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Offline legoman

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Calvinism is like going for Ice Cream
« on: April 29, 2009, 10:41:46 PM »
Saw this over at the "other" board, and it cracked me up. 


Here is a quick and easy way to explain Calvinism.  Calvinism is like telling both of your children, "Let's go out for ice cream", and on the way there you throw one of them out the car window.

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Re: Calvinism is like going for Ice Cream
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2009, 11:07:10 PM »
A loving father!
He saved his kid from hotter fire my killing it while it was relatively sinless....






1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
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Re: Calvinism is like going for Ice Cream
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2009, 11:28:55 PM »
But don't you get it, the Father loves both his children!  Granted he does love one more than the other.

See, he is showing the one he throws out the window how much love he has for his other child, because he didn't throw the other child out the window too!

The one he didn't throw out the window is greatful and truly understands love now.

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Re: Calvinism is like going for Ice Cream
« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2009, 11:40:51 PM »
The man has 'knew' his wife twice.
First time without anti-conception.
Second time with anti-conception. Turned out the perforated summer-edition was not safe  :laughing7:

So.... the 1st kid was elected!
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: Calvinism is like going for Ice Cream
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2009, 01:46:22 PM »
Here is a quick and easy way to explain Calvinism.  Calvinism is like telling both of your children, "Let's go out for ice cream", and on the way there you throw one of them out the car window.
But Arminianism says that 20% or perhaps as much as 60% or 80% of the kids dumped from the car made a wise and timely decision before it was too late about how they were going to hit the curb or fall over the bridge, so that's how salvation is fair and how even in the worst of circumstances, God will have a sampling of every family on earth.  See there, that mangled kid made it into college, therefore you and yours has zero excuse!  Somehow, I think that when the Scriptures speak of having no excuse when it comes to Judgment Day, it's sorta talking about an instinctive but very rudimentary knowledge of good and evil, but most especially of Who God is, so that you'll even know what He's talking about, and Who It Is That's Addressing you, rather than the tales of the self made millionaires of society who've overcome impossible odds. 

It's not talking about performance based righteousness with God.  Zero excuse is in knowing your Creator when you meet Him and that He is completely independently righteous as the righteous judge to lead into joy or into gnashing of teeth so that all of us will ultimately get along and do things together His Way.  Sowing and reaping isn't applicable to one's own eternal state.  That God settled by God's Seed and the resurrection of that Seed rather than our puny genetically modified ingredients.  Sowing and reaping governs whether we're going to have another day of Hell, fear, anguish, bad company, wilderness, frustration, emptiness, confusion, or whether we're going to be on the steady [though sometimes seemingly impossibly slow] increase in our characters, relationships, callings, wholeness, vision, contentment, clarity, green pastures, and still waters. 

And both versions of the world we make here for ourselves tend to grow like the type of bamboo that I heard about one time where you water it for 4 or 5 years with it seemingly having zero growth and it's either in the 5th or the 6th year when the thing grows 90ft in that year.  Jesus was kind in using corn and mustard seed illustrations, but many of us have had the reality of that bamboo where bad habits were doing zero to us and then everything went wrong all at once, even in areas where the carnal mind would say that it can't possibly be related.  And some of us are finally experiencing the good of something that just looked at us for decades without really doing anything but sitting there, and now the milk and honey won't stop flowing like a tsunami.  Jesus' usage of grape vines in His illustrations probably comes closer to reflecting the reality of most of our situations.  Not much to speak of those first few years, but then WOW!!!

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Re: Calvinism is like going for Ice Cream
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2009, 02:50:20 PM »
Sowing and reaping isn't applicable to one's own eternal state.
Uh, 'yes' and 'no'.  Another limitation of my current ability to use the English language.  Pray that God will give me wisdom on clarifying that statement later in a way that's fully agreeable to all of the Scriptures.

