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The Body of Moses /Body of Christ
« on: November 26, 2013, 09:20:09 PM »

Been studying this for awhile now ,   
 and    rarely make posts on topics
 
at a friends   gentle prompt .
 Just going to ask   for some feedback , because this can go into so many directions and  full of   many wonderful  verse connections
 I am not going to put up alot on this first post  , but rather ask
  What do you see in these    right now ? 

  This always puzzled me when I first  read it maybe  8 years ago , knowing Jude  is only one very small book  , almost like a letter  ,in the Bible and   is just like a warning " message of  who  harms" and how to "stay safe "  in the Lord Jesus Christ / body of Christ .

But Michael the archangel, when he disputed with the devil and argued about the body of Moses, did not dare pronounce against him a railing judgment, but said, "The Lord rebuke you" (Jude 9).

This is the above verse !

  Moses was a man of GOD and servant of the LORD
Deu 33:1 And this is the blessing, wherewith Moses the man of God blessed the children of Israel before his death.

Deu 34:5 So Moses the servant of the LORD died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the LORD ,

 First  thing I wondered is   man of God and servant of the Lord different , Is one the Father  and the other the Son  and can we see Jesus from the begining  , but hidden though the vail ?Like Paul speaks about  and why does the devil  dispute over the Body of Moses ,  being the law   and ministration of death as Paul also touches on
 Hebrews has some excellent insights  of the  vail Jesus  flesh  and the  Cross scriptures  to as why   the temple was torn from top to bottom to  enter the presence of God in the holy of holies 
 
 

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Re: The Body of Moses /Body of Christ
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2013, 10:25:33 PM »
Yeah there are alot of deep interpretive possibilities there. I think the Devil arguing over the physical body of Moses is a type and shadow of the Devil seeking to sift the body of Christ. For one example, indeed Paul turned a man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh for salvation of the spirit on the day of the lord. It seems that that this sifting is the claiming of the body but that the Lord rebukes, in that Jesus prayed for Peter. This of course gets into election, who is sifted, and who by God's providence is not.

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Re: The Body of Moses /Body of Christ
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2013, 12:11:04 AM »
Yeah there are alot of deep interpretive possibilities there. I think the Devil arguing over the physical body of Moses is a type and shadow of the Devil seeking to sift the body of Christ. For one example, indeed Paul turned a man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh for salvation of the spirit on the day of the lord. It seems that that this sifting is the claiming of the body but that the Lord rebukes, in that Jesus prayed for Peter. This of course gets into election, who is sifted, and who by God's providence is not.


  Wow, Excellent Seth !   
 
 
  Thought of   the scripture  He is the Lord of the  dead and living , both found in the Body of Christ
 
   the dead in Christ rise first     , being that they were baptized unto his death ,  This is what Peter was experiencing   , after he said I will die for you Lord  , and Jesus told him exactly what he would do    before the cock crows 3 times you will have denied me  3 times ,  and   despised the shame , was his reality  when he realized it .
 its a process all must undergo in the same way !  his flesh was weak  but was raised spiritually  up  from that low place   by God though Jesus Christ in resurrection , we read the book of Peter and see  the Spirit in His  witness /testimony   that God is true and faithful

Romans 6 NASB 6 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase?

2 May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it?


3 Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death?


4 Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life.


5 For if we have become ]united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection,
6 knowing this, that our old elf was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with,


That sifting  seperating the Spiritual/Life  from the flesh /dust of death !!!

so that we would no longer be slaves to sin;


7 for he who has died is freed from sin.


8 Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him,


9 knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, ]is never to die again;


death no longer is master over Him. 10 For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. 11 Even so consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus.

12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts,


13 and do not go on presenting the members of your body to sin as ]instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God.


14 For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.
 In the Body of Christ  is the grace of God and gift to mankind

   Hebrews6  For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 


 Hbr 6:5   And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 


 Hbr 6:6   If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. 




15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be!



16 Do you not )know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?


17 But thanks be to God that though you were slaves of sin, you became obedient from the heart to that form of teaching to which you were committed,

18 and having been freed from sin, you became slaves of righteousness.


19 I am speaking in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness, resulting in further lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness, resulting in sanctification.   set apart and seperated
20 For )when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness.

