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Re: The Son of Man Coming in the Clouds... Literally?
« Reply #25 on: July 15, 2011, 07:22:16 AM »


Amen and Glory and Amen!

Amen.
And this:

In the religious systems the order, the method, the technique, the organization, the liturgy, the creed is all-important.  But in the Melchizedekian Order THE ONE WAY IS THE LIFE OF THE LORD. 

We now live and move and have our being in the life of the Spirit.  This is why there are no patterns, no methods, no precedents of any kind in the New Testament for the Melchizedek Priesthood.  Jesus never did the same thing in exactly the same way twice.



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Re: The Son of Man Coming in the Clouds... Literally?
« Reply #26 on: July 15, 2011, 08:33:48 AM »
Nathan you may mean tower (of Babel)

Migdal H4026  (in greek Magdala, as in Magdalene [I think])

1) tower
If you change tower in pillar...


Magdal is pillar in Hebrew.
So Mary Magdal means Mary the pilar.
If you look at the Hebrew and look up high priest you find Ha-Kohen.
Ha = high, supreme
Kohen = priest. (of Levi)
Her exact Hebrew name was Ma-Gadol-aH-eN
Meaning supreme, highest, most important, etc pillar.
Mary Magdalene was the most important of her tribe. (Benjamin)


Dunno if it's correct but perhaps we can indeed call her a "tower"....?


1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: The Son of Man Coming in the Clouds... Literally?
« Reply #27 on: July 15, 2011, 08:37:48 AM »
I'm pretty sure I mentioned this some months ago, but this particular passage always jumps out at me pertaining to those that embrace the rapture.  They will often use this passage as their defense and proof (two words I hate using when referring to kingdom principles) that there is yet a rapture to take place.
I wrote about this a little while ago. Those words actually prove Jesus comes and stays on earth. He's not taking anyone away.
(Parable of the ten virgins, among other things)
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: The Son of Man Coming in the Clouds... Literally?
« Reply #28 on: July 15, 2011, 08:54:44 AM »
The literalization of stars falling from the heavens is catastrophic to say the least.  Earth would never survive such an event.  It's been clearly pointed out of the accuracy of how the elements are positioned and aligned to allow life to be sustained on this planet.  One small altercation to any of the elements involved and life as we know it would not exist.  I mean people are so concerned about lsustaining life on this planet, as though we have the power to even do that . . .but they fully believe that the life on this planet is so sensitive that us humans have such power that we can alter it's life-span.  And yet, out of the other side of their religious mouths, they say that actual stars are literally going to fall and the earth will still exist?  People always want it both ways.
There is so much wrong about the idea stars could fall on earth I don't even know where to begin. And Christians wonder why there are so many atheists....
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: The Son of Man Coming in the Clouds... Literally?
« Reply #29 on: July 15, 2011, 10:28:59 AM »
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There is so much wrong about the idea stars could fall on earth I don't even know where to begin. And Christians wonder why there are so many atheists...." WW

You have that right! :thumbsup:
Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

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Re: The Son of Man Coming in the Clouds... Literally?
« Reply #30 on: July 15, 2011, 04:00:20 PM »
 RE; Son of Man coming on the clouds..........1Cor 15;   WHEN YOU SOW YOU DO NOT PLANT THE BODY THAT WILL BE

    Paul was as one born out of season..in that He did not know Christ in the flesh..but in the spirit...

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Re: The Son of Man Coming in the Clouds... Literally?
« Reply #31 on: July 15, 2011, 04:24:54 PM »
This topic http://www.tentmaker.org/forum/word_studies/eis_9814.msg124636.html#new, was posted with this question in mind

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Re: The Son of Man Coming in the Clouds... Literally?
« Reply #32 on: July 15, 2011, 04:54:41 PM »
Nathan you may mean tower (of Babel)

Migdal H4026  (in greek Magdala, as in Magdalene [I think])

1) tower
If you change tower in pillar...


Magdal is pillar in Hebrew.
So Mary Magdal means Mary the pilar.
If you look at the Hebrew and look up high priest you find Ha-Kohen.
Ha = high, supreme
Kohen = priest. (of Levi)
Her exact Hebrew name was Ma-Gadol-aH-eN
Meaning supreme, highest, most important, etc pillar.
Mary Magdalene was the most important of her tribe. (Benjamin)


Dunno if it's correct but perhaps we can indeed call her a "tower"....?

That's fascinating. Thank you.
And to think the so-called "church" world has been labeling her a harlot for centuries.

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Re: The Son of Man Coming in the Clouds... Literally?
« Reply #33 on: July 15, 2011, 05:35:47 PM »
That's true... how many times have I heard Mary Magdalene without hearing "the prostitute" behind it... not many! My goodness, God forgive us for our ignorance!
From Him and through Him and to Him are all things.

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Re: The Son of Man Coming in the Clouds... Literally?
« Reply #34 on: July 15, 2011, 05:36:43 PM »
Harlot I don't know. But she did something wrong that likely was called adultary then.
Adultary can be sex but there are many other forms.
Shaking hands with a strange man for example.

Three Mary's in Jesus as Jesus' family and friend make things even more muddy.

