Yeah there are alot of deep interpretive possibilities there. I think the Devil arguing over the physical body of Moses is a type and shadow of the Devil seeking to sift the body of Christ. For one example, indeed Paul turned a man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh for salvation of the spirit on the day of the lord. It seems that that this sifting is the claiming of the body but that the Lord rebukes, in that Jesus prayed for Peter. This of course gets into election, who is sifted, and who by God's providence is not.
Wow, Excellent Seth !
Thought of the scripture He is the Lord of the dead and living , both
found in the Body of Christ
the dead in Christ rise first , being that they were baptized unto his death , This is what Peter was experiencing , after he said I will die for you Lord , and Jesus told him exactly what he would do before the cock crows 3 times you will have denied me 3 times , and despised the shame , was his reality when he realized it .
its a process all must undergo in the same way ! his flesh was weak but was raised spiritually up from that low place by God though Jesus Christ in resurrection , we read the book of Peter and see the Spirit in His witness /testimony that God is true and faithful
Romans 6 NASB 6 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase?
2 May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it?
3 Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death?
4 Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have become ]united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection,
6 knowing this, that our old elf was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with
That sifting seperating the Spiritual/Life from the flesh /dust of death !!!
so that we would no longer be slaves to sin;
7 for he who has died is freed from sin.
8 Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, 9 knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, ]is never to die again
death no longer is master over Him. 10 For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. 11 Even so consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus.
12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts,
13 and do not go on presenting the members of your body to sin as ]instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead
, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God.
14 For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.
In the Body of Christ is the grace of God and gift to mankind
Hebrews6 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Hbr 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Hbr 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be!
16 Do you not )know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death
, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?
17 But thanks be to God that though you were slaves of sin, you became obedient from the heart to that form of teaching to which you were committed,
18 and having been freed from sin, you became slaves of righteousness
19 I am speaking in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh
. For just as you presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness, resulting in further lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness, resulting in sanctification.
set apart and seperated
20 For )when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness.
21 Therefore what benefit were you then deriving from the things of which you are now ashamed? For the outcome of those things is death. 22 But now having been freed from sin and enslaved to God, you derive your benefit, resulting in sanctification,
and the outcome, eternal life.
23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
1 Thessalonians 4:15-17
15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep.
16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of )the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.
My question to the above verses , knowing that they were going to physically die , Paul writing this , the dead rise first than those alive is this future still because Rev 14 ;13 ?
2 Thessalonians 2:1
2 Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him,
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
13 And I heard a voice from heaven, saying, "Write, 'Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on!
'" "Yes," says the Spirit, "so that they may rest from their labors, for their deeds follow with them."
Is this the baptizing in Jesus death of the old man than or a literal physical death ? ^
I see so much division over these last verses