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Re: I am not UR
« Reply #75 on: May 18, 2015, 04:51:55 PM »
 :cloud9: Only read the first page of this, so forgive me if I'm repeating, but UR is a denomination, but not the UR WE are talking about. There is a denomination of so-called "universalists", however, upon close examination of their beliefs you quickly find they are more interested in including everyone of every belief into some sort of "as long as they love me too they're included," type of inclusion of all things fleshly.

This site is dedicated to the belief that God will save all because He says He will, and discussing the "nuts and bolts" of just how that might be accomplished with the inclusion and right division of ALL scripture. My  :2c:....Blessings....

And PS. I'm not a Universalist either, but I do fully believe that all will be saved when all is said and done, by GOD.
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Re: I am not UR
« Reply #76 on: May 18, 2015, 04:54:30 PM »
I think none of us are worthy, but God has chosen some to be channels of truth to the world. I also think that we don't have to be too "wise...brave...strong...to endure it." I think we simply have to believe and be willing to share God's truth with those who need it. God chooses the "ignoble and contemptible things of the world...so that no flesh at all should be boasting in God's sight." I agree it could be frustrating to present the obvious truth to people only to be rejected especially if you do it more than once to some, but we have to remember that God chose some to have faith "before the disruption of the world" and will call them out of this world into the ecclesia, the body of Christ. I think we just need to be content to plant the seed, and let God make it grow. I know we want everybody to believe the truth when we get it because it is such a blessing, but I think God only wants some to be saved in grace through faith even though all will eventually be saved at the consummation of the eons. And I think there are many believers who just won't receive the revelation of universal reconciliation due to the intense programming of church doctrine, but they're still believers even though they don't understand the full scope of the evangel. So I'd say we should try not to get frustrated with the way things are going because God is "operating all in accord with the counsel of his will."

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Re: I am not UR
« Reply #77 on: May 18, 2015, 05:22:54 PM »
I think many folks new to the concept of universal reconciliation mistakenly assume it's all about the Unitarian Universalist denomination because that's the one that's happening now even though it's a result of a union of the Univeralist Church and the Unitarians in 1961 from what I've read.  Unfortunately that denomination has welcomed many philosophies that aren't Christian including even Wiccans. They do have subgroups that are exclusively Christian supposedly. I considered checking one out awhile back but decided not to because I'm really not interested in any kind of hierarchal church structure. I was only interested because I can relate to both their universalist and unitarian beliefs, but I'm not into passively accepting the philosophy that there are many ways to God because I believe Jesus Christ is the way and the truth and the life. So I figure, if that's what their main organization believes, it ain't for me. I'd also rather just fellowship with folks in a less formal environment such as in homes, on the street, in the park, or online. Here's a link to some info about the subject, but I'm not endorsing or necessarily even agreeing with all of it. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universalist_Church_of_America

If there was a denomination that actually was just straight up scripturally oriented about universal reconciliation without all the other nonsense in the Unitarian Universalist Church, I might check it out, but I've got to say that I've been an exchurcher for quite awhile. And I don't know of any such organization other than the ecclesia, the body of Christ, which is a global spiritual body independent of any worldly church organization. So I guess I'll just hang out here with the rest of you heretics.

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Re: I am not UR
« Reply #78 on: May 19, 2015, 02:15:13 AM »
 :cloud9: Exactly. There is one in Indy that has a "medium" who leads it. They are "anything goes" mentality, and the Word plainly states it DOESN'T. Blessings....
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Re: I am not UR
« Reply #79 on: May 19, 2015, 03:17:33 AM »
It's unfortunate that many think of Christian Universalism as Unitarian Universalism when the two are vastly different
The first is the Truth and is Scriptural we are only saved by the sacrifice of Jesus. He will draw all unto Himself. The other is unBiblical as in anything goes.
The Truth will set you free! 😃

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Re: I am not UR
« Reply #80 on: May 19, 2015, 03:26:05 AM »
Yeah, I think the two denominations that got together to form the Unitarian Universalists both had some good ideas back then, but somehow somebody along the way convinced them they needed to include every kind of crazy idea there is out there. And now it's just gotten to be regular old polytheism.

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Re: I am not UR
« Reply #81 on: May 19, 2015, 03:56:22 AM »
caffus, card, tom   :2thumbs:

absolutely on unitarians..believe anything - or nothing. and be fully accepted in the fellowship, including "ministry". 

Gary added 'not UUA' to the link tab of the site, which i appreciate.   :thumbsup: 

Someone used to post here who attended a UUA "church", and signed off with "Don't Forget Love".  Well, I'd add "Don't forget the truth, including and especially the cross".   :2c:
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Re: I am not UR
« Reply #82 on: May 19, 2015, 04:02:20 AM »
Yes, of course we should be loving to everyone, but never deny the Truth we all will and must come to God through Christ.
The Truth will set you free! 😃

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Re: I am not UR
« Reply #83 on: May 19, 2015, 04:21:01 AM »
amen
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Re: I am not UR
« Reply #84 on: May 19, 2015, 06:35:20 AM »
Some of the early Christian Universalist ministers were really very "right on" and glorified Jesus Christ as Lord and validated the scriptures(mid to late 1800's). There had to have been quite "fall" among them to arrive at what the UUA is today, and that fall must have taken place over the 100 years before their merger with the American Unitarian Association in 1966. I believe that is one of the reasons why we have to maintain the standard between these two views clearly and emphaticly. Jesus Christ is Creator and Lord of the Universe and every "salvation" will be through submission to the deliverance that is in His name as the only begotten son of God.
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