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Offline chuckt

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Re: do we take judgement serious enough
« Reply #25 on: April 01, 2009, 04:10:40 PM »
hopefully we are being judged NOW.

Hbr 12:5 And you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks to you as to sons: "My son, do not despise the chastening of the LORD, Nor be discouraged when you are rebuked by Him; 


 Hbr 12:6 For whom the LORD loves He chastens, And scourges every son whom He receives." [fn] 


 Hbr 12:7 If [fn] you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten? 


 Hbr 12:8 But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons. 



look folks im   bad  at being a ""christian""  but im worse at being a heathen. i have NO choice.


chastisment:

) the whole training and education of children (which relates to the cultivation of mind and morals, and employs for this purpose now commands and admonitions, now reproof and punishment) It also includes the training and care of the body

2) whatever in adults also cultivates the soul, esp. by correcting mistakes and curbing passions.

a) instruction which aims at increasing virtue

b) chastisement, chastening, (of the evils with which God visits men for their amendment)



God bless
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Re: do we take judgement serious enough
« Reply #26 on: April 01, 2009, 06:02:10 PM »
hopefully we are being judged NOW.

I you mean a certain group wit the word "we" I can agree. Not if it means the whole planet.
If I look at myself... my whole life is a smooth pleasant ride. And that's not because I'm so holy and therefore God is helping me through life...
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: do we take judgement serious enough
« Reply #27 on: April 01, 2009, 06:23:36 PM »
i dont believe in any kind of hell, but donīt you think there might be very severe punishment:

Hebrews 10:26

For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,  But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:  Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.


I think the judgment of God is misplaced in personal fear.   Have you noticed the scenarios that seriously change the outcome of someones actions in movies.

You have the hero of a movie strong and defiant willing to allow the villan to do anything he wishes and even dares him to and the hero will never sway.

Then the villan moves over to the pretty damsel in distress and hold the gun to her head and the decision to be made is seen in a whole different light.

Of course, I see this example in trying to convey a message about Gods judgment could go the wrong way in a hurry,  but my point mainly is this.

As we live our individual lives, we often really see the out comes of the perversion of religion.  Religion has made things about us individually and personally to the point that the only thing that might make us wake up to God is the fear of the possibility of eternity in torment.

Universalism, perhaps unintentionally has remained in bondage to this personal outlook of judgment and almost rendered it impotent.  While universalism allws personal freedoms ,. indeed, if God isn't really going to be all that hard on us, then we can and DO seem to live our lives a bit in glee and contentment that WE are ok.

I think the manner and speed in which we become perfect is the manner in which we selflessly love others.

Not that I can stand and say I do well enough, but perhaps figuratively to get anywhere in this walk we must not seek out this personal redemption, but seek it for someone else at the expense of ourselves.

Adam did,    Adam died to himself,  even though the story of adama and eve is  "said" to be about the fall.   I think there was no fall and that the picture we are told about is flawed.


We hear this in church and religious circles and i suppose it is used to somehow relate to what Jesus did,  but the words are clear.

No greater love there is than to lay ones life down for a friend.   Now, why doesn;t it say to lay ones life down for God or Christ?


I believe there is truth in many things,  I think the real message is not Gods judgment on our own self to the degree we are taught,  maybe that long path of destruction has far greater ramifications than one might think.

Perhaps rather than some torturous hell or judgment spanking by God that we get the picture of, perhaps we all have to repeat this kind of miserable physical existance we are in till we understand that Adam did not     (FALL).



Perhaps Adam so loved Eve that he believed that we was beyond redemption through his love for her and maybe even died in the state of believing that if he loved his friend then any outcome was worthwhile.   Imagine dying thinking that only to awake realizing that god made it right, even when we thought all hope was lost.


Jesus died saying  "God why hast thougjh forsaken me"   the son of God, the man who had the plan, then selfless savior, died believing his own father didn't care.

Did Jesus really die in this bliss of contentment,  or did he fealfully fall into the hands of the living God?


Adam, He got it spot on.


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Re: do we take judgement serious enough
« Reply #28 on: April 02, 2009, 12:17:53 AM »
What do you all think about those of us humans who just have absolutely no regard for others. You know, those who murder and torture with not much guilt attached to it. Why are some humans so much worse than others and will they suffer more in any way?

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Re: do we take judgement serious enough
« Reply #29 on: April 02, 2009, 12:56:08 AM »
What do you all think about those of us humans who just have absolutely no regard for others. You know, those who murder and torture with not much guilt attached to it. Why are some humans so much worse than others and will they suffer more in any way?

cp


Here is a story that few will hear.   Since we were friends with the sherrif in alabama that lost his wife and child, he was also involved in the pursuit of the same man.

There was an interesting observation that he and other officers made, as the man killed people without any mercy and got close to the end of things the killer was grazed by a bullet,  the mans whole demeanor changed from cold determination to a sullen sunken expression and at that point stopped shooting and started running and subsequently killed himself.   Whether or not something snapped and the man went crazy, whether he was demon possessed, really is inmaterial, something did happen to the man where he was able to see the shame in what he did.  That may not comfort anyone and am not expecting it too.

We also know he came from a broken family and the husband who abandoned his son at a young age actually came into town to the killers mother's (who was the first one he killed) funeral.   He did not come to make excuses , he came to allow himself to be accountable if thats what it would take to help the families of those his son killed.

I can go deeper into this story, but my main point is that are we to hope this killer reaps some horrible punishment by God, or are we to see the freedom in hoping the killer is free from this life and that the SAME means by which we should judge that is the truth in which we are judged by God?

So as we look at the physical circumstances of a killer and many people may indeed hate him and hope he's burning in hell, perhaps some do not see that we can actually decide how God judges us.

We may all be reconciled, but would feeling justified in hating a cold blooded killer actually turn the tables on ourself?


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Re: do we take judgement serious enough
« Reply #30 on: April 02, 2009, 03:25:13 AM »
Good stuff Paul. Man it's hard. I know people do what they do, good or bad, for a reason. I know we cannot excuse people because of these reasons alone. This is where God majorly comes in.........only He can really evaluate a person and see just how much the person is responsible for and how much was intrinsic or unavoidable in some way.

What a world.

Here's another question............Are we people, for the most part, really such bad guys? You know evil sinners whose hearts are evil continually? I don't know, I have witnessed many babies born who seemed like OK kids. I have witnessed many babies grow up and they aren't so bad. I know many people and most I know are pretty good people who would give you the shirt off their back if you needed it. Sure, there are some deadbeats but in the right circumstances even some of these would surprise us I think.

Sure, we don't measure up to God Himself but are we really as rotten as we are told we are?

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Re: do we take judgement serious enough
« Reply #31 on: April 02, 2009, 06:37:35 PM »
hopefully we are being judged NOW.

I you mean a certain group wit the word "we" I can agree. Not if it means the whole planet.
If I look at myself... my whole life is a smooth pleasant ride. And that's not because I'm so holy and therefore God is helping me through life...


greetings this fine day WW.

yes a certian group  :winkgrin:

peace
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Re: do we take judgement serious enough
« Reply #32 on: April 02, 2009, 06:51:19 PM »
hopefully we are being judged NOW.

I you mean a certain group wit the word "we" I can agree. Not if it means the whole planet.
If I look at myself... my whole life is a smooth pleasant ride. And that's not because I'm so holy and therefore God is helping me through life...


greetings this fine day WW.

Sure a fine day today. No rain and sunny for the first time since many months.
Time to make my favorite ice recipe

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yes a certian group  :winkgrin:
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peace
chuckt
The Chucky I know isn't very peaceful  :happy3:
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...