Imo translators made a big mistake calling her Magdalene.
Many words would have been better even silly ones like president.
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: The Son of Man Coming in the Clouds... Literally?
« Reply #35 on: July 15, 2011, 05:42:56 PM »
 thank goodness someone finally gave her a break!!  slandering of celestial beings is so carnal.   thinking of supporting pillars here....and how the  women who

  accompanied Jesus would minister unto them from their 'stores/provisions

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Re: The Son of Man Coming in the Clouds... Literally?
« Reply #36 on: July 15, 2011, 05:44:39 PM »


Can it be that she was an adulteress to the law of Moses by following Jesus?

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Re: The Son of Man Coming in the Clouds... Literally?
« Reply #37 on: July 15, 2011, 05:46:39 PM »
   makes me wonder...when Jesus said,'the 'harlots' and tax collectors are entering into the kingdom ahead of you" If He wasn't being 'ironic'

   He will rule them with a rod of iron

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Re: The Son of Man Coming in the Clouds... Literally?
« Reply #38 on: July 15, 2011, 06:26:14 PM »


Can it be that she was an adulteress to the law of Moses by following Jesus?
Even worse... she made Him King and high Priest... :msealed:

The passage about Jesus forgiving her is not just to show how a nice guy Jesus was/is.
There are only 3 persons that can forgive a woman adultary.
Her husband. Her father. Her oldest son.
We all know Jesus didn't marry and didn't have children.
He was her adopted son. (bloodlien of David and Nathan etc)
When a woman was caught in adulatry she coul dbe stoned to death or forgiven. But even wheb forgiven all her offspring born after the adultary would be bastards. Meaning nobody born after her adultary could be the new pillar.
Meaning nobody could annoint new priests and kings. Not sure but if she hadn't chidren before the event it simply means it's impossible the messiah the Jews are waiting for can ever exist.
Only kings can sit on David's throne. But if there is nobody that can annoit the king.....
OTOH I'm sure the hundreds of Rabbis that teach a future Messiah didn't overlook what I wrote in this post. So I could be very wrong...
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: The Son of Man Coming in the Clouds... Literally?
« Reply #39 on: July 15, 2011, 06:32:19 PM »
   makes me wonder...when Jesus said,'the 'harlots' and tax collectors are entering into the kingdom ahead of you" If He wasn't being 'ironic'
I think He simply meant to say that their sins were greater than adultary.
Although He forgave I don't think He viewed it as something possive...


   
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He will rule them with a rod of iron
But also
Matthew 12:20 A bruised reed he will not break, and a smoldering wick he will not snuff out, till he leads justice to victory
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: The Son of Man Coming in the Clouds... Literally?
« Reply #40 on: July 15, 2011, 06:42:25 PM »
  well....I thought He was the 'Word of God' come in Flesh. So really it was her Father. Jesus stated 'FROM NOW ON CALL NO MAN YOUR FATHER

   the Father does not lose the right to bear children..when He forgives a daughter

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Re: The Son of Man Coming in the Clouds... Literally?
« Reply #41 on: July 15, 2011, 06:45:14 PM »
 

   It is written, I will not punish your daughter-in-law when she is caught in adultery,for the men even consort with temple prostitutes

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Re: The Son of Man Coming in the Clouds... Literally?
« Reply #42 on: July 15, 2011, 06:47:37 PM »
That's true... how many times have I heard Mary Magdalene without hearing "the prostitute" behind it... not many! My goodness, God forgive us for our ignorance!
Lo Lomarah, (sounds hebrew..)

She was one imo. My proof is this.
If she wasn't why would Jesus forgive her?
If it was a false accusation 'm sure Jesus would have rebuked all who would accuse her falsely.
Jesus took every opportunity to teach something but not based on lies.
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1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: The Son of Man Coming in the Clouds... Literally?
« Reply #43 on: July 15, 2011, 06:50:53 PM »
Spiritually, of course . . .
Literally . . . to each "individual" inwardly . . .then yes again.

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Re: The Son of Man Coming in the Clouds... Literally?
« Reply #44 on: July 15, 2011, 07:02:24 PM »
 Wisdom warns men to drink water from their owncisternl,lest their streams over flow in the street Proverbs 5;15-18

    The fact that 'NO MAN" condemned her...is related to the above priniciples,and Father thought it an unjust pair of scales to do otherwise

   with the same judgement you judge,you shall be judged

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Re: The Son of Man Coming in the Clouds... Literally?
« Reply #45 on: July 15, 2011, 07:42:17 PM »
  Jeremiah 8;10   Therefore I will give their wives to other men,and their feilds to new owners  [mis-handled LAW]

   see 2 Sam 12;8.........indeed Father gave Israel's wife to Christ.[another man]..and all her feilds.....and her streams flowed in the street even unto the Gentiles

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Re: The Son of Man Coming in the Clouds... Literally?
« Reply #46 on: July 15, 2011, 08:59:11 PM »
Hey Sheila, how would I apply that inwardly to "me"?

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« Reply #47 on: July 15, 2011, 10:19:51 PM »
  your new man gets the girl!!

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Re: The Son of Man Coming in the Clouds... Literally?
« Reply #48 on: July 15, 2011, 10:23:53 PM »


lol!


THAT'S PRICELESS!


lol!

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Re: The Son of Man Coming in the Clouds... Literally?
« Reply #49 on: July 15, 2011, 10:28:21 PM »
 :laughhand: