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Offline Jock

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Martin Zender
« on: April 29, 2013, 02:48:36 PM »
Has anybody heard of Martin Zender. He names the doctrine of eternal torment, a virus. Here's a link:    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBRdIDFomTg

I'd like to hear what you think, I find him quite refreshing

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Re: Martin Zender
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2013, 02:53:35 PM »
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Re: Martin Zender
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2013, 03:17:53 PM »
Thanks for posting the video Jock. I agree with this guy on the insanity of ET. I personally know people who believe so strongly in ET that they get insanely defensive of it when I try to present UR to them. I don't necessarily believe that they are insane since they are my parents but they are not ready yet to know the character of Jesus Christ because.............2 Thessalonians 2
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
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Re: Martin Zender
« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2013, 05:17:52 PM »

I would exactly think of it as a virus! Hopefully we can understand their view however.. well, not the view  :laughing7: but how it is they believe they are defending the Holy Truth of Jesus Christ.. as to them it is a part of the package, and to deny a part of the package is to deny Christ! ..it's sad.. I really think only the Spirit of God can get beneath this and lift it.. much prayer needed! :grouppray: ("where two or more agree..")
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Re: Martin Zender
« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2013, 05:29:41 PM »
Their are several viruses burning among the members of the body of Christ. There are also a few cancers. Almost all of them are born of extremes in doctrinal understanding(a root of truth exalted out of its proper context) or extremes of authority or leadership by charisma and oratory skill rather than by the guidance of the Spirit of Christ.

Pray therefore the Lord send laborers into the harvest, for the fields are white but the laborers few.

1Co 3:11-23  For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.  (12)  Now if any man builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw,  (13)  each man's work will become evident; for the day will show it because it is to be revealed with fire, and the fire itself will test the quality of each man's work.  (14)  If any man's work which he has built on it remains, he will receive a reward.  (15)  If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.  (16)  Do you not know that you are a temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?  (17)  If any man destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him, for the temple of God is holy, and that is what you are.  (18)  Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you thinks that he is wise in this age, he must become foolish, so that he may become wise.  (19)  For the wisdom of this world is foolishness before God. For it is written, "He is THE ONE WHO CATCHES THE WISE IN THEIR CRAFTINESS";  (20)  and again, "THE LORD KNOWS THE REASONINGS of the wise, THAT THEY ARE USELESS."  (21)  So then let no one boast in men. For all things belong to you,  (22)  whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas or the world or life or death or things present or things to come; all things belong to you,  (23)  and you belong to Christ; and Christ belongs to God.
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Re: Martin Zender
« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2013, 06:22:36 PM »
p.s. -  I totally agree with the 2nd link :gsmile: :gthumbsup: 
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Re: Martin Zender
« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2013, 06:44:31 PM »
Those who are purporting this terror are really characterizing the devil and trying to turn the God of the Universe, to be a monster. What Yeshua spoke of was love, compassion and His great love for the Father. May He shape me to emulate Him,Amen
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Re: Martin Zender
« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2013, 10:18:38 PM »
Watching the Zender tape, (he's one of my favorite links)
It occurred to me that 1.) people universally agree that the parents that sacrificed their children to Baal,
burning them in the fire, were messed up in the head. @.) The children thrown into the fire or laid on the molten hot arms of Baal
were there for a very short time of pain and then released into death. 3.) ECT people see absolutely nothing wrong, absurd, or insane with "God, the Father of ALL" tormenting 95% of his children similarly "forever and ever"(the "and ever" somehow makes it worse then just forever) :Peace2:
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Re: Martin Zender
« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2013, 06:03:11 PM »
eaglesway,
A virus is the perfect analogy for the whole state of orthodox Christianity. We (UR) are the antibodies to the Christian virus of ET.
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Re: Martin Zender
« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2013, 09:24:25 PM »
I just love how conspiratorial Zender acts at the beginning and end of the video, as he stands under some tree, and yet how straightforward he is in his talk, inside. 

Yes ET is a virus, and Hell is a 404.
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Socrates taught Plato.  Plato taught Aristotle.  Aristotle tutored the son of Philip of Macedon.  This boy grew up to become Alexander the Great, largely by slaughtering a lot of people.  That's philosophy.

Jesus spoke the Truth.  He blessed the poor.  He healed the sick.  He even raised the dead.  He died on a cross for us, lived again, and came back long enough to tell us to love one another.  That's religion.

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Re: Martin Zender
« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2013, 05:39:07 PM »
Here's   another Zender link:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5FH8kRNdJc
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Re: Martin Zender
« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2013, 09:40:00 AM »
I do enjoy listening to Zender. He's very funny and insightful. He has a much different style than Gary, but it's the same message, and they both do a fantastic job getting it out.
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Re: Martin Zender
« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2013, 09:45:29 AM »
Yep, I'm a Zenderonian!
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Re: Martin Zender
« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2013, 02:50:00 PM »
I follow his videos.  :laughing7:
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