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When Was Hell Created?

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thinktank:
Interesting that the verse describes sheep and goats. Aren't goats considered a type of sheep?. If these bad people were completely outside Gods definition of sheep as his children, then why use goats? Would it not make more sense to use cattle or even better, swine?
To me a goat is a symbol of a rebellious sheep, and the scripture says that God will save All his sheep. This verse might indicate punishment but not eternally lost goats.
It depends on what Jesus, His definition of what he meant by 'goats'.

When it comes to MAthew 25:41
I see it as hell being upon the earth, not in some underworld region. It could be that through time, God will bring the devil and his angels upon the earth out in the open. The book of Isiah or ezekiel says that all kings shall behold thee and thou shalt be brought to ashes upon the earth in the sight of those that beheld the.

It could be that all the sheep who are saved will be safe in Gods kingdom his safety upon the earth, while the devil and his angels will be left outside the city gates, who will face HELL fire upon the earth.
Peter said that all the earth will burn with fervent heat.

If this is old testament type Sodom and Gomorah fire then they will be consumed and destroyed, but if it is spiritual fire of God, then they will be tormented in the presence of the lamb and holy angels, both the goats and the devil and his angels.
But the sheep, the saints will be safe in the kingdom of God
Jesus said something in the region of"You will see abraham and the prophets, but you will be cast outside, there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth"

None of these judgments indicate eternal torment, they only indicate torment or distress for a period of time.


If it indicates an old testment fire of destruction, then this indicates ED. In the context of All men be saved, this could mean, that, they will be destroyed but brought back to life at some point, or it means that Jesus accomplish his mission and will save all men and not one person will be a goat and so mankind = zero goats, but the devil and his angels will be eternally destroyed, in this judgment that the scripture says was prepared for him.
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Texas Son:

--- Quote from: micah7:9 on December 03, 2010, 07:48:39 AM ---"This place," as you describe aint and never was in His plan.  Is this a trick question?


There a work by Thomas B. Thayer on endless punishment, all the way from OT to NT that noting is mentioned.

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Interesting choice of words, but can there ever be anythig that was "never was in His plan"? If God knows everything (and He does :wink: ) then how can anything be outside of His plan?  :happy3:

ded2daworld:
IF hell was created, it would have been during creation week. It's not mentioned. The old testament does not ever mention the kind of hell envisioned by  many christians today. Remember in revelation God says, "Behold, I make all things new", he does NOT say, "Behold, I make all new things"

Texas Son:

--- Quote from: ded2daworld on December 04, 2010, 03:16:04 PM ---IF hell was created, it would have been during creation week. It's not mentioned. The old testament does not ever mention the kind of hell envisioned by  many christians today. Remember in revelation God says, "Behold, I make all things new", he does NOT say, "Behold, I make all new things"

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And if hell was created during the creation week, it was probably on a Monday. They always feel like hell to me.  :laughing7:

Beloved Servant:



THE
ORIGIN AND HISTORY
OF THE
Doctrine of Endless Punishment

BY
THOMAS B. THAYER:

http://www.godfire.net/Doctrine%20of%20Endless%20Punishment%20.htm
 

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