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"The Seven Wonders of Hell"
« on: January 17, 2009, 01:50:08 AM »
Hey brothers and sisters.  I read this awhile back, and it really stuck with me.  The U.S. especially is exposed to so many different "preachers", many of them on TV, and many of them proclaiming many things other than The Good News.

One such sermon contained a bunch of made up stuff about "hell", and L.Ray Smith responded with what I believe is a VERY enlightening response.  I recommend this not only for our reading, but to share with others that may have questions, worries, concerns about hell.


The sermon and response itself is about 25% of the way down the link, and here's a sampling from the "sermon".

1.      "This is God's message, not mine."

2.      "The soul will die and spend eternity without God."

3.      "Jesus said twice as much about hell as He did heaven."

4.      "Hell is Heaven's junkyard."

5.      "Hell is the eternal home of every person who rejects the gospel

6.      "Demon # 3 said, 'Lets get the pastors in every congregation ... let's tell them to tell their people that a loving God would never send anyone to a place [Hell] this horrible."

7.      "The pulpit says, 'Just go ahead and do what you want to. The grace of God gives you a blank check to sin and do as you please."

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God's blessing, Js.

http://bible-truths.com/hagee1.htm

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Re: "The Seven Wonders of Hell"
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2009, 03:28:29 AM »
I saw through the one about Jesus saying more about Hell than about heaven while I still believed in ET and was deeply disturbed by the hypocritical lie back then.  Flipping through a Strong's Concordance for a minute or two quickly disproves that.

The one that particularly bothers me is that any pulpit anywhere would give people a blank check on sin in the name of grace when Romans 6 says that if the grace of God is functioning in your life then sin is not.  No condemnation in Christ in Romans 8 is emphatically to those that believe the Gospel according to the Great Commission passage of Mark 16:15-16, and the first test of that is if you're flowing in the signs and wonders that that chapter concludes with and not if you feel better about your sin.  The grace of God according to Titus 2 teaches us to deny ungodliness and to live sober godly lives anticipating Christ to manifest through us, since Colossians 1 says that His revelation in us is the hope of the Gospel and since Romans 8 and 1Corinthians 6 says that we're the judges and saviours of Creation. 

John 7:24 says that we're supposed to be rendering righteous judgments.  Any judgment to continue in sin is judging by outward appearances, statistics, and is a mockery of God that because the ground didn't open up right that minute that all things will continue as they did from the creation of the world according to what Peter calls their willing ignorance, what James calls in his epistle earthly, sensual, and devilish wisdom, and what the Psalms, Paul, and John all assert that God will never put up His sword until He's eradicated that from His Creation.  Every preacher of grace teaches the abandonment of sin and anyone that's not teaching that isn't yet a teacher of what a good friend of mine in ministry calls "the Gospel of Grace."

However, most of the preachers that I know of that are accused [repeatedly] of teaching the indulgence of sin are usually teaching the opposite and are usually closer to preaching St. Paul's Gospel.  If you're not having to answer the question [with some regularity] brought up and answered in Romans 6 then you're not teaching St. Paul's Gospel, if someone somewhere isn't accusing you of teaching the continuance of sin for the rest of your life.  Most of the preachers that I know of that are being accused of teaching the love of money are usually teaching the opposite and are closer to a Scriptural view than the pulpits that are accusing them week after week of that and then spending half of their time begging for it from the pulpit because their people are grossly underwhelmed by the Scriptural revelation of giving and receiving being presented from those pulpits.  Seek ways of getting the Word out and the money will come because the money anointing is the first principle of the anointings of God.  Seek ways of promoting holiness and the sin will go from your life because Jesus said you'd have whatever you said in Mark 11:23-24.  And holiness is the grace of God and not the Ten Commandments that 2Corinthians 3 says are taken away in Christ, since that was the only part of the law engraved on stone tablets.

And as far as the rest of the points of that ridiculous sermon:  if the soul ever had life without God, then why did it need God?  It's dead until it's made alive in Christ through embracing His Lordship and repenting of sin, according to Acts 17, Acts 20, Romans 10 and countless other passages.  And then it's raised up to sit together with Him in heavenly places.  If you've embraced His Lordship you're as seated with Him in heavenly places as you're ever going to be.  You don't die to be seated with Him in heavenly places, according to Ephesians 2.  You were dead, but then you took your place on the throne of God when you became a recipient of His grace.  You're as seated on His throne as you're ever ever going to be.  You're as seated on His throne as He is.  There's nothing more that you're waiting on apart from renewing your mind to who you are in Christ Jesus.  We live and reign now, according to Romans 5:17.  There's a very powerful weakness in UR circles in not emphasizing the New Birth and the realities of being a New Creation.  That's the defeat of every UR believer in this life, is not realizing they're already seated and this thing went the way they called it in their lives.

And continuing on the other points of the ridiculous sermon by John Hagee:  Heaven has no junkyard.  Only a recycling bin.  If Hell's the eternal home of every person not converted in this life by the Gospel then Christ died in vain if in this life alone we have hope.  God's message is actually the message of the reconciliation, that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord because He already made Him Who knew no sin to be sin for us so that we'd be made the righteousness of God in Him.  Isaiah 52:14 says in the Amplified Bible that for many the servant of God became an object of horror.  People have not yet believed that Jesus actually became sin and therefore they've never allowed themselves to become as righteous as He is.  If you've confessed His Lordship publicly then you're as much the righteousness of God as you'll ever be.  You'll never be more righteous than you are right now. 

Don't confuse righteousness with conduct which comes from a renewed mind and with grace, faith, expectancy, and love dominating the laws of sin and death at work in the physical body until Holy Spirit quickens the mortal body in this life according to Romans 8:11 and Hebrews 5:12-14.  That's when you know you're ready for the advanced, according to the verses after that in Hebrews 5:12-14 that say that we're going on and not laying again or disrupting the foundation already laid.  The foundation is laid when you're free of the potential for sin and not before or after.  That's when you know you've gotten quality milk and are now moving into readiness for strong solid food.  Strong meat belongs to those that are of full age whose senses have been trained, their 5 physical senses, to discern the difference between good and evil.  Your spirit's been there all of this time since you embraced His Lordship and He performed the miracle of giving you a brand new spirit.

And I believe I've done my part in answering the John Hagee sermon points you've listed without going further into Word studies that are all over these boards about limited duration prunings and punishments until the Word reaches a hundredfold harvest in each person's being.
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Re: "The Seven Wonders of Hell"
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2009, 04:32:05 AM »
Great points Martin.   

"There's a very powerful weakness in UR circles in not emphasizing the New Birth and the realities of being a New Creation."

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Neither should there be vulgar speech, foolish talk, or coarse jesting--all of which are out of character--but rather thanksgiving.  Eph. 5:4  **  Saved 1John 3.2, Eph. 2:8, John 1:12 - Being saved 2Cor. 4:16 2Peter 3:18 - Will be saved 1Peter 1:5 Romans 8:23