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Erica:
Hi im Erica...and i just wanted to respond to your post Chris...as long as you have asked God to forgive you of your sin...you are definately forgiven! Please do not be tormented by how you feel. Trust me i have sinned alot...and I too felt like i was not going to make it to heaven, but then God told me that im forgiven! So if you asked God to forgive you then your forgiven! If you need prayer feel free to let me know...God bless you!

In Christ...Erica :happygrin:

martincisneros:
As far as the unpardonable sin, I'm sorta standing here as Exhibit-A regarding this sin.  Thoughts were the least of what I did several years ago.  I know I crossed that line.  Christians with no knowledge of what I'd done had some interesting comments for me during that season, that could have only come from the Holy Spirit.  I'm not talking about a single incident or even a few incidents.  It would be nice to say that I was demonized at the time so that it could be said that perhaps it wasn't me spewing all of that, but....

Jesus said some things about the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, and then He took a beating on His Face and released Water from His side on the Cross in order to separate you from the present time demension.  All of these sins have been eternally punished in the Body of Jesus Christ.  And if you're moved by the love and atoning work of the Son of God, then take that opportunity to totally cast the whole of your past, of your present, and of your future at His feet. 

There are as many demensions of time as there are individuals in the Creation, and Jesus Christ can transport you from that road to destruction and can convey you not only into His loving embrace, heaven, the new earth, etc., but He can part the waters of time that would separate you from Him and He can cast away from you all of that condemnation and raise you up even from this death that you've died in your soul for having committed this sin.  I know about this particular death because I died it a few years ago.

Look at the Light and at the Blood in the Light.  Don't look at the Darkness.  Tune out the laughs and moans that you might hear in your quieter moments.  Tune out the nervousness and the bottomless feeling in the pit of your stomach.  Reach for that nail pierced Hand as you look into those tear-filled eyes that have never given up on you!  He warned you of the danger of this sin and of the magnitude of the damage that you'd create with it.  But He's not pushing you away.  That's a demon that would try to exclude you from His grace, even if it's quoting Scriptures to you as it did to Jesus when it tempted Him.

You can climb up that well that you've fallen into.  Don't let this thing swallow you!  God's Hand is on the other side of the mouth of this beast whose belly you feel like you're trapped within.  The fear, the shame, the condemnation that you're feeling for having done this isn't coming from your heavenly Father.  It's a cloud of deception that's surrounded you whose origins are religious, demonic, and psychic.  Grab a Bible and start reading St. Paul's epistles. 

If it's still too heavy, then go to one of the healing ministries like Kenneth E. Hagin's or Oral Roberts ministry* and get an audio copy of the healing Scriptures so you can listen to those over and over and over again.  Go to www.haroldlovelace.com and order a copy of his book on the Universal Restoration.  It's called "Read And Search God's Plan...of His mercy upon all..."  Read through that book after you've listened to one of those healing Scriptures tapes or CDs a few times and when you get to the Scripture section of Harold's book, just spend hours reading those Scriptures of God's mercy upon all over and over and over again. 

In your Bible, read Ephesians, Colossians, and Romans chapter 8 over and over and over again and just bathe your mind in God's Word.  You don't have to "produce" something or have anything memorized.  Just bathe in it and hide in God's Word from all of the religion, politics, and entertainment industry that surrounds you.  This is a season where you're working on something.  Hide in God's Word until there's nothing screaming at you any more except for God's passionate, passionate and intoxicating love for you and for all of Creation!




*As a bit of clarification, I'm always going to point you in the direction of the Scriptures, more than necessarily at either the particular doctrines of others or whatever, although I may mention specific ministries for the sake of letting you know where to find this or that, that I personally believe would be most helpful.  My advocation of a particular product isn't necessarily an advocation of everything that particular teachers and ministries would have to offer in product catalogues or in their meetings.  The Scriptures on audio cassette or audio CD are very helpful, particularly when they're as many Scriptures as possible on a particular theme and particularly when the themes are various aspects of the Goodness of our Lord.

