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A question about post-mortem correction

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chaela:
I'm heavily involved in discussing universal reconciliation with the yet-to-be-convinced, and one claim I'm confronted with is that the notion of post-mortem-correction is a means of "earning" one's salvation.  It then usually gets compared with the Purgatory of Roman Catholicism, which is taught to be a means of purification. I always thought our purification/justification came through Christ's death on the cross, so is purification what is going on in post-mortem-correction, or something else entirely?  I would hate to think that my belief in a temporary hell also led to the conclusion that salvation can be "earned" by suffering temporarily, since it's not our own efforts that save us anyway.  Hope all this made sense, lol!

Reverend G:
Is it correction?  Or is it a washing of the unclean from you, so that you may be properly dressed for the Kingdom?
If a doctor removes a tumor, or cancerous cells from your body, is it so that you "earn" longer life?  Or is the long life already yours, and the doctor just facilitating it?
Perhaps that is a stretch.  How about the idea of a shower?  Do you take a shower before putting on clean clothes to earn them?  Or just because it is the right thing to do?
I would think of it as a "disinfecting", removing that which is unfavorable in you, so that you may present yourself in your best light.

FineLinen:

--- Quote from: chaela on January 30, 2008, 08:55:50 PM ---I'm heavily involved in discussing universal reconciliation with the yet-to-be-convinced, and one claim I'm confronted with is that the notion of post-mortem-correction is a means of "earning" one's salvation.  It then usually gets compared with the Purgatory of Roman Catholicism, which is taught to be a means of purification. I always thought our purification/justification came through Christ's death on the cross, so is purification what is going on in post-mortem-correction, or something else entirely?  I would hate to think that my belief in a temporary hell also led to the conclusion that salvation can be "earned" by suffering temporarily, since it's not our own efforts that save us anyway.  Hope all this made sense, lol!

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Chaela: The Source of the correction is God and has nothing at all to do with earning anything. The only passage of Scripture that speaks of "everlasting punishment" is in St. Matthew 25:46, the foundation of everlasting being aionios, and the K.J.V. translation of kolasis as punishment. The meaning of kolasis is primarily correction, followed by punishment and penalty. Correction does not go on and on and on: it reaches consummation, that consummation being the peaceable fruits of righteousness.

And the foundation of kolasis is kolazo meaning trimming and pruning.

Kolasis HERE

chaela:
Ah, thank you!  I didn't think it had anything to do with earning one's way out of there, but wanted to be sure.  People tend to accuse us of pushing a "purgatory" like thing with this, so it helps to be able to distinguish what we believe about post-mortem correction from Roman Catholic purgation. 

Reverend G:
My own peculiar view on this may be helpful.  Do these same folks always make sure they shower and put on clean clothes before they attend services?  In order to be presentable to Him?  Would they not do the same before eternity?  Forgiven, yet unclean, we need to be cleaned up to be presentable before Him.  It's not about paybacks.

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