21 Therefore what benefit were you then deriving from the things of which you are now ashamed?


 For the outcome of those things is death. 22 But now having been freed from sin and enslaved to God, you derive your benefit, resulting in sanctification,

and the outcome, eternal life.

 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

1 Thessalonians 4:15-17
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15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep.

16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of )the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.

 17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.
 
 My question  to the above verses  ,  knowing that   they were going to physically die ,  Paul writing this   , the dead rise first than those alive  is this  future still   because Rev 14 ;13 ?
 

 


2 Thessalonians 2:1
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2 Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him,
 
Revelation 14:13
New American Standard Bible (NASB)

13 And I heard a voice from heaven, saying, "Write, 'Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on!'" "Yes," says the Spirit, "so that they may rest from their labors, for their deeds follow with them."   

 Is this the baptizing in Jesus death of the old man   than   or a literal physical death ? ^
 
 I see so much  division over these  last verses
 

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Re: The Body of Moses /Body of Christ
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2013, 12:14:50 AM »
 :cloud9: My understanding on it......body of Moses = body under the law of sin and death, the accuser of the brethren always uses the law to bring us under condemnation, as opposed to the true body of Christ, which is SPIRIT, many-membered, the body we are to walk in/as.

This is one reason we are told to reckon ourselves DEAD, because we are now to walk in the Spirit, in the newness of life. God remembers our sins no more, and therefore won't let the enemy use what is under the blood to condemn with, either. My  :2c:....Blessings.....(and Hi Rose, big HUG)  :HeartThrob:
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« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2013, 12:30:36 AM »
I am reminded of an analysis of Moses body part by Paul, namely Moses' face:

2 CORINTHIANS 3:12
12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
13 And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly (because it was too bright) look to the end of that which is abolished:
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.


Moses' face shined. Our faces shine. This is why I don't take the body of Moses as the body of sin and death, but a representation of two covenants. We human beings are married to "the motions of sin" BY the Law, but the Law is good, right and holy. It is by the Spirit of Christ that we are set free from the "motions of sin" to therefore be set free from the Law to follow in the footsteps of Christ, putting away sin in our members.

This is why Moses' face was shining but with a veil over it. The people could not see the light which was Christ. Christ is not represented in the body of sin, but represented through a FACE that shines.

The difference between Moses face and Christ's face is only this: the veil is removed that the face may shine brightly and openly.

This is why I believe the Devil argued over the body with the Angel. The Devil wants to take away the shine.

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Re: The Body of Moses /Body of Christ
« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2013, 12:42:54 AM »
:cloud9: My understanding on it......body of Moses = body under the law of sin and death, the accuser of the brethren always uses the law to bring us under condemnation, as opposed to the true body of Christ, which is SPIRIT, many-membered, the body we are to walk in/as.

This is one reason we are told to reckon ourselves DEAD, because we are now to walk in the Spirit, in the newness of life. God remembers our sins no more, and therefore won't let the enemy use what is under the blood to condemn with, either. My  :2c:....Blessings.....(and Hi Rose, big HUG)  :HeartThrob:

  Hi Card , Thanks for the reply !!hugs back atcha girl  :girlheart:

  Seeing those things also     the law being weak though the flesh
  God sent His son  in the likness  of sinful flesh  , yet we KNOW it was Jesus flesh that  judged  sin in the flesh removing the vail /veil   covering

Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

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Re: The Body of Moses /Body of Christ
« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2013, 12:44:45 AM »
  Hi Seth see the illuminated as the shine of the face in thse scriptures too Hbr 10:1  For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. 


 Hbr 10:2   For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. 


 Hbr 10:3   But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. 


 Hbr 10:4   For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. 


 Hbr 10:5  Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: 


 Hbr 10:6   In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure. 


 Hbr 10:7   Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. 


 Hbr 10:8   Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; 


 Hbr 10:9   Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 


 Hbr 10:10   By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 


 Hbr 10:11  And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 


 Hbr 10:12   But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; 


 Hbr 10:13   From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. 


 Hbr 10:14   For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. 


 Hbr 10:15   Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, 


 Hbr 10:16   This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; 


 Hbr 10:17   And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. 