AbbasChild:
Hi Martin,
thank you for sharing. About ten years ago I was going through a similar experiemce that almost cost me my life. It truly was the dark night of the soul.

But our Abba Father's Love prevailed in the end and now I know that nothing can seperate me from His Love in Christ Jesus. Shortly after this the flow of the Holy Spirit was released in my life accompanyied by the gift of tongues.

Hang in there Chris, Abba is going to reveal His Unconditional Love, Radical Grace and Unlimited Mercy to you.

martincisneros:
I'd noticed this on the guest board a while back and I wasn't sure about whether or not to comment on it, because this sin has such a stigma associated with it.  It's sorta like how some of the denominations were treating the divorced for years and years.  Either nobody with half a brain really commits this sin, or the only real danger is if a cessationist opens their mouths about a miracle ministry in the Body of Christ.  Those are pretty much how the theories go.  And then the magnitude of consequences that Jesus attached to this sin probably leads a lot of people in the Body of Christ to think "nobody that I personally know has ever stepped across those lines!"  And then all of the excuses start coming up if there's a nervousness that this sin has been committed.  The ol' "the devil made me do it" that used to be a favorite excuse on a bunch of other stuff.

If time's a factor in keeping anyone away from the Lord because of a sin of this nature, the Lord's more than capable of creating a brand new time line upon which to place the person who has committed this sin.  Some might say that there's no promise of that.  And in my early years in UR, I'd of given precisely the exact same answer as Tony Nungesser gave above.  And then after a while, I got to thinking.... But, wait a minute, [letter of the law vs. life-giving Spirit again] I've done this kinda crap both in my preteens and in my early 20s around 1996 and 1997.  And yet, few in the history of mankind have ever been recipients of as much of the grace of God as I've received, IF anybody else has ever received this much grace 'cause absolutely all grace without any limitation or qualification is abounding towards me perpetually without any end in sight. 

The beautiful thing about our Lord though, is that as much grace as I've been a recipient of, it's available to anyone else that's ever committed this sin.  All of God's grace is even available for those who have a bit of the nervousness about having committed this sin.  Whether or not they got into a God cursing, God cussing fit that included some underwhelming observations and declarations about the Holy Spirit and having quite a mouthful about various well-known ministries that probably have more of the supernatural touch from the Lord than the Lord even uses to sustain the multiverse, or if they're under the impression that they've done other things that were just as bad.  God's grace is greater!

Afterlife punishments in the Old Testament tended to work out in the lives of one's descendants instead of being something that one would personally face post mortem.  I'm starting to believe that Jesus was speaking to a Jewish culture about the sins against the Holy Spirit being passed down to the third and fourth generation when He said that there wasn't forgiveness for this sin in this age or in the age to come.  However, that mostly related to that generation to which He was ministering that faced a very very rough end to the century with the destruction of Jerusalem.  It was a warning that if they didn't repent, then it wouldn't go well with their kids and grand kids, that had a very sad fulfillment because they didn't heed His warning.  He wasn't threatening them with a level of harm that His Cross couldn't reclaim them from.  Otherwise a sin would have successfully challenged His power, wisdom, provision, lovingkindness, and tender mercies!

Having one's name rubbed out in the Old Testament was about having one's name rubbed out from under heaven as God sometimes spoke to the Israelites about with regards to how severe they were to come down on their enemies.  This was the practice of other cultures as well, that in some instances, they'd completely wipe out the memory of some from under the sun.  This could be the case with individuals, families, and cities.  But this hardly related to one's post mortem condition.

Solomon said that the spirit of the man would return to God Who gave it.  Period.  There's no other afterlife provisions that have been made either in the Old or New Testaments.  Those who died through Adam will most surely be made alive through Jesus Christ, each in their own order of life and death generation after generation until the resurrection.  And the resurrection will be about participating on the New Earth.

