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The Hell Thread

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97531:
Well this topic keeps getting recycled so lets make one that is sticky that we can all share and hopefully newbies can learn from it.

Let's get a picture:

B_T:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_hell

You had to start with this :)

Shadow:
The biblical doctrine of hell examined (supports ET) sounds familiar :thewife: :hammerhead:

http://www.graceonlinelibrary.org/articles/full.asp?id=9|23|89


     VS

Absolute Assurance

in

JESUS CHRIST :Peck: :love4: :Urock:

Four Views of the Salvation of Our God

 http://www.sigler.org/slagle/absolute.htm

I must say I prefer the Absolute Assurance article :girlheart: :boyheart:

james.goetz:
Despite the Roman takeover of Christian doctrine, many people in the Early Church believed that New Testament books such as 1 Peter taught that hell was temporary. See http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Prevailing.html.

I also like my article http://theoperspectives.blogspot.com/2007/10/orthodoxy-and-gregory-of-nyssas.html.

Shadow:

--- Quote ---The Letter From Hell

One day a woman named Louise fell asleep in her bed, and dreamed a very
frightful dream. She dreamed that someone in Hell wrote a letter to her, and it was
to be delivered to her by a messenger. The messenger passed between the lakes
of Hell, and found his way to the door that would lead him to the outside
world.

Louise dreamed that the messenger walked to her house, came inside, and
gently but firmly woke Louise up. He gave her the message, saying only a friend had
written it to her from Hell. Louise, in her dream, with trembling hands took
the letter and read:

My Friend I stand in Judgment now,
And feel that you're to blame somehow.
On earth, I walked with you day by day,
And never did you point the way.

You knew the Lord in truth and glory,
But never did you tell the story.
My knowledge then was very dim;
You could have led me safe to Him.

Though we lived together on the earth,
you never told me of the second birth,
and now I stand this day condemned,
Because you failed to mention Him.

You taught me many things, that's true,
I called you "friend" and trusted you,
But I learn now that it's too late,
You could have kept me from this fate.

We walked by day and talked by night,
And yet you showed me not the light.
You let me live, and love, and die,
You knew I'd never live on high.

Yes, I called you a "friend" in life,
And trusted you through joy and strife.
And yet on coming to the end,
I cannot, now, call you "My Friend."

Marsha

After reading the letter, Louise awoke. The dream was still so real in her
mind and sweat dropped from her body in pools. She swore she could still smell
the acidic stench of brimstone and smoke from her room. As she contemplated the
meaning of her dream, she realized that as a Christian,
she failed in her duty to "Go out to all the world and preach the Gospel." As
she thought of that, she promised herself that the next day, she would call
Marsha and invite her to church with her.

The next morning she called Marsha and this was the conversation:

"Bill, Is Marsha there?"
"Louise, you don't know?"
"No, Bill, know what?"
"Marsha was Killed Last Night In A Car Accident. I thought you knew."

~ Author Unknown ~

--- End quote ---

Has anyone seen something like this, apparently there's a You Tube clip similar to this, also it seems as if this is based on a Jack Chick comic

Why I brought this up, is that in the past I would always have somehow felt I was to blame, if someone died and I hadn't told them about Christ and getting saved :mshock:(perhaps because I've never been able to embrace the ET doctrine) ie What will happen if I don't accept Christ, will I go to hell

But I have to ask the question, if God wanted her reached then, being All Knowing and Sovereign, he would have found another way

Was it really Louise's fault  :sigh:

The trouble is that in churches they tell us that God hates sin so much, His justice is what sends us to hell if we don't choose Christ

How can we be entirely to blame when:


--- Quote ---Isa 45:5  I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
Isa 45:6  That they may know from the rising of the sun,and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.
Isa 45:7  I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace,and create evil: the LORD do all these things
--- End quote ---



--- Quote --- Rom 8:20  For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
Rom 8:21  Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
Rom 8:22  For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
Rom 8:23  And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
--- End quote ---





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