Apologetics - Universal Reconciliation > Hellbusters Hallow

The Sword of the Spirit, The Body of Christ & The Kingdom of God

(1/1)

eaglesway:
 I have found over the years that "logic" is a concept that gets more credit than it should. Logic is an overall value system based on certain fixed beliefs. My logic is formed by the Logos of God, but of course, only to the extent that I see into the true meaning of the scriptures. I have had veils; prejudices and assumptions; based on tradition and ambition that obscured the "true knowledge of God" and bound me to perceptions based on mans "logic". Man loves systematic theology. Put God in a box, sit on the lid. It is as if we are looking through a thick red pane of glass from the time we are "born". We see the images, but the real life and depth is not there. I was begotten into this new life out of drugs, the occult and insanity- by a powerful personal revelation from the Lord Jesus. On the impetus of that experience I bought my first Bible and began to read the Word. Over a short time, the Holy Spirit gave me my mind back, built block by block upon the Word of God. The Holy Spirit taught me many things and I received the Word engrafted at face value, believing all that I read. Later I entered the realm of Christian religion and began to lose my mind again :msealed:. Too many things did not make sense. Many interpretations I was taught did not feel right. At the bottom of everything I knew that ALL the scriptures had to make sense if I was to rely on any of them. The practice of interpreting the Word by the majority position denied the inspiration of the scriptures as from "Holy men moved of God," as "not given to any man's private interpretation," as "the scriptures cannot be broken." Thankfully, it seemed at every junction where I was about to take a big leap into "ministry", my pursuit of the truth led me to another "torn veil", or "broken pane of colored glass"- the destruction of some tradition , and I would find myself in the wilderness again. That has always been OK because I knew where I stood- upon the Logos of God, in fellowship with Him. The doctrine of eternal judgment(ultimate universal reconciliation) is just one of those veils.
    While my seeking of truth has served me well in His gracious leading, only when I have been able to find the witness in the scriptures have I been able to stand firm. If we are going to "persuade men" who are bound in chains of tradition we have to present the Word of God. Only the scriptures, wielded as the Sword of the Spirit....can set people free. There is more than enough scripture to break through those chains, and tear those veils, for any true seeker of God. I personally believe that there is a tendency to "go beyond what is written" when men seek to establish the truth of their beliefs, even teaching UR. Logic allows that. The scriptures do not. When I was wrestling with questions I had concerning the restitution of all things and the punishments of God, I read many articles and books. Some of them were helpful. Others made statements that I felt went beyond scripture. Some denied the judgments of God. Some denied His righteous anger. Many relied entirely on logical presentations.

2Ti 3:16  All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

Universal reconciliation is a foundation doctrine. It is the milk of the word, regardless of how long it takes someone to get there. It is, essentially, the doctrine of eternal judgment, referred to in Hebrews chapters 5 and 6 as the elementary principles of the oracles of God. I believe almost everyone in the early churches that Paul, Peter, James and John wrote letters to had already received it part and parcel in the gospel.

 1Co 2:1-5  When I came to you, brothers, I did not come with eloquence or superior wisdom as I proclaimed to you the testimony about God.  (2)  For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.  (3)  I came to you in weakness and fear, and with much trembling.  (4)  My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words, but with a demonstration of the Spirit's power,  (5)  so that your faith might not rest on men's wisdom, but on God's power.

Proclaiming the gospel in the dunamis of the Spirit is still the way of spreading the Good News. Without the anointing UR is just another doctrine. In the power of the Holy Spirit is is part and parcel with the gospel of Jesus Christ. The weakness of apologetics alone is that it cannot impart the greatest blessing. New life in the Holy Spirit. I praise God for every voice of reason and truth that brings glory to God, but I long to see the tabernacle of living stones filled with His glory; the body of Christ moving in power, wisdom and love under His headship; the kingdom of God as a city set on a hill shining light into all the house. It is the testimony of God that persuades people. God help us, to pursue all the things that make for strong men and women of God in the Spirit. Overcomers. Reconciling men unto God and destroying the works of the devil.

1Th 1:5  For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake.

Act 2:42-47  And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.  (43)  And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.  (44)  And all that believed were together, and had all things common;  (45)  And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.  (46)  And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,  (47)  Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

Cardinal:
 :cloud9: Amen, good word.  :thumbsup: So glad you made it out! Blessings.....

aspiring son:
Eaglesway,

Very good word. Similar testimony as well. But word for word, all you just said is true. May the spirit give life to our posts, slaying those who need to be slayed, healing those who need to be healed. Edifying those who seek him.

Grace and peace,

Brandon

Doc:

--- Quote from: eaglesway on August 18, 2009, 07:27:01 AM --- I have found over the years that "logic" is a concept that gets more credit than it should. Logic is an overall value system based on certain fixed beliefs. My logic is formed by the Logos of God, but of course, only to the extent that I see into the true meaning of the scriptures. I have had veils; prejudices and assumptions; based on tradition and ambition that obscured the "true knowledge of God" and bound me to perceptions based on mans "logic". Man loves systematic theology. Put God in a box, sit on the lid. It is as if we are looking through a thick red pane of glass from the time we are "born". We see the images, but the real life and depth is not there. I was begotten into this new life out of drugs, the occult and insanity- by a powerful personal revelation from the Lord Jesus. On the impetus of that experience I bought my first Bible and began to read the Word. Over a short time, the Holy Spirit gave me my mind back, built block by block upon the Word of God. The Holy Spirit taught me many things and I received the Word engrafted at face value, believing all that I read. Later I entered the realm of Christian religion and began to lose my mind again :msealed:. Too many things did not make sense. Many interpretations I was taught did not feel right. At the bottom of everything I knew that ALL the scriptures had to make sense if I was to rely on any of them. The practice of interpreting the Word by the majority position denied the inspiration of the scriptures as from "Holy men moved of God," as "not given to any man's private interpretation," as "the scriptures cannot be broken." Thankfully, it seemed at every junction where I was about to take a big leap into "ministry", my pursuit of the truth led me to another "torn veil", or "broken pane of colored glass"- the destruction of some tradition , and I would find myself in the wilderness again. That has always been OK because I knew where I stood- upon the Logos of God, in fellowship with Him. The doctrine of eternal judgment(ultimate universal reconciliation) is just one of those veils.
    While my seeking of truth has served me well in His gracious leading, only when I have been able to find the witness in the scriptures have I been able to stand firm. If we are going to "persuade men" who are bound in chains of tradition we have to present the Word of God. Only the scriptures, wielded as the Sword of the Spirit....can set people free. There is more than enough scripture to break through those chains, and tear those veils, for any true seeker of God. I personally believe that there is a tendency to "go beyond what is written" when men seek to establish the truth of their beliefs, even teaching UR. Logic allows that. The scriptures do not. When I was wrestling with questions I had concerning the restitution of all things and the punishments of God, I read many articles and books. Some of them were helpful. Others made statements that I felt went beyond scripture. Some denied the judgments of God. Some denied His righteous anger. Many relied entirely on logical presentations.


1Th 1:5  For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake.



--- End quote ---

Great to be reminded of this, and this verse in particular hit me: The "UR" version of the gospel was the only one that came to me in power, the Holy Spirit and much assurance. The other "gospel" came to me in word only.

Navigation

[0] Message Index

Go to full version