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Offline Jock

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What is the lake of fire
« on: May 02, 2013, 04:51:58 PM »
I have trouble envisioning the lake of fire. Is it the second death ? Does God kill people in it only to raise them again?

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Re: What is the lake of fire
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Offline FineLinen

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Re: What is the lake of fire
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2013, 05:40:18 PM »
Quote from: Jock on May 02, 2013, 04:51:58 PM
I have trouble envisioning the lake of fire. Is it the second death ? Does God kill people in it only to raise them again?

Jock

Jock, try to envision the Pi ratio flowing to over 200 billion digits from the decimal point, and still counting. And then try to envision the Creator of Pi who we read is "verily a God who hides himself", and you will begin to grasp the magnitude of the answer to your questions.

The Lake of Fire & Brimstone

The Lake of Fire and Brimstone signifies a fire burning with brimstone; the word "brimstone" or sulfur defines the character of the fire.

The word theion translated as "brimstone" is exactly the same word theion which means "divine." Sulfur was sacred to the ancient Greeks; and was used to fumigate, to purify, and to cleanse and to consecrate to the deity; for this purpose they burned it in their incense. In Homer's Iliad (16:228) one is spoken of as purifying a goblet with fire and brimstone. The verb derived from theion is theioo, which means to hallow, to make divine, or to dedicate to a god. (See Liddell & Scott Greek- English Lexicon, 1897 Edition)

Both theion and theioo are rooted firmly in Theos.

To any Greek, or to any trained in the Greek language, a "lake of fire and brimstone" would mean a "lake of divine purification." The idea of judgment need not be excluded (see chapter 10 on the judgments of God). Divine purification and divine consecration are the plain meaning of the ancient Greek. In the ordinary explanation, this fundamental meaning of the word is entirely left out.

Rev. Charles H. Pridgeon M.A.

President & Founder of the Pittsburg Bible Institute

"But at length, O God, wilt thou not cast Death and Hell into the lake of Fire—even into thine own consuming self? Death shall then die everlastingly, And Hell itself will pass away, And leave her dolorous mansions to the peering day." -George MacDonald-
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In the Christian story God descends to reascend. He comes down;.... down to the very roots and sea-bed of the Nature He has created. But He goes down to come up again and bring the whole ruined world up with Him. -C.S. Lewis

Offline Lazarus Short

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Re: What is the lake of fire
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2013, 05:42:00 PM »
Seeing the Lake of Fire as a tool of Annihilation is easy.  However, given the many verses in the Bible which describe God as a "refining fire,"  we see the LoF as an agent of purification, not of destruction.  The Lake of Fire is there to burn away our "wood, hay, and stubble," leaving the silver and gold, if we have any.  It is the Second Death, but we know now, don't we, that death is temporal, and will end when Death itself is thrown into the Lake of Fire, all those thrown in will come out?  I admit that the Eternal Destruction crowd will say, "How can the LoF be for the destruction of Death and Hell, but not for the wicked who have been thrown in too?"  In the end, we must look to God's intent and His Plan.
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Socrates taught Plato.  Plato taught Aristotle.  Aristotle tutored the son of Philip of Macedon.  This boy grew up to become Alexander the Great, largely by slaughtering a lot of people.  That's philosophy.

Jesus spoke the Truth.  He blessed the poor.  He healed the sick.  He even raised the dead.  He died on a cross for us, lived again, and came back long enough to tell us to love one another.  That's religion.

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Re: What is the lake of fire