As soon as UR goes mainstream, there have got to be dozens of books that are published with regards to this particular sin 'cause a lot of people have committed it.  And if they're unrepentant, then they are "dead men walking," but there is recovery for all from every imaginable and unimaginable sin through Jesus Christ.  Jesus Christ in His death overshadowed the entire spectrum of what scientists would call "superstring theory" and every time demension in existence finds it's summation and consummation in Him.  And from the perspective of His foreshadowing and overshadowing of all of time with His glory, His death, and His resurrection He HAS TAKEN AWAY THE SIN OF THE WORLD.

AbbasChild:

--- Quote from: martincisneros on May 09, 2008, 02:00:25 AM ---I'd noticed this on the guest board a while back and I wasn't sure about whether or not to comment on it, because this sin has such a stigma associated with it.  It's sorta like how some of the denominations were treating the divorced for years and years.  Either nobody with half a brain really commits this sin, or the only real danger is if a cessationist opens their mouths about a miracle ministry in the Body of Christ.  Those are pretty much how the theories go.  And then the magnitude of consequences that Jesus attached to this sin probably leads a lot of people in the Body of Christ to think "nobody that I personally know has ever stepped across those lines!"  And then all of the excuses start coming up if there's a nervousness that this sin has been committed.  The ol' "the devil made me do it" that used to be a favorite excuse on a bunch of other stuff.

If time's a factor in keeping anyone away from the Lord because of a sin of this nature, the Lord's more than capable of creating a brand new time line upon which to place the person who has committed this sin.  Some might say that there's no promise of that.  And in my early years in UR, I'd of given precisely the exact same answer as Tony Nungesser gave above.  And then after a while, I got to thinking.... But, wait a minute, [letter of the law vs. life-giving Spirit again] I've done this kinda crap both in my preteens and in my early 20s around 1996 and 1997.  And yet, few in the history of mankind have ever been recipients of as much of the grace of God as I've received, IF anybody else has ever received this much grace 'cause absolutely all grace without any limitation or qualification is abounding towards me perpetually without any end in sight. 

The beautiful thing about our Lord though, is that as much grace as I've been a recipient of, it's available to anyone else that's ever committed this sin.  All of God's grace is even available for those who have a bit of the nervousness about having committed this sin.  Whether or not they got into a God cursing, God cussing fit that included some underwhelming observations and declarations about the Holy Spirit and having quite a mouthful about various well-known ministries that probably have more of the supernatural touch from the Lord than the Lord even uses to sustain the multiverse, or if they're under the impression that they've done other things that were just as bad.  God's grace is greater!

Afterlife punishments in the Old Testament tended to work out in the lives of one's descendants instead of being something that one would personally face post mortem.  I'm starting to believe that Jesus was speaking to a Jewish culture about the sins against the Holy Spirit being passed down to the third and fourth generation when He said that there wasn't forgiveness for this sin in this age or in the age to come.  However, that mostly related to that generation to which He was ministering that faced a very very rough end to the century with the destruction of Jerusalem.  It was a warning that if they didn't repent, then it wouldn't go well with their kids and grand kids, that had a very sad fulfillment because they didn't heed His warning.  He wasn't threatening them with a level of harm that His Cross couldn't reclaim them from.  Otherwise a sin would have successfully challenged His power, wisdom, provision, lovingkindness, and tender mercies!

Having one's name rubbed out in the Old Testament was about having one's name rubbed out from under heaven as God sometimes spoke to the Israelites about with regards to how severe they were to come down on their enemies.  This was the practice of other cultures as well, that in some instances, they'd completely wipe out the memory of some from under the sun.  This could be the case with individuals, families, and cities.  But this hardly related to one's post mortem condition.

