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Re: When Was Hell Created?
« Reply #25 on: February 09, 2011, 04:50:33 AM »
'Hell' was created, as 'hell' is commonly understood to be, very early on, but not by God! As a place of torment it has been a part of ancient Pagan (non-Hebrew) beliefs and reached its epiphany in Greece. But Israel acquainted "hellfire" with fiery (national) judgment. And Sheol, of course, the place of the dead, was the grave and the dust of - Isaiah 14:11; Genesis 3:19 (Philippians 2:10).

"Hell" is being without God. But that can't happen! God is Life. Every little drop of Life is God - Genesis 1:1 - so to be without God is to not be. Period. "And the last thing to be vanquished is death" - 1 Corinthians 15:26. (The opposite of Life, is non-life.)

Jude, in verse 7, said "the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.. is the example of eternal fire" - Jude 7. Is there flames and fire there now, where Sodom and Gomorrah once were? Rather it is mounds of dust and ashes. Revelation 19:3 speaks of destruction as a "smoke that rises forever and ever." It is an eternal lesson which is remembered forever and ever, and then some. The smoke (memory) of it will rise forever in our memory and psyche. We cannot walk away from God in any means or fashion, because God is both Life and Perfection. To turn from Him in any little thing is to cease to be. It's an eternal "note to self (a great gift) which says "CANNOT BE DONE".

But this journey and lesson of hell (death) and hellfire, this narrative of God is/was unavoidable, unless God is creating an ant farm and robots. But He's not. He's of course creating the absolutely best thing possible, because He is, after all, Perfection. So the 'end' result of all this can only be Perfect. Nothing else is possible.
- Is it written? no repentance after death? if resurrected still in ones sins (2nd Resurrection) will be weeping and wailing? Holy Days - Trumpets, Atonement, Tabernacles prophecy the three peaks of His long 2nd advent? Is weeping & wailing the beginning of the redemptive process?
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Re: When Was Hell Created?
« Reply #26 on: September 16, 2011, 02:56:34 AM »
If Hell actually existed, it would have been created in the Beginning when God  created the heavens and the Earth.

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Re: When Was Hell Created?
« Reply #27 on: September 16, 2011, 03:06:13 AM »
From Gary;

"If salvation is deliverance from Hell in which most of mankind will be tormented forever, according to the Bible, when in God's plan of creation did He create this place?"


To the Point.......Hell is a lie of  the mother Church ( organized religion )...  IMO

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Re: When Was Hell Created?
« Reply #28 on: September 16, 2011, 03:32:25 AM »
From Gary;

"If salvation is deliverance from Hell in which most of mankind will be tormented forever, according to the Bible, when in God's plan of creation did He create this place?"


To the Point.......Hell is a lie of  the mother Church ( organized religion )...  IMO

Very good IMO :thumbsup:
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Re: When Was Hell Created?
« Reply #29 on: January 11, 2012, 07:10:40 AM »
Hell was created in the late 1500s and early 1600s, mostly by the King James Translators. They took the Hades of the Greeks, mixed it with the Inferno of the Romans, took the name Hel from their own Norse and Danish forefathers and stamped it on the words "sheol" and "gehenna" (around 70 times) and published it in such a way as to continue to intimidate the uneducated and fearful common people with the threat of eternal torment should they get bold enough to seek God for the truth for the "good news".
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Re: When Was Hell Created?
« Reply #30 on: January 11, 2012, 08:31:30 PM »
From Gary;

"If salvation is deliverance from Hell in which most of mankind will be tormented forever, according to the Bible, when in God's plan of creation did He create this place?"


To the Point.......Hell is a lie of  the mother Church ( organized religion )...  IMO

Very good IMO :thumbsup:


The church did not invent it, but rather some men did, then fed the poison to the church. I think the church was ET free for a while
Maybe that's why purgatory has been invented to return back to the old thoughts, that evil men get punished, but are eventually restored.



