Question for anyone....

[WhiteWings]

My dad was a teacher and of dutch descent so he was used to plays on words.

My dad is of Dutch descent too.
 
In Dutch a snake a has "gespleten" = split tongue.
A fork in a road is called a "splitsing' = split(ting)
A cloven hoove is called a "gespleten hoef"= split hoove
 
So for me the words are (very) similar.
But comparing HS with a snake (=satan) is a bit 

[Cardinal]

Hi;
Also interesting in Acts 2;6-11  " When this sound occured the multitude came together and was confused because each one heard them speaking in his own language. And they were astounded and amazed saying,
 ' Look, aren't all these who are speaking Galileans? How is it that we hear, each one of us, in our own native language? Parthians, Medes, Elamites, those who live in Mesopotamia, in Judea, and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts o Lybia near Cyrene; visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, Cretans and Arabs- WE HEAR THEM SPEAKING IN OUR OWN LANGUAGES THE MAGNIFICENT ACTS OF GOD."

* This seems to indicate that the gift of tongues meant they spoke in other languages known to people of the area.

  I've shared this before, but I've experienced this phenomena in a church one time. The woman got tongues, but I heard what she said in tongues, but ALSO heard what she said as she said it, in English, by the power and election of the Spirit. I was stunned, but the experience showed me what the day of Pentecost was like.

The "supernatural" aspect to it all is not just about the tongues, but about God, who gives the HEARING ear. I've read where scholars estimated there were men from at least 18 different lands there, so for them to hear in their own languages, was the powerful aspect of the experience. Blessings....

[WhiteWings]

Taken from the 2nd book of Acts.   Many languages, at least five, were spoken as the Holy Ghost filled the people in the upper room, and visitors from out of town heard them speaking in tongues: As the scriptures state, each heard his own language being spoken, ie, folks from all these places heard their native language spoken:     

• Phrygia,   
• Pamphylia,   
• Egypt,   
• Libya   
• Cyrenesalem

  Acts 2:5 And there were dwelling at JeruParthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judæa, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, 6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. 7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilæans? 8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? 9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judæa, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, 10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, 11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

[WhiteWings]

Pentecost was 50 days after Passover

Nope.
Pentecost is 50 days after First Fruits.
First Fruits is on the Sunday that follows the Sabbath after Passover.
The interval between Passover and FF varies because Passover can be any day of the week.
If Passover is on Saturday, FF is on the Sunday following the next Saturday. 7 days in between
Obviously it different in Passover is on, say, a Wednesday.
 
 

[WhiteWings]

Continuing from the above....
Today I've chained some verses to a nice little story for ya all 
Feedback please...
Wrong interpretation?
Missing links? 
 
 
  Joshua 5:10 And the children of Israel encamped in Gilgal, and kept the passover on the fourteenth day of the month at even in the plains of Jericho.
- Passover on 14th
 
Joshua 5:11 And they did eat of the old corn of the land on the morrow after the passover, unleavened cakes, and parched corn in the selfsame day.
- In the morning of the 15th they ate unleavened food.
- It was still food from the previous harvest. (old corn)
 
Joshua 5:12 And the manna ceased on the morrow after they had eaten of the old corn of the land; neither had the children of Israel manna  any more; but they did eat of the fruit of the land of Canaan that year.
- In the morning of the 15th they ate the last bit of old corn they had left.
- But later on that same day (15th) they did eat what grows on the land.
- If they have no old food left and a few hours later they eat of the land, it can only mean they are eating 'new' freshly harvested food.
- So they ate 'new' food on the 15th
- Why is that allowed? See next verse.
 
Leviticus 23:14 And ye shall eat neither bread, nor parched corn, nor green ears, until the selfsame day that ye have brought an offering unto your God: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.
- Here it says that after the offering it's allowed to eat from land.
- The Wave Sheaf offering was on the 15th.
 
Leviticus 23:6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.
- The feast of the unleavened bread is from 15-21 Nisan
- In this example the Wave Sheaf was on the 15th
- The date of the Wave Sheaf was inside the Feast of Unleavened bread
 
Leviticus 23:15  And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day  that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:
- The count to Pentecost starts the day after the Sabbath. This Sunday is the day of Wave Sheaf.
- The Wave Sheaf was on a day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread. 15-21
- Because Wave Sheaf is always from 15 to 21 Nisan and Sabbath is always the day before Wave Sheaf, that Sabbath day is always from 14 to 20 Nisan
 
Note: Because the Wave Sheaf is always on Monday and in Joshua they offered the Sheaf on the 15th I conclude Passover in Joshua 5:10 was on a Saturday.
 