 Hbr 10:18   Now where remission of these [is, there is] no more offering for sin



 Hbr 10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, 


 Hbr 10:20   By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; 


 Hbr 10:21   And having an high priest over the house of God; 


 Hbr 10:22   Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. 


 Hbr 10:23   Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;) 


 Hbr 10:24   And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: 


 Hbr 10:25   Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching. 


 Hbr 10:26  For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 


 Hbr 10:27   But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. 


 Hbr 10:28   He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 


 Hbr 10:29   Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? 


 Hbr 10:30   For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. 


 Hbr 10:31   It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. 


 Hbr 10:32  But call to remembrance the former days, in which, after ye were illuminated, ye endured a great fight of afflictions; 


 Hbr 10:33   Partly, whilst ye were made a gazingstock both by reproaches and afflictions; and partly, whilst ye became companions of them that were so used. 


 Hbr 10:34   For ye had compassion of me in my bonds, and took joyfully the spoiling of your goods, knowing in yourselves that ye have in heaven a better and an enduring substance. 


 Hbr 10:35   Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward. 


 Hbr 10:36   For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise. 


 Hbr 10:37   For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry. 


 Hbr 10:38   Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. 


 Hbr 10:39   But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul. 

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Re: The Body of Moses /Body of Christ
« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2013, 12:47:00 AM »
Yes  :iagree:

Sin put into remission like a cancer.  :dsunny:

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« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2013, 12:57:30 AM »
Also one thing I love about Paul's analysis is when he says "we use great plainness of speech" as a contrast to how the Law hid the splendor of Christ in symbols. The glory comes through by speaking it plainly unwrapping the mysteries, as we are able, to reveal Christ.

That could be another reason the Devil wants the body, to hide Christ from the world as the adversary would do. Regarding the body of sin and death, I believe the Devil already has that in his grasp, under his claim. That is why those who sin are of their father the Devil and the works of the Devil they do. That is why we were carnal sold under sin, only to be saved from the body of sin and be given a new body, a new face, one that shines, one that the Devil wants to claim, or reclaim.

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« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2013, 01:14:05 AM »
I am reminded of an analysis of Moses body part by Paul, namely Moses' face:

2 CORINTHIANS 3:12
12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
13 And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly (because it was too bright) look to the end of that which is abolished:
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.


Moses' face shined. Our faces shine. This is why I don't take the body of Moses as the body of sin and death, but a representation of two covenants. We human beings are married to "the motions of sin" BY the Law, but the Law is good, right and holy. It is by the Spirit of Christ that we are set free from the "motions of sin" to therefore be set free from the Law to follow in the footsteps of Christ, putting away sin in our members.

This is why Moses' face was shining but with a veil over it. The people could not see the light which was Christ. Christ is not represented in the body of sin, but represented through a FACE that shines.

The difference between Moses face and Christ's face is only this: the veil is removed that the face may shine brightly and openly.

This is why I believe the Devil argued over the body with the Angel. The Devil wants to take away the shine.

 :cloud9: Hi. I agree that it shines. It shined as the lesser glory the moon shines. All the law festivals ect. were based on the sightings of the moon.

Brides (woman/soul, the lesser glory) wear veils. Bridegrooms/sons, wear crowns (sun's rays, corona). Woman crowned with the sun = fully redeemed/virgin soul of overcomer in union with the Head/Son births the Manchild (many membered body).

The veil stays upon their faces as long as the OT is read, because without Christ the Seed, they are as barren WOMEN still. All flesh/souls are female in nature to God because the Spirit plants the seed. Proof is that males (after the flesh) are part of the bride He returns for.

For this reason, we are to shine as the sun in the kingdom of our Father (parable of wheat and tares). My  :2c: Blessings...
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« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2013, 01:17:18 AM »
Yes, but here is the thing. The veil does not stay on their faces. It stays on Moses' face. Right? It's not a small quibble, because the body of sin has no shine whatsoever. It's a product of darkness. But Moses' face has the shine, and veil is on his face, which is removed by the Spirit for all those who are in Christ, because Moses spoke Christ under a veil, not in "great plainness of speech."  The veil is upon their heart, which is why their heart is darkened., producing no light from within. :HeartThrob:

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« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2013, 01:34:22 AM »
Yes, but here is the thing. The veil does not stay on their faces. It stays on Moses' face. Right? It's not a small quibble, because the body of sin has no shine whatsoever. It's a product of darkness. But Moses' face has the shine, and veil is on his face, which is removed by the Spirit for all those who are in Christ, because Moses spoke Christ under a veil, not in "great plainness of speech."  The veil is upon their heart, which is why their heart is darkened., producing no light from within. :HeartThrob:
     
 Yes the shadow of the good things to Come !     when the shadow is  removed the Light shines in its strength
 
    Ibelieve both complete the Word /work of God  I dont think you can have one without the other  , to me anyways  :girlheart:
 
  the body of moses  /  the Law and  ministration    of death  we have to die toself and  Live  as unto the   Lord   Its that  work  that tutors  us and leads us to Christ ,    a ressurection of sorts  and newness of Life ? Children of the DAY
 DAY of the Lord ?

have both       and sing the song of moses and the song of the Lamb
 And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God. 


 Rev 15:2   And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God. 


 Rev 15:3   And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints. 


 Rev 15:4   Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest. 


 Rev 15:5   And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened: 

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« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2013, 01:38:02 AM »
the body of moses  /  the Law and  ministration    of death  we have to die toself and  Live  as unto the   Lord   Its that  work  that tutors  us and leads us to Christ ,    a ressurection of sorts  and newness of Life ? Children of the DAY
 DAY of the Lord ?

Oh yes, absolutely. The light that shined in the body of Moses was visible. But the light that shines from God is not visible. It's like you said, it's an image, but not the very thing.

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« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2013, 04:49:26 AM »
  we are children of the light....and our celestial bodies are actually light bodies...........

   like the stars of the heavens....God's light body is so intense we could not approach or bear it

  in these terrestial bodies.

   Our flesh bodies[clay vessels] have a great treasure in them..that is mostly un-noticed in this realm

  our 'spirit portion' from God is inside them.  God can cause them to burn brighter at will...that

 is what He did with Moses...but it does somewhat disconcert and alarm people when He does it.

         ARISE SHINE...THY LIGHT HAS COME!!!!SHAKE YOURSELF FREE FROM THE DUST!!!!!!!

       Everyone has to get used to their new celestial/immortal body in the likeness of Jesus Christ

  and the angels.   He has many wonderful wonderful things layed up for all His children.......only

 then,I think, will it totally hit us...how very poor and destitute our lives in this realm have been.

   many will be totally overwhelmed at what God"s immortal perfect realm is like

     

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« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2013, 06:15:59 AM »
  how very poor and destitute our lives in this realm have been.

   many will be totally overwhelmed at what God"s immortal perfect realm is like

   

I'd be interested in hearing what more you know about this sheila.  even if it's another thread.  anything like some of the nde's we hear about?
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« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2013, 03:01:02 PM »
Hey JC   no,I wasn't referring to a NDE......I was speaking about an abundant life expierence!!!!

      I'm talking about the Glory of God and His son...to be revealed to us!

         I'll put up a little smething to clarify from the scriptures....

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« Reply #16 on: December 21, 2013, 11:49:51 PM »
 :cloud9: Amen Sheila. I've seen 2 glorified bodies; my own and someone elses. They are composed of cells of light/spirit, and they vibrate really fast with the quickening power of the Spirit. Look like transparent gold cells. Blessings....
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« Reply #17 on: December 22, 2013, 05:54:58 AM »

 He has many wonderful wonderful things layed up for all His children.......only

 then,I think, will it totally hit us...how very poor and destitute our lives in this realm have been.

   many will be totally overwhelmed at what God"s immortal perfect realm is like

   

No doubt about it - moving in this life from the slums of Calcutta to, say, Beverly Hills would not be a fair comparison.  Jesus did not attempt to describe it, as I have said before, but dealt in metaphors:  "The Kingdom of Heaven is like..."
Socrates taught Plato.  Plato taught Aristotle.  Aristotle tutored the son of Philip of Macedon.  This boy grew up to become Alexander the Great, largely by slaughtering a lot of people.  That's philosophy.

Jesus spoke the Truth.  He blessed the poor.  He healed the sick.  He even raised the dead.  He died on a cross for us, lived again, and came back long enough to tell us to love one another.  That's religion.