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Re: When Was Hell Created?
« Reply #31 on: January 11, 2012, 10:32:24 PM »
There will be weeping there, and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but you yourselves thrown out. 29 People will come from east and west and north and south, and will take their places at the feast in the kingdom of God. 30 Indeed there are those who are last who will be first, and first who will be last."

Hell has been and gone.
Hell was a place from where one could, while weeping and gnashing there teeth
watch the start of the great feast.They would observe the seating arragments .
While weeping and gnasing there teeth they would be told to get to the back of the line.

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Re: When Was Hell Created?
« Reply #32 on: August 12, 2012, 03:55:29 PM »
When was darkness invented?  When was cold invented?  You don't have to create void...or absence of.   See I believe in "hell".  Worship of self as god is "hell" because it is void of relationship with God.  Living in a place of self worship is what I believe Jesus spoke about when he used the word Gehenna.  It's that void that causes a weeping a gnashing of teeth...depression and anxiety.  It's outside the gates...a trashed life...waste...hell.  But, I do not believe that to be the end, because the gates to the Holy city are always open...He won't lose one even if it takes ages upon ages.

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Re: When Was Hell Created?
« Reply #33 on: August 25, 2012, 05:45:57 AM »
Hell was created along with everything else . . . it 'DOES' exist, just not in the tradtions of men mentality.  Jesus stated IN THIS WORLD you will have TRIALS AND TRIBULATION . . .this world is hell.  The bad things happening to good people is hell.  The bad choices we make and others make is hell.  Earth is hell . . .but be of good cheer . . .in other words . . .don't let it become your identity or an emphasis.  I HAVE OVERCOME THE WORLD . . .

Hell came to fully manifest the day Adam was driven from the garden . . .but hell is not a permanent place.  It will be cleansed, purified, cast into the lake of fire.

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Re: When Was Hell Created?
« Reply #34 on: August 25, 2012, 07:43:45 AM »
Nathan! Where have you been? Nice to see you back brother!
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Re: When Was Hell Created?
« Reply #35 on: August 26, 2012, 07:55:02 AM »
I find things come in seasons . . .

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Re: When Was Hell Created?
« Reply #36 on: August 26, 2012, 08:10:43 AM »
What's the worst that can happen?

The answer to that question is related to mans' imagination.
The person with the greatest intellectual capacity,
 fueled by fear can tell you.
What hell is, where hell is, and when was hell created.

How fearful is hell, eternal torment?
It is as terrible as one can imagine.
You have to imagine hell because it does not exist in reality

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Re: When Was Hell Created?
« Reply #37 on: August 26, 2012, 09:56:40 AM »
The frustration comes when you "try" to explain to the general population of Christians that the hell that's been ingrained in them is man's "image" of hell.  They've got all the Scriptures that "appear" to support their ideas because that's what came straight from their pulpits.  No faith necessary, it's plain as day right there in the Bible!!  An "idea" was planted in their minds, then it was watered with an "interpretation" of the Scripture.  They "become" what they "behold" because they received a word from a man, not from the spirit of truth in them.  There's no revelation, only an understanding of what Scripture appears to be saying.  how many times have you seen their eyes glaze over at the very idea that hell  . . .the hell they believe in . . .doesn't exist?

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Re: When Was Hell Created?
« Reply #38 on: August 26, 2012, 12:58:37 PM »
The frustration comes when you "try" to explain to the general population of Christians that the hell that's been ingrained in them is man's "image" of hell.  They've got all the Scriptures that "appear" to support their ideas because that's what came straight from their pulpits.  No faith necessary, it's plain as day right there in the Bible!!  An "idea" was planted in their minds, then it was watered with an "interpretation" of the Scripture.  They "become" what they "behold" because they received a word from a man, not from the spirit of truth in them.  There's no revelation, only an understanding of what Scripture appears to be saying.  how many times have you seen their eyes glaze over at the very idea that hell  . . .the hell they believe in . . .doesn't exist?

Amen...and good to have you back.