Leviticus 23:16 And ye shall eat neither bread, nor parched corn, nor green ears, until the selfsame day that ye have brought an offering unto your God: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.
- This verse show the 50th day follows the Sabbath. Meaning the 50th day is a Sunday.
- If we count back 50 days we arrive on Sunday (remember the Jews use inclusive counting)
- Conclusion: The 50 day count starts and ends on Sunday.
 
Summary and examples:
- The Pentecost count starts and end on Sunday
- The starting Sunday is the day of Wave Sheaf.
- The Weave Sheaf is the day after the first weekly Sabbath that follows Passover.
- If Passover is on a Saturday then Weave Sheaf is the next day. (Nisan 15th)
 
Passover ---> x days ---> Saturday ---> Next day Wave Sheaf Monday ---> 50 day count ---> Pentecost Sunday
 
If Passover is on Friday 14th  then the first weekly Sabbath is on Saturday 15th. Wave Sheaf is on Sunday 16th. Here the Pentecost count starts.
If Passover is on Saturday 14th  then the first weekly Sabbath is on Saturday 14th. Wave Sheaf is on Sunday 15th. Here the Pentecost count starts.
If Passover is on Sunday 14th then the first weekly Sabbath is on Saturday 20th. Wave Sheaf is on Sunday 21st. Here the Pentecost count starts.
If Passover is on Monday 14th  then the first weekly Sabbath is on Saturday 19th. Wave Sheaf is on Sunday 20th. Here the Pentecost count starts.

[WhiteWings]

I remember someone said, that all the hotels were full, because there was some festival going on. That might hep the date.

 

That was because of the census. There is no disagreement on the fact there was a census. (Luke clearly wrote that) The disagreement is about what census.
Such a sensus sometimes took more as a year. There were also several types. The census' allows for a possible birth date of 11BC to 1BC.
This particular sensus was not an ordinary count. The emperor was declared "Father of the state/empire" a title of honor.
Roman citizens came to "approve" that title. It was not for ordinary people but besides for Roman citizens the more higher ranking people.
That would mean Joseph and Mary had some standing. That's likely because Joseph's (and Jesus) proffesion was not a simple carpenter.
The were more like architects/master builders of large wooden contructions like bridges (and large houses)
 
Anyway, imo, there isn't a single event that pinpoint His birth. Several bits of info are needed to get some accuracy.
Just like Herods death that was near a lunar eclipse. But that's useless info if you don't know the year of his death. Lunar eclipses are not very rare...
 
Other things that are more gut feeling is that all special events are on holy days. Ministry was during a Sabbath and Jubilee year.
Ideal for His ministry because farmers all were in town to look for a job because farming was stricktly forbidden at that time.
That are little bits of extra proof for me.
 
Dare I to conclude things fall so nicely into place it looks like planned   

  Don't forget that the festivals were actually moeds (divine appointments) ordained by God in which the sons (and their families came usually) 20 years and older were required to bring a sacrifice and come before the Lord. The 3 main festivals, including, of course, Tabernacles we're discussing, was such an occasion. That is another reason why I believe it was in Tabernacles, ie. God tabernacled among men. This would be why there was no place at the inn, as Jews from everywhere were required to come.

Also, the only reason why I think we're to know, is because it points to His divine patterns again, just like the Tabernacle and just like the Word has. My  Blessings....

I got some time to think about your reply

As you wrote during Tabernacles the adult males needed to be in the Temple/Jerusalem. Because He was born in Bethlehem, it means He wasn't born during any of the 3 main festivals because His parents would have been in Jerusalem.
The Romans had trouble enough with the Jews without forcing them to be at the wrong place during their main festivals.
 


(Matthew 2:1 [CLV])
Now, at Jesus' being born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, lo! magi from the East came along into Jerusalem,

Sometimes things are so simple they are overlooked   

[Cardinal]

  It's my understanding that that's WHY they were in Bethlehem because they were on their way to the festival.....

[WhiteWings]

It's my understanding that that's WHY they were in Bethlehem because they were on their way to the festival.....

Mmm, I thought Bethlehem was a seperate town. It's a neighborhood or Jerusalem.
(Luke 2:4 [CLV]) Now Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judea, into the city of David which is called Bethlehem, because of his being of the house and kindred of David,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_David

The reason why they were there isn't really important for this discussion. What's important is that He was born on Rosh Hasannah. Tishri 1
Tabernacles was on Tishri 15th. His 1st time in the Temple was for circumsision, but that was Sukkot.
I have yet to find a Tabernacle event related to a significant event in His life.
Technically speaking He was aready living in the womb of Mary but cout Tabernacled simply mean the tabernacle/body of Jesus came into the world that day?
Just wild guesswork.....

