me, food might be a bigger pull. For others pot might be that way.
I meant by "SILENCE", that GOD chose not to mention Marijuana in the written WORD, neither did He note MISUSE of it, nor did He note any directive concerning it... i.e. --> "silence". If NOTHING is said... then NOTHING is said.
Yes I agree, in the written word it is silent. However, the living Word is given for guidance in our daily lives, who is not silent. That was my point.
So can EATING (I enjoy a good breakfast or dinner)... ...or SPORTS (I enjoy sports)... or WATCHING MOVIES (I also enjoy movies -- have quite a collection!)...
For if one ESTEEMS too highly the FOOD, or the ATHLETES, or the ACTORS, then one is IDOLIZING, and that dear brother is SIN, in the very same way, as is proposed of marijuana.
As I previously stated... "SIN" that is not PLAINLY defined in Scripture, becomes a matter of PERSONAL conviction... and any personal conviction, must remain personal... and should not be leveled (as a measure) toward another which does not hold the same conviction...
IOW -- you might love mayonnaise, but I do not... because I do not, ...I must be careful to not hold any ill feelings or judgment toward you -- for loving it...
That I used the word "NO" in the OP... was for brevities sake, and as promised, I have had more than -- "NO" -- to say about the subject.
PS... I hope this (my belief that marijuana is NOT of itself, nor in moderate use, is evil) does not lessen our friendship in any way.
WillieH, I hope I am not sounding like as though I would think differently of you. In fact I think if you read my posts, they pretty much say that there is no fast and hard rule on that subject, which is something you agree with right?
BTW, I HATE mayo. That is why I smiled when I saw that.