Solomon said that the spirit of the man would return to God Who gave it.  Period.  There's no other afterlife provisions that have been made either in the Old or New Testaments.  Those who died through Adam will most surely be made alive through Jesus Christ, each in their own order of life and death generation after generation until the resurrection.  And the resurrection will be about participating on the New Earth.

As soon as UR goes mainstream, there have got to be dozens of books that are published with regards to this particular sin 'cause a lot of people have committed it.  And if they're unrepentant, then they are "dead men walking," but there is recovery for all from every imaginable and unimaginable sin through Jesus Christ.  Jesus Christ in His death overshadowed the entire spectrum of what scientists would call "superstring theory" and every time demension in existence finds it's summation and consummation in Him.  And from the perspective of His foreshadowing and overshadowing of all of time with His glory, His death, and His resurrection He HAS TAKEN AWAY THE SIN OF THE WORLD.

--- End quote ---

 :thumbsup:

Good stuff!

My thinking goes in this direction as well.

Just found this excerpt by Thomas Allin again and found it rather interesting:

"HE THAT SHALL BLASPHEME AGAINST THE HOLY GHOST HAS NEVER FORGIVENESS, BUT IS IN DANGER OF ETERNAL DAMNATION." S. Mark iii. 29, S. Matt. xii. 32.

 

On a question involving the interpretation of a phrase, drawn from a language still living in their day, it is most important to note the attitude of most Fathers towards this sin. "The notion," says BINGHAM, "that most of the antients had of the sin against the Holy Ghost, was not that it was absolutely unpardonable, but that men were to be punished for it both in this world and in the next, unless they truly repented of it." - vol. ii. 921 So ATHANASIUS says of this sin, "If they repent they may obtain pardon, for there is no sin unpardonable with God to them who truly repent." - De comm. essent. So S. CHRYSOSTOM, "We know that this sin was forgiven to some that repented of it." * * What is then the than meaning of it? That it is a sin less capable of forgiveness than all others, - Hom. xlii. in S. Matt. xii. So VICTOR of Antioch - Comm. in S. Marc. iii., S. AMBROSE - De penit. ii .4, &c. And so DIONYSIUS (Syrus), as late as the tenth century, says: "Many, who did blaspheme. against the Holy Ghost, afterwards repented, and obtained pardon," - translated from a Syriac MSS. (Dubl. 1762.) Two points are very noteworthy; (I.) that these Fathers did not believe any sin to be in itself unpardonable, (II.) that they did not believe the phrases eis ton aiona or aionios, to mean in strictness "never," or "everlasting," as our version renders them. And so nobody will press the similar phrase as to the iniquity of Eli's house not being purged for ever - 1 Sam. iii. 14, to mean that it was literally unpardonable.

 

I may add that if we retain the authorized text in S. .Mark, the word rendered "damnation" is merely "judgment." But the true reading is probably hamartematos=sin, i.e., is guilty of a. sin, whose results last into a future age or ages. The phrase translated "never," is so far from meaning this literally, that it is elsewhere in Scripture followed by "and beyond," i.e., and after, e.g., Ex. xv. 18, Dan. xii. 3, &c. In S. Matt, the parallel passage is differently worded. "It shall not be forgiven in this world (i.e., age) nor in that which is to come." These words imply that there is forgiveness for sin after this life in very many cases - (an awkward fact for the traditional creed,) and therefore repentance after death is quite possible. Next, there is no assertion whatever that, after this age, and that to come, there may not be forgiveness even for the sin v. the Holy Ghost. A few words may be added. This terrible sin is the sin of the Scribes and Pharisees, i.e., of the hard, narrow religionist, and not of the ungodly. The sin itself is very clearly defined, "because they said, He has an unclean spirit," v. 30. Its essence lies in confounding the works of the Good and Evil Spirits, as, e.g., assigning to God any kind of evil act, p. 37,8. Must it not be a near approximation to this awful sin to assign to God deeds which, like endless torture, our conscience tells us are evil and cruel?

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