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Re: Unforgiveable Sin
« Reply #400 on: October 19, 2014, 03:53:43 AM »
Don't forget it again.

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Re: Unforgiveable Sin
« Reply #401 on: October 19, 2014, 04:09:12 AM »

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Re: Unforgiveable Sin
« Reply #402 on: October 19, 2014, 06:04:12 AM »
why does god hate???

The Bible says God is love.  Some UR believers say people like Hitler are just another of God's children gone astray, or that God orchestrated it and therefor by implication, that person really isn't "all that bad".  On the other hand, many people who speak against UR say God absolutely can punish people forever, because the Bible says He hates not only the sin, but also actually hates the sinner.

from www.doesgodhate.com

"Does God Hate Anyone?
The answer is an absolute yes.  God certainly hates people... you don't have to take my word for it.  Read the following verses and it's clear to see that God hates people.
Psalm 5:5, "The boastful shall not stand before Thine eyes; Thou dost hate all who do iniquity,"
Psalm 11:5, "The Lord tests the righteous and the wicked, and the one who loves violence His soul hates."
Lev. 20:23, "Moreover, you shall not follow the customs of the nation which I shall drive out before you, for they did all these things, and therefore I have abhorred them."
Prov. 6:16-19, "There are six things which the Lord hates, yes, seven which are an abomination to Him: 17Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18 A heart that devises wicked plans, feet that run rapidly to evil, 19 A false witness who utters lies, and one who spreads strife among brothers."
Hosea 9:15, "All their evil is at Gilgal; indeed, I came to hate them there! Because of the wickedness of their deeds I will drive them out of My house! I will love them no more; All their princes are rebels."

So, does God hate the sin, but love the people?  Well, yes and no.  God does hate the sin, and he also hates the sinner.  See how the Bible states that [God hates] all who do iniquity.  It doesn't say that God hates all the iniquity that people do... it clearly states that God hates the actual person who does the iniquity (sin)." - www.doesgodhate.com

i keep trying to stay convinced he is love and only wants all to be saved but this seems to say otherwise  ..... how can he say love enemies but hate his own???
None of those verses state how long God hates.
None of those verses states how long punishes the ones He hates.
The answer is that God hate ends soon. The prove can also be found in Psalms.
There are main verses in Psalms praising the mercy of God.
At least part of those mercies are about God re-embracing sinners (under punishment).

God sent His Son to redeem the world. Why would He bother doing that if He hates the whole world? Yeah, He must hate all creation because Romans 3:23 clearly stated all are sinners. It's useless to send Jesus to only save people that haven't sinned. Besides there aren't such people they don't need salvation.
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: Unforgiveable Sin
« Reply #403 on: October 19, 2014, 06:25:50 AM »
Let's try this, Jesus is the Saviour of the world and it is good and acceptable before God that all men will be saved, so all men will be saved, so there is no unpardonable sin, all sin will be forgiven. Now most certainly all who have sinned will be brought through the fire, refined, and purified. For we know that every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.
1Co 12:3  wherefore, I give you to understand that no one, in the Spirit of God speaking, saith Jesus is anathema, and no one is able to say Jesus is Lord, except in the Holy Spirit.

Rest in Him........ :dsunny:
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Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

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Re: Unforgiveable Sin
« Reply #404 on: October 19, 2014, 07:54:59 AM »
 :iagree:

Resting your heart in Grace
Makes it softer.

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Re: Unforgiveable Sin
« Reply #405 on: October 19, 2014, 08:08:47 AM »
Let's try this, Jesus is the Saviour of the world and it is good and acceptable before God that all men will be saved, so all men will be saved, so there is no unpardonable sin, all sin will be forgiven. Now most certainly all who have sinned will be brought through the fire, refined, and purified. For we know that every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.
1Co 12:3  wherefore, I give you to understand that no one, in the Spirit of God speaking, saith Jesus is anathema, and no one is able to say Jesus is Lord, except in the Holy Spirit.

Rest in Him........ :dsunny:

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don't you try too hard to make it on your own strength
that's why Jesus died for you
it's a fight for sure but those who will endure
are those who have learned to trust in Him

you just take a rest in His arms
you just take a rest in His arms
when you trust in Him the world can do no harm
you just take a rest in His arms

we're saved by grace and that not of ourselves
lest anyone of us should boast
it took Jesus' death on Calvary
so why not trust in Him to save your soul

you just take a rest in His arms
you just take a rest in His arms
when you trust in Him the world can do no harm
you just take a rest in His arms


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Re: Unforgiveable Sin
« Reply #406 on: October 19, 2014, 05:32:08 PM »
forgot this again: Paul said, "for that which I do I allow not: for what I would that do I not; but what I hate, that do I" (Rom. 7:15, 20) "Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me."

