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Re: Unforgiveable Sin
« Reply #100 on: July 16, 2010, 03:38:58 AM »
The sin is defined as attributing that of God to the devil.  But from what I understand about the circumstances, the Pharisees were right there all along when Jesus was performing his miracles, and it seemed like it was pretty convincing, but the Pharisees had such hard hearts towards anything against their system of theology that they refused to even see Jesus as the son of God, despite all the miracles.  They should have seen it, but instead blamed it on satan.  Plus it seems logical that the most hardened would take the longest time to be forgiven due to extreme stubborness. 

But what I wondering about attributing something of God to the Devil mean you mistaked something Godly for being demonic, due to limited knowledge.  Problem is, I have accused many things of being demonic, like various Marian Apparitions, the Government, the Current Church system, illness, annoyances from relatives, ect.  Mostly because they yeilded bad fruits, and not because of any pre-concieved notion. 

The best explanation I have heard was a willful, and knowledgeable acts of attributing acts of the Holy Spirit with that of the devil.  This would be someone who hates God and is trying to slander the Holy Spirit.

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Re: Unforgiveable Sin
« Reply #101 on: August 25, 2013, 05:11:19 PM »
Query from Chris

Hi, please I really need your help. I think I have committed the unforgivable sin. I was on bed reading the word of God and came by the scripture which talks about blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Instantly I thought a disgusting thought in my head. Curse words came into my head and I don't know how but I cursed the Holy Spirit. Sometime it comes back into my head and I hate it.

I don't know why this happened, but after reading on the internet I saw that it had happened to other people. I don't hate the Holy Spirit, I love God and I was even praying that the Holy Spirit would come into me and help me to serve God better. I was really hungry for God and growing spiritually each day. Now I am absolutely terrified that I am going to Hell, it is so frightening.
 
It has ruined me and I have stopped going to church. No matter how much I read about it on sites like these and people tell me that I haven't committed this sin I still think I am lost forever. It seems nothing can comfort me because I am just so unsure. How can I know, or anyone else know for sure? Doesn't it say that if you committ this sin that you while not be forgiven in this age, or the age to come and that all blasphemy shall be forgiven, but blasphemy against the holy spirit will not? I want forgiveness so badly, but it feels so far away from me, I feel like I am beyond forgiveness.
Please please help me, thanks, Chris
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Re: Unforgiveable Sin
« Reply #102 on: October 15, 2013, 07:00:52 AM »
To Chris:

In Romans 7 Paul speaks of the war between the carnal mind and the spiritual mind. He says, "WHo shall free me from the body of this death! Thank God for Jesus! Therefore(because of Christs sacrifice) there is now no more condemnation for those who are IN CHRIST JESUS, who walk in the spirit, and not according to the flesh."

You see, when you believed, every sin was wiped away. Those Pharisees never believed. What you are experiencing is the railing of the judged carnal managainst the resurrection of Christ within you. Its OK. You are not to be condemned. You must simply see the serpent nailed to the stick in the wilderness(I was crucified in Christ)

In "doing away with the body of the sins of the flesh" we are set free from the body of this death- BY FORGIVENESS. It is the very condemnation you are feeling that empowers the carnal mind, the "strong man", the Pharoah within who would drag you back into bondage.

When you see the two as separate, one- judged already in the crucifixion of Christ.....the other-raised in new life through the resurrection of Jesus within your spirit(come out of the tomb of Adam, raised and ascended to the right hand as a son- YOU WILL DECLARE TO THAT VOICE< GET BEHIND ME SATAN(accuser/adversary) I love my deliverer.

You wil then begin to experience more and more freedom from the carnal man.

The carnal "old" man is disarmed at the cross, "For He disarmed the principalities and powers making an open show of them".

He did this by taking away the laws contained in statutes and putting you into a new law- LOVE AND THE SPIRIT OF LIFE IN CHRIST JESUS- which is only in you by the HOLY SPIRIt who is Christ and God who you love.

If you did not love them you would not be so mortified by the thought that you may hav committed an unforgiveable sin.

You havent. You are merely being tricked by the adversary, beaten by the taskmaster, and accused by the accuser. God has shut his mout by the blood of His Son, MORE POWERFUL THAN ANY ACCUSATION WIELDED AGAINST YOU.

Rejoice when you hear that voice, the adversary is angry because HIS TIME IS GROWING SHORTER AND SHORTER AS THE LIGHT Of CHRIST ARISES IN YOU FROM THE DAWN UNTO THE FULL NOON

He is seeking to beseige the saints and wear them out, remember, he boasts against the most high and speaks blashphemies(THAT IS NOT YOU- IT IS THE BITTER ECHOES OF THE DEAD MAN) but their deliverer will come out of Zion like the wind and blow the cobwebs of that old liar away.

the old man is crucified with Christ. he is "buried with Him in baptism. You are a new man- RAISED IN THE IMAGE OF CHRIST. Be renewed in the spirit of your mind and trust the blood of Jesus to work in you a glorious(tho perhaps sometimes grueling ;o) transformation.

