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Offline Rich

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a couple of questions that are important to me
« on: January 29, 2013, 04:15:07 AM »
Hello,

I think I am the epitomy of all God speaks of, especially in Torah.  Have been student of religion for 31 years now.  I am getting old for sure.  With all of this knowledge at times think have doomed myself.   :sigh:  Have studied all of the religions and went back and forth many times.  Have been to Temple and to Monastery, been vegan for six years, on and on.  Know the three "Holy books" of Islam better than think most Muslims.  Found Tentmaker a few years ago, and like the truth, keep coming back.  Tonight I joined. 
When believe in Jesus and think of Him and the Father and the Holy Spirit feel so much different and act so much different.  Better for sure. 
Very familiar with times (as much one can guess) and circumstances of when and how KJV was written, and on and on could go.  So, here I set tonight, a tired, tired person for all of my searching.  When I recognize God, I am at peace.  When read much in my version of Bible or on www, go back to lost.  Find so much hateful. 
So guess, when go with heart, feel like in places such as Jerimiah, God truly is written on my heart.  When read some other scripture am revolted.
So for tonight have two main questions.  They may not resonate so much with others or they may or they may have already been asked and answered but here I go:
I know this is not scripture but is document that have loved to read and ponder:
Apology of Aristides.  If you read last sentence in section XV, what are your thoughts?
Thank you for your time and consideration in responding to the above.  Perhaps seems like silly thing to be hung up on but it is nonetheless.

Your brother in Christ Jesus.

Rich
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Re: a couple of questions that are important to me
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2013, 05:41:02 AM »
Hey Rich, how goes it?

I thought there were five holy books in Islam.

I would have loved to have seen Aristides.  the Kentucky Derby was not that old then and it was still very much jokie by the seat of your pants (ie. hang on for dear life cause this horse is movin').  I didn't know he wrote anything.  Do horses write?  Was it in English?

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Re: a couple of questions that are important to me
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2013, 06:00:48 AM »
Rich, I tracked down and read all of Section XV, and I think it shows people still living according to the principles laid down in the Gospels and the Book of Acts.  As to the last sentence, I see them grieving because their brother who died in his sins, they know to go on to judgment without the benefit of having been "washed in the blood of the Lamb."  They will have to give an account to God without an advocate - Jesus Christ.  They will be in dire danger of being told, "Depart from Me, ye workers of iniquity..."

I see no threat of Hell here, just judgment and temporal punishment.  Even these will be redeemed in time.
Socrates taught Plato.  Plato taught Aristotle.  Aristotle tutored the son of Philip of Macedon.  This boy grew up to become Alexander the Great, largely by slaughtering a lot of people.  That's philosophy.

Jesus spoke the Truth.  He blessed the poor.  He healed the sick.  He even raised the dead.  He died on a cross for us, lived again, and came back long enough to tell us to love one another.  That's religion.

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Re: a couple of questions that are important to me
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2013, 08:40:59 AM »
 :dsunny: ain't that good!
Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

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Re: a couple of questions that are important to me
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2013, 04:36:37 PM »
"The heart is deceitful of all things" - "there is a way a man thinks is right, but.."
If the holy writings tell you there is something/anything you must do to get right with God
other than trust Him - they aren't holy writings.
If the holy writings tell you there is anything you can do to save yourself - it
is not Holy Writings
Many people are sincere in there beliefs but that does not make the belief true. There
are many sincere misguided believers.
If we could depend on our feelings or on our heart, the Bible wouldn't be necessary.
From the beginning Eve sinned by depending on her feelings(the fruit looked good to eat)
rather than on the word of God.
Be careful my friend, there are many decievers in the world wanting to sway you with their thoughts and
writings.
"Why do so many people think that the Bible is only inspired at certain points -  and that  THEY are inspired to pick out which points?"

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Re: a couple of questions that are important to me
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2013, 04:48:27 PM »
Wherefore let all who are without the knowledge of God draw near thereto; and they will receive incorruptible words, which are from all time and from eternity. So shall they appear before the awful judgment which through Jesus the Messiah is destined to come upon the whole human race.

--Apology of Aristedes





16 Now while Paul waited for them at Athens, his spirit was stirred in him, when he saw the city wholly given to idolatry.

17 Therefore disputed he in the synagogue with the Jews, and with the devout persons, and in the market daily with them that met with him.

18 Then certain philosophers of the Epicureans, and of the Stoicks, encountered him. And some said, What will this babbler say? other some, He seemeth to be a setter forth of strange gods: because he preached unto them Jesus, and the resurrection.

19 And they took him, and brought him unto Areopagus, saying, May we know what this new doctrine, whereof thou speakest, is?

20 For thou bringest certain strange things to our ears: we would know therefore what these things mean.

21 (For all the Athenians and strangers which were there spent their time in nothing else, but either to tell, or to hear some new thing.)

22 Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious.

23 For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, To The Unknown God. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.

24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;

26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;

27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:

28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.

29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

32 And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked: and others said, We will hear thee again of this matter.

33 So Paul departed from among them.

34 Howbeit certain men clave unto him, and believed: among the which was Dionysius the Areopagite, and a woman named Damaris, and others with them.

--Acts 17

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Re: a couple of questions that are important to me
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2013, 05:02:17 PM »



Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you.

--James 4:8

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Re: a couple of questions that are important to me
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2013, 08:14:03 PM »
Hi.  Wow, logged on today and did not expect this.  Thanks to everyone that responded.
 
Lazuras Short, you nailed down this for me.  This means a lot.  Probably seemed like simple thing but was important to me.  Thanks.

Ded2daworld, Amen.  In my poor way of writing was trying to say, Oh, I really get this at the deepest level.  Way more than cognitive level.  Do not regret previous paths as somehow think can help others.  What you counsel, I agree with 100%. Also, hope what wrote other night in this post, did not sound like bragging, it was very real time, the other night, and I was at very humble and grateful place for sure.  Thanks for this.

Molly, a lot of response to Ded2daworld would share with you as well.  What you share, along with so much more in the Bible, is so clear that God screams, pleads, cries, directs, etc. against what I was doing.

VineBranch, what can I say.  This made me laugh.  Surprisingly, he was of the line of Mr. Ed, and although he could not speak, it was said that his use of prose, could make many a grown man cry.  He was truly a renaissance horse, way ahead of the times.  Regarding the five books, quite frankly a matter of who is counting.  Guess technically, should have said three classifications of "holy books."

Micah, yes it is indeed.  I need to get courage to use icon thingys.   :Peace2:

Thanks everyone.
Rich
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Re: a couple of questions that are important to me
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2013, 10:04:24 PM »
I sense you are alright.  I have a soft spot for people who can laugh at themselves.  Thanks for taking the time to respond to everyone.

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Re: a couple of questions that are important to me
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2013, 10:13:10 PM »
...and I like your tag/signature line is one of my favorite, shortest and most profound verse in the bible. "Jesus wept"
"Why do so many people think that the Bible is only inspired at certain points -  and that  THEY are inspired to pick out which points?"

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Re: a couple of questions that are important to me
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2013, 11:27:20 PM »
Thanks VineBranch.  I will take alright and feel very good.
Ded2daworld, I lost mom in March.  Later in the month, had to go to Quantico, Va for business.  On my way to visit temple, I passed a small church which had that on their little sign.  Small church, little sign, short passage, and beyond a ton of weight.  On long drive back home this and some of the strong implications was all that was on mind.  This had much to do with me being here on this forum I think.
Peace.
Rich
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