Here it is again so you don't forget, and remember this is written by the guy who talked about God's grace the most after being changed from being a persecutor of believers, even responsible for the execution of some, to the apostle that spread the evangel the farthest of them all. It's because of him that those of us of the nations know that we have been blessed with God's grace too. So don't be thinking you're beyond reconciliation with God. God's grace can change your life too if you just believe!

"For what I am effecting I know not, for not what I will, this I am putting into practice, but what I am hating, this I am doing. Now if what I am not willing, this I am doing, I am conceding that the law is ideal. Yet now it is no longer I who am effecting it, but Sin making its home in me. For I am aware that good is not making its home in me (that is, in my flesh), for to will is lying beside me, yet to be effecting the ideal is not. For it is not the good that I will that I am doing, but the evil that I am not willing, this I am putting into practice. Now if what I am not willing, this I am doing, it is no longer I who am effecting it, but Sin which is making its home in me. Consequently, I am finding the law that, at my willing to be doing the ideal, the evil is lying beside me. For I am gratified with the law of God as to the man within, yet I am observing a different law in my members, warring with the law of my mind, and leading me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. A wretched man am I! What will rescue me out of this body of death? Grace! I thank God, through Jesus Christ, our Lord. Consequently, then, I myself, with the mind, indeed, am slaving for God's law, yet with the flesh for Sin's law. Nothing, consequently, is now condemnation to those in Christ Jesus. Not according to flesh are they walking, but according to spirit, for the spirit's law of life in Christ Jesus frees you from the law of sin and death." (Romans 7:15-8:2)
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Re: Unforgiveable Sin
« Reply #407 on: October 19, 2014, 05:45:01 PM »
"For I am the least of the apostles, who am not competent to be called an apostle, because I persecute the ecclesia of God. Yet, in the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace, which is in me, did not come to be for naught, but more exceedingly than all of them toil I--yet not I, but the grace of God which is with me." (1 Corinthians 15:9,10)

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Re: Unforgiveable Sin
« Reply #408 on: October 19, 2014, 05:52:38 PM »
Don't forget it again.

And remember again.

It is a process.  As you continue to remember, it becomes more and more your norm. 

We get gripped with fears that come from deeply held doctrines and we once embraced.  This is how the lord "burns the chafe" in our understanding.

We all still have the chafe to be burned.  It was burned, is being burned, and will one day be completely consumed by the fire of God, and love of God will be shed abroad completely in our heart and hearts.

It is an individual burning and a corporate burning.  I love watching the corporate come together with the fire that has changed the understanding and reversed doctrines that we did not even know that we held.

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Re: Unforgiveable Sin
« Reply #409 on: October 19, 2014, 06:16:27 PM »
Don't forget it again.

And remember again.

It is a process.  As you continue to remember, it becomes more and more your norm. 

We get gripped with fears that come from deeply held doctrines and we once embraced.  This is how the lord "burns the chafe" in our understanding.

We all still have the chafe to be burned.  It was burned, is being burned, and will one day be completely consumed by the fire of God, and love of God will be shed abroad completely in our heart and hearts.

It is an individual burning and a corporate burning.  I love watching the corporate come together with the fire that has changed the understanding and reversed doctrines that we did not even know that we held.

 :flamebreath:

:growingUp:

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   Enter the   Day Light   from faith to  new found   faith in Him  :thumbsup:   do not shrink back into fear  and condemnation   all over again , its by His grace you are saved   or any of us for that matter  , it is the works of the Holy Spirit  , to Gods glory   though Jesus Christ .
 

16for I am not ashamed of the good news of the Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation to every one who is believing, both to Jew first, and to Greek.


 17For the righteousness of God in it is revealed from faith to faith, according as it hath been written, 'And the righteous one by faith shall live,'
 
 When I return will I find faith in the earth    . we live by faith in works   of the Living God   to save , its not of ourselves it is the gift !
   we receive  this    gift by faith and its not of ourselves  :flowerred:

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Re: Unforgiveable Sin
« Reply #410 on: October 20, 2014, 05:21:12 AM »
 :HeartThrob:  god's love is greater then his hate...his mercy endures forever... i feel like i am in tug-o-war with my spirit and my heart... :bumbrage: 

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Re: Unforgiveable Sin
« Reply #411 on: October 20, 2014, 06:34:46 AM »
Even God's hate is for correctional/teaching purposes which originate from love.

Your tug-o-war isn't between your heart and spirit but between you and satan trying to steal the happy Gospel you found on TM....
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: Unforgiveable Sin
« Reply #412 on: October 20, 2014, 02:55:32 PM »
Even God's hate is for correctional/teaching purposes which originate from love.

Your tug-o-war isn't between your heart and spirit but between you and satan trying to steal the happy Gospel you found on TM....

Well said, well said! :dsunny:
Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.