Then you will say, "This is what the Lord did for me" and one day another like you will be set free by your testimony- I kno this because I was you for years, until I saw that Jesus had truly set nme free from that old man and he had no more power over me. Even when I fail, and it seems he won, he loses because

If we confess our sins He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins AND TO CLEANSE US FROM ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS. The devil cant win, the old man is dead, and you, my dear saint- cannot lose, simply trust His love and wait on His deliverance. It is coming.
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Re: Unforgiveable Sin
« Reply #103 on: October 15, 2013, 02:45:28 PM »
To Chris:

In Romans 7 Paul speaks of the war between the carnal mind and the spiritual mind. He says, "WHo shall free me from the body of this death! Thank God for Jesus! Therefore(because of Christs sacrifice) there is now no more condemnation for those who are IN CHRIST JESUS, who walk in the spirit, and not according to the flesh."

You see, when you believed, every sin was wiped away. Those Pharisees never believed. What you are experiencing is the railing of the judged carnal managainst the resurrection of Christ within you. Its OK. You are not to be condemned. You must simply see the serpent nailed to the stick in the wilderness(I was crucified in Christ)

In "doing away with the body of the sins of the flesh" we are set free from the body of this death- BY FORGIVENESS. It is the very condemnation you are feeling that empowers the carnal mind, the "strong man", the Pharoah within who would drag you back into bondage.

When you see the two as separate, one- judged already in the crucifixion of Christ.....the other-raised in new life through the resurrection of Jesus within your spirit(come out of the tomb of Adam, raised and ascended to the right hand as a son- YOU WILL DECLARE TO THAT VOICE< GET BEHIND ME SATAN(accuser/adversary) I love my deliverer.

You wil then begin to experience more and more freedom from the carnal man.

The carnal "old" man is disarmed at the cross, "For He disarmed the principalities and powers making an open show of them".

He did this by taking away the laws contained in statutes and putting you into a new law- LOVE AND THE SPIRIT OF LIFE IN CHRIST JESUS- which is only in you by the HOLY SPIRIt who is Christ and God who you love.

If you did not love them you would not be so mortified by the thought that you may hav committed an unforgiveable sin.

You havent. You are merely being tricked by the adversary, beaten by the taskmaster, and accused by the accuser. God has shut his mout by the blood of His Son, MORE POWERFUL THAN ANY ACCUSATION WIELDED AGAINST YOU.

Rejoice when you hear that voice, the adversary is angry because HIS TIME IS GROWING SHORTER AND SHORTER AS THE LIGHT Of CHRIST ARISES IN YOU FROM THE DAWN UNTO THE FULL NOON

He is seeking to beseige the saints and wear them out, remember, he boasts against the most high and speaks blashphemies(THAT IS NOT YOU- IT IS THE BITTER ECHOES OF THE DEAD MAN) but their deliverer will come out of Zion like the wind and blow the cobwebs of that old liar away.

the old man is crucified with Christ. he is "buried with Him in baptism. You are a new man- RAISED IN THE IMAGE OF CHRIST. Be renewed in the spirit of your mind and trust the blood of Jesus to work in you a glorious(tho perhaps sometimes grueling ;o) transformation.

Then you will say, "This is what the Lord did for me" and one day another like you will be set free by your testimony- I kno this because I was you for years, until I saw that Jesus had truly set nme free from that old man and he had no more power over me. Even when I fail, and it seems he won, he loses because

If we confess our sins He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins AND TO CLEANSE US FROM ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS. The devil cant win, the old man is dead, and you, my dear saint- cannot lose, simply trust His love and wait on His deliverance. It is coming.

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Re: Unforgiveable Sin
« Reply #104 on: October 15, 2013, 05:11:27 PM »
Loved your post EW,may he be comforted in it....Nothing canseperate you fromthe love

of God that isfound in Jesus Christ,brother.   As a matter of fact,God haas revealed unto you

  my brother, the man of lawlessness...which was prophesied to be revealed beforethe

 returnofJesus Christ....and His doingaway with him with the breath ofHiscoming.....

  he...is not you....your owntestimony....'I donothate the Holy spirit,I was requesting it

 come intome, Ilove God"show theman of sin/lawlessness...isnot you.


   this isthe enmity of the serpents seed..and Christ's being revealed to you,my brother,Chris

    the same diabolicalthing was attempted against me..many years ago.  When very young

   andvulnerble in faith[dragonset todevour the manchild] same as Herod slaughtering babes

  in Bethlehem when Christchildborn[Heis our pattern]  But thatholything,seed of faith in you

 shall be " caught up"tothe throne.child.

   God Bless youandkeep you.

         

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Re: Unforgiveable Sin
« Reply #105 on: January 06, 2014, 06:07:32 PM »
Query from Chris

Hi, please I really need your help. I think I have committed the unforgivable sin. I was on bed reading the word of God and came by the scripture which talks about blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Instantly I thought a disgusting thought in my head. Curse words came into my head and I don't know how but I cursed the Holy Spirit. Sometime it comes back into my head and I hate it.