[WhiteWings]

Ever wondered why circumcision is on the eighth day?
Biblical Accuracy and Circumcision on the 8th Day
by  Bert Thompson, Ph.D.


Q.
In Genesis 17:12, God commanded Abraham to circumcise baby boys on the eighth day of their lives. Why day eight? Is there any good, scientific rationale behind such a command?

A.
The faith of each individual Christian rests upon the bedrock foundation of the Bible's inspiration. If the Bible is of human origin, then it logically follows that the facts and doctrines found therein are only as reliable as human knowledge can be. However, if the biblical records were provided by the Holy Spirit (2 Peter 1:20-21), then we have every reason to believe that the facts and doctrines recorded therein are free of those imperfections and blemishes that characterize all purely human efforts.

The Greek word used in the New Testament to express the concept of inspiration is theopneustos, and itself derives from two roots—theos, God, and pneustos, breathed (from pneo, to blow or breathe). Theopneustos, therefore, would mean "God-breathed." The word implies an influence from without producing effects that are beyond natural powers. The proper view of inspiration often is referred to as being verbal (word-for-word) and plenary (complete). This concept suggests that men wrote what God directed, without errors or mistakes, yet with their own personalities reflected in their writings.

A close examination of the Bible reveals startling proof of its inspiration. Sometimes that proof comes in the form of prophecy (always minutely foretold and completely fulfilled). Sometimes the proof comes in the form of scientific facts that were placed in the divine record hundreds or thousands of years before they were known to the modern scientific mind. This brief article deals with the latter—an important piece of scientific foreknowledge found with the biblical text that was completely unknown to man until fairly recently.

In Genesis 17:12, God specifically directed Abraham to circumcise newborn males on the eighth day. Why the eighth day? In 1935, professor H. Dam proposed the name "vitamin K" for the factor in foods that helped prevent hemorrhaging in baby chicks. We now know vitamin K is responsible for the production (by the liver) of the element known as prothrombin. If vitamin K is deficient, there will be a prothrombin deficiency and hemorrhaging may occur. Oddly, it is only on the fifth through the seventh days of the newborn male's life that vitamin K (produced by bacteria in the intestinal tract) is present in adequate quantities. Vitamin K, coupled with prothrombin, causes blood coagulation, which is important in any surgical procedure. Holt and McIntosh, in their classic work, Holt Pediatrics, observed that a newborn infant has "peculiar susceptibility to bleeding between the second and fifth days of life.... Hemorrhages at this time, though often inconsequential, are sometimes extensive; they may produce serious damage to internal organs, especially to the brain, and cause death from shock and exsanguination" (1953, pp. 125-126). Obviously, then, if vitamin K is not produced in sufficient quantities until days five through seven, it would be wise to postpone any surgery until some time after that. But why did God specify day eight?

On the eighth day, the amount of prothrombin present actually is elevated above one-hundred percent of normal—and is the only day in the male's life in which this will be the case under normal conditions. If surgery is to be performed, day eight is the perfect day to do it. Vitamin K and prothrombin levels are at their peak. The chart below, patterned after one published by S.I. McMillen, M.D., in his book, None of These Diseases, portrays this in graphic form.



Dr. McMillen observed:

We should commend the many hundreds of workers who labored at great expense over a number of years to discover that the safest day to perform circumcision is the eighth. Yet, as we congratulate medical science for this recent finding, we can almost hear the leaves of the Bible rustling. They would like to remind us that four thousand years ago, when God initiated circumcision with Abraham....
Abraham did not pick the eighth day after many centuries of trial-and-error experiments. Neither he nor any of his company from the ancient city of Ur in the Chaldees ever had been circumcised. It was a day picked by the Creator of vitamin K (1984, p. 93).

Moses' information, as recorded in Genesis 17:12, not only was scientifically accurate, but was years ahead of its time. How did Moses have access to such information? The answer, of course, is provided by the apostle Paul in 2 Timothy 3:16—"Every scripture is inspired of God."

REFERENCES
Holt, L.E. and R. McIntosh (1953), Holt Pediatrics (New York: Appleton-Century-Crofts), twelfth edition.

McMillen, S.I. (1984), None of These Diseases (Old Tappan, NJ: Revell).


http://www.theoric.org/trinityfrench/raybarnett/Apol_06A/35R1%20FaithReasonCollection/crcumcsn.pdf

[Cardinal]

  Isn't it amazing that science is catching up with God? 

Again, I think they were there for a festival; which one, I'm not sure. The tabernacle event that comes to mind for me, is the mount of Transfiguration. The Jews knew that Elijah was to come first, and they saw Elijah there talking to Him. To this day they set a place for Elijah at their tables. My