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Re: When Was Hell Created?
« Reply #39 on: August 26, 2012, 02:11:34 PM »
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Re: When Was Hell Created?
« Reply #40 on: September 18, 2012, 07:34:22 PM »
MAN'S IMAGE OF HELL..........YEAH...WHEN SHADRACH MESHAK AND ABENDAGO REFUSED TO BOW TO BABYLON'S IMAGE OF

  GOLD SILVER BRONZE AND IRON..THEY WERE THREATENED WITH IT TOO..

   THAT FURNACE WAS A HELL OF THEIR OWN MAKING

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Re: When Was Hell Created?
« Reply #41 on: September 19, 2012, 05:39:32 AM »
H. O. G.

Head Of Gold

Bow Or Burn

B. O. B.

Babylon Or Bust



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Re: When Was Hell Created?
« Reply #42 on: September 19, 2012, 02:05:20 PM »
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

) land, earth

a) earth

1) whole earth (as opposed to a part)

2) earth (as opposed to heaven)

3) earth (inhabitants)

b) land

1) country, territory

2) district, region

3) tribal territory

4) piece of ground

5) land of Canaan, Israel

6) inhabitants of land

7) Sheol, land without return, (under) world

8) city (-state)

c) ground, surface of the earth

1) ground

2) soil



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Isa 30:33   For Tophet [is] ordained of old; yea, for the king it is prepared; he hath made [it] deep [and] large: the pile thereof [is] fire and much wood; the breath of the LORD, like a stream of brimstone, doth kindle it. 
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Re: When Was Hell Created?
« Reply #43 on: September 19, 2012, 04:43:51 PM »
Exodus 20;4  you shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or the earth below. you shall not bow down to them

  or worship them.

   when men of sin start making a false image of God in the heaven....it mars man in the image of God[serve what you bow down too]

    is baal the lord? is Molech? Ashtoreth?...the coming of Christ and the revealing of Christ..He of which you have seen one you have seen the other

   the Faithful and TRUE WITTNESS of the Father. to know God and to know the son is eternal life.

   all false imag3es[dead idols as misrepresentations of the one true God] shall be set on fire/consumed by the breath of His coming...the man of lawlessness...

  prophesied of in Jude[idol-image doctrines of liars]

  purifying by fire so that an acceptable offering can be unto God in righteousness[man in the image og Christ/God]

  and just as we have bore the corruptible image..so too..shall we all made over new into the incorruptible  image of the one true God and His son

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Re: When Was Hell Created?
« Reply #44 on: September 19, 2012, 07:36:43 PM »
I have heard on various Christian talk shows that
God would not send people to hell.
Rather that these certain people would hate
God and his loving Kindness so much that they don't
want to spend eternity with him.
 The fact that God would forgive everyone is anathema to them.

These people are now separated from God.
They do not know the Spirit of God.
These people worship the doctrine of hell
With-out hell these people have no reason to worship Jesus.

The doctrine of hell is the most blasphemous and
 grieves the Holy Spirit the most.

Praise the lord Jesus and his faith in God the Father.
The Holy Spirit is refreshing all the children who have come out from under
this satanic doctrine.

We are free now to love Jesus simply because he is the most lovely of all.


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Re: When Was Hell Created?
« Reply #45 on: September 19, 2012, 10:39:52 PM »
Beautifully said

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Re: When Was Hell Created?
« Reply #46 on: September 19, 2012, 10:44:19 PM »
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

Arthur Schopenhauer, German philosopher (1788 1860)
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: When Was Hell Created?
« Reply #47 on: September 19, 2012, 11:50:02 PM »
and thus....'how could I have not seen that..it was right in front of my face..I must have been blind!"

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Re: When Was Hell Created?
« Reply #48 on: September 20, 2012, 01:29:15 AM »
and thus....'how could I have not seen that..it was right in front of my face..I must have been blind!"

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Re: When Was Hell Created?
« Reply #49 on: September 20, 2012, 07:12:19 PM »
It such a beautiful circumstance to be in.
To be blind and then to be touched by the Spirit of God and now see.

Jesus promised this and much more the Comforter would do.

Tell us Sheila what do you now see.