I don't know why this happened, but after reading on the internet I saw that it had happened to other people. I don't hate the Holy Spirit, I love God and I was even praying that the Holy Spirit would come into me and help me to serve God better. I was really hungry for God and growing spiritually each day. Now I am absolutely terrified that I am going to Hell, it is so frightening.
 
It has ruined me and I have stopped going to church. No matter how much I read about it on sites like these and people tell me that I haven't committed this sin I still think I am lost forever. It seems nothing can comfort me because I am just so unsure. How can I know, or anyone else know for sure? Doesn't it say that if you committ this sin that you while not be forgiven in this age, or the age to come and that all blasphemy shall be forgiven, but blasphemy against the holy spirit will not? I want forgiveness so badly, but it feels so far away from me, I feel like I am beyond forgiveness.
Please please help me, thanks, Chris
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Blaspheming the holy spirit is saying that goodness is not goodness. When the Pharisees said 'you do these things by the devil', that was blaspheming the holy spirit. Saying that a good act, a kind-word, is an act of sedition with the devil or that it is not good.

Goodness is goodness, and those who say that patience, forebearance, love, kindness and compassion are evil things commit the unpardonable sin.

Yet though it is unpardonable, it is not a mind-set which is 'unchangeable'. It just cannot be let go. It must be corrected.

Nothing to do with hell. Only to do with change.

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Re: Unforgiveable Sin
« Reply #106 on: January 06, 2014, 11:27:10 PM »
In other words, it is not forgiveable in the sense that it cannot be released without repentance?  Just seeing if i read you right.
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Re: Unforgiveable Sin
« Reply #107 on: January 07, 2014, 01:52:05 AM »
To Chris:

In Romans 7 Paul speaks of the war between the carnal mind and the spiritual mind. He says, "WHo shall free me from the body of this death! Thank God for Jesus! Therefore(because of Christs sacrifice) there is now no more condemnation for those who are IN CHRIST JESUS, who walk in the spirit, and not according to the flesh."

You see, when you believed, every sin was wiped away. Those Pharisees never believed. What you are experiencing is the railing of the judged carnal managainst the resurrection of Christ within you. Its OK. You are not to be condemned. You must simply see the serpent nailed to the stick in the wilderness(I was crucified in Christ)

In "doing away with the body of the sins of the flesh" we are set free from the body of this death- BY FORGIVENESS. It is the very condemnation you are feeling that empowers the carnal mind, the "strong man", the Pharoah within who would drag you back into bondage.

When you see the two as separate, one- judged already in the crucifixion of Christ.....the other-raised in new life through the resurrection of Jesus within your spirit(come out of the tomb of Adam, raised and ascended to the right hand as a son- YOU WILL DECLARE TO THAT VOICE< GET BEHIND ME SATAN(accuser/adversary) I love my deliverer.

You wil then begin to experience more and more freedom from the carnal man.

The carnal "old" man is disarmed at the cross, "For He disarmed the principalities and powers making an open show of them".

He did this by taking away the laws contained in statutes and putting you into a new law- LOVE AND THE SPIRIT OF LIFE IN CHRIST JESUS- which is only in you by the HOLY SPIRIt who is Christ and God who you love.

If you did not love them you would not be so mortified by the thought that you may hav committed an unforgiveable sin.

You havent. You are merely being tricked by the adversary, beaten by the taskmaster, and accused by the accuser. God has shut his mout by the blood of His Son, MORE POWERFUL THAN ANY ACCUSATION WIELDED AGAINST YOU.

Rejoice when you hear that voice, the adversary is angry because HIS TIME IS GROWING SHORTER AND SHORTER AS THE LIGHT Of CHRIST ARISES IN YOU FROM THE DAWN UNTO THE FULL NOON

He is seeking to beseige the saints and wear them out, remember, he boasts against the most high and speaks blashphemies(THAT IS NOT YOU- IT IS THE BITTER ECHOES OF THE DEAD MAN) but their deliverer will come out of Zion like the wind and blow the cobwebs of that old liar away.

the old man is crucified with Christ. he is "buried with Him in baptism. You are a new man- RAISED IN THE IMAGE OF CHRIST. Be renewed in the spirit of your mind and trust the blood of Jesus to work in you a glorious(tho perhaps sometimes grueling ;o) transformation.

Then you will say, "This is what the Lord did for me" and one day another like you will be set free by your testimony- I kno this because I was you for years, until I saw that Jesus had truly set nme free from that old man and he had no more power over me. Even when I fail, and it seems he won, he loses because

If we confess our sins He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins AND TO CLEANSE US FROM ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS. The devil cant win, the old man is dead, and you, my dear saint- cannot lose, simply trust His love and wait on His deliverance. It is coming.

I wept as I read that.  I probably needed to read that as much as Chris today.  Thank you for being used by the Holy Spirit to encourage believers.

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Re: Unforgiveable Sin
« Reply #108 on: January 07, 2014, 02:01:57 AM »
In other words, it is not forgiveable in the sense that it cannot be released without repentance?  Just seeing if i read you right.

I don't like the word 'repentance'. 'Change of mind' is a better term, but yes. Inherently, if a person is wicked enough to say that 'good things' are 'bad things', then they're gonna need a big change of mind.