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Re: Calvinism is like going for Ice Cream
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2009, 03:58:55 PM »
Great thread  :happygrin:  T.U.L.I.P. anyone?
Ours is not to make up anybody's mind, but to open hearts.
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Re: Calvinism is like going for Ice Cream
« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2009, 05:21:33 PM »


1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: Calvinism is like going for Ice Cream
« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2009, 05:25:24 PM »
Sowing and reaping isn't applicable to one's own eternal state.
Uh, 'yes' and 'no'.  Another limitation of my current ability to use the English language.  Pray that God will give me wisdom on clarifying that statement later in a way that's fully agreeable to all of the Scriptures.

all are saved no matter what the sowed?
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: Calvinism is like going for Ice Cream
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2009, 08:30:30 AM »



WW,

Is this a REAL T-Shirt?  Or a virtual one.  Just wondering where you found it.  - Anne
Ours is not to make up anybody's mind, but to open hearts.
You cannot plough a field by turning it over in your mind.

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Re: Calvinism is like going for Ice Cream
« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2009, 08:55:51 AM »
all are saved no matter what the sowed?
yes, but as I've previously hinted at not being able to fully resolve, Biblically, the possibility of virtually an eternal loss if not an eternal punishment.  When I hit a brick wall on something, I simply go back to what Jesus said in Mark 4:13 was the great decoder of Scripture.  And then back track through any Scriptures that seem relevant on that proper framework as established by Jesus for the questions to be mounted on, together with their answers.  I'm still working on this one.  But I've been looking beyond the reign of Christ for quite a while, so, I don't want to be misconstrued as merely talking about New Earth under Christ's reign.  Questions about being able to redeem one's self in that context and being able to reclaim all that was lost previously might have a place, though I'm not sure of a validity or of being able to totally take back all 'cause of the faith aspect of this present age, the demension of temptation associated with it, etc. seeming to be so pivotal to how big certain rewards are. 

And by being able to redeem one's self in that context, lest I get pounced on by anyone thinking I'm talking about a way other than the Blood of Christ, [which by now folks should know where I stand on that,] I'm using the phraseology with regards to being unsure of possibilities for recapturing certain aspects of rewards based upon obedience in that world.  I refuse to philosophically speculate in matters of Scripture.  Not hard to throw something out there about being able to do that there and reap the fullest part of that in the all in all world as seed is carried by the winds from world to world in the way that there's cross pollination between worlds and solar systems even now.  But although there may be a way of arguing that from the basis of His character, still we don't understand enough of what/why any rewards whatsoever to take the presumptive leap without more Scripture to hang our hat on.  Although everything's rooted in love and grown by it as it's necessary nourishment, there's still such a legality involved with even every aspect of the New Testament. 

Heirs of God, joint-heirs with Christ if so be that we plow with Him so that we can reign together with Him.  The work of a reaper is where His deepest (long)sufferings are involved rather than merely the Cross.  The Cross was simply a pivotal aspect of that, around which all of history rotates and is kept from start to finish from falling irreparably into the Abyss.  The Cross is simply the offered soil and boundaries of the farm.  Everything's the planting, nurturing, and reaping of crops in the Kingdom, from definitive Words from Him about this or that, to the recapturing of wholeness, fitness, and total transfiguration.

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Re: Calvinism is like going for Ice Cream
« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2009, 09:04:13 AM »
Sowing and reaping isn't applicable to one's own eternal state.
Uh, 'yes' and 'no'.  Another limitation of my current ability to use the English language.  Pray that God will give me wisdom on clarifying that statement later in a way that's fully agreeable to all of the Scriptures.

35Say not ye, There are yet four months, and then cometh harvest? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white already to harvest.

 36And he that reapeth receiveth wages, and gathereth fruit unto life eternal: that both he that soweth and he that reapeth may rejoice together.

 37And herein is that saying true, One soweth, and another reapeth.


--John 4


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Re: Calvinism is like going for Ice Cream
« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2009, 09:21:41 AM »



WW,

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Yes; you can buy it here: http://www.zazzle.com/calvins_tulip_tshirt-235201440623398342
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...