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The Hell Thread

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sven:
I see it this way:

Sheol/Hades, the realm of souls both good and evil (I'm convinced of soulsleep)
Gehenna, the valley of Hinnom, symbolic threat of a shamefull death
Tartarus (also Abyssos), prison of angelic beings
the lake of fire = second death, here ones can speculate what second death is

marie glen:
Psalm 21:8, 9 - "Your hand will find out all your enemies; your right hand will find out all who hate you. You will make them as a fiery furnace when-you-appear. The LORD will swallow them up in his wrath, and fire will consume them."

God does not appear until after the second resurrection and judgment day is over.

Where does it say the Book of Life is closed to the adding of any more names before the second resurrection, and closed all during the long 'day' of judgment (the long day of the examination of all things when "all the books will be opened" and "not one thing shall remain hidden that shall not be uncovered")?

The LORD's appearing - Revelation 21:1-5. The above reference is from the New Revised Standard Version, but the Young's Literal is interesting too..
 
YLT - Psalm 21:8,9 - "Thy hand cometh to all Thine enemies, Thy right hand doth find Thy haters. Thou makest them as a furnace of fire, At the time of Thy presence. Jehovah in His anger doth swallow them, And fire doth devour them."

 --- Anyone not born again at His (Jehovah/YHWH/ the LORD's)  appearing will be consumed "our God is a consuming fire" -  it's His substance.. But! His appearing is not until after the second resurrection and day of judgment.

YLT - Revelation 21

 1And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth did pass away, and the sea is not any more;

 2and I, John, saw the holy city -- new Jerusalem -- coming down from God out of the heaven, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband;

 3and I heard a great voice out of the heaven, saying, `Lo, the tabernacle of God [is] with men, and He will tabernacle with them, and they shall be His peoples, and God Himself shall be with them -- their God,

 4and God shall wipe away every tear from their eyes, and the death shall not be any more, nor sorrow, nor crying, nor shall there be any more pain, because the first things did go away.'

 5And He who is sitting upon the throne said, `Lo, new I make all things; and He saith to me, `Write, because these words are true and stedfast;' 

lostnbroken:
getting past other issues, eh hem, i have found something of scripture that is making me wonder about "hell" and these nde's that people have where they go to hell and see people burning in the center of the earth..people say it is volcanic lava which contains sulphur in it...

Deuteronomy 32: 22-26:

For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell (Sheol), and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains. I will heap mischiefs upon them; I will spend mine arrows upon them. They shall be burnt with hunger, and devoured with burning heat, and with bitter destruction: I will also send the teeth of beasts upon them, with the poison of serpents of the dust. The sword without, and terror within, shall destroy both the young man and the virgin, THE SUCKLING ALSO with the man of gray hairs. I said, I would scatter them into corners, I would make the remembrance of them to cease from among men:


under mountains[volcanoes???] and ref. to deepest sheol [hell]...how is this interpreted in cus????? et people think this is where the lof of fire is.... i tend to believe it is spiritual as has been "proven" by spiritual interpretation and that it has to do with cleansing...but if people in this lake of fire are in the center of the earth[only god and angels could be there] then those in the kingdom would not even see them there....out of sight and out of mind so to speak...can you help me with this???? i am wanting to share cus with others too....

eaglesway:
Notice the words, "Burnt with hunger". I believe, if you look at the context of the chapter, you will see God is speaking through Moses prophetically about the unfaithfulness of His people Israel. The are references, expressed poetically and prophetically, about the judgment He would bring upon them for worshipping false Gods- which included abominations that would cause them to incur His wrath.Yet, if you look at Hosea, and Jeremiah, and many other similar places where the Lord speaks of judgment upon Israel for their unfaithfulness- God follows with promises of restoration and mercy.

Tom:

--- Quote from: lostnbroken on October 15, 2014, 01:34:49 AM ---getting past other issues, eh hem, i have found something of scripture that is making me wonder about "hell" and these nde's that people have where they go to hell and see people burning in the center of the earth..people say it is volcanic lava which contains sulphur in it...

Deuteronomy 32: 22-26:

For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell (Sheol), and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains. I will heap mischiefs upon them; I will spend mine arrows upon them. They shall be burnt with hunger, and devoured with burning heat, and with bitter destruction: I will also send the teeth of beasts upon them, with the poison of serpents of the dust. The sword without, and terror within, shall destroy both the young man and the virgin, THE SUCKLING ALSO with the man of gray hairs. I said, I would scatter them into corners, I would make the remembrance of them to cease from among men:


under mountains[volcanoes???] and ref. to deepest sheol [hell]...how is this interpreted in cus????? et people think this is where the lof of fire is.... i tend to believe it is spiritual as has been "proven" by spiritual interpretation and that it has to do with cleansing...but if people in this lake of fire are in the center of the earth[only god and angels could be there] then those in the kingdom would not even see them there....out of sight and out of mind so to speak...can you help me with this???? i am wanting to share cus with others too....

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Mystical experiences are perceived differently in different cultures, and I think that is why some folks who have been taught that "hell" is torture in fire have these very negative experiences. Most NDE/OBE folks seem to share the common vision of the peaceful loving light and come back from it not fearing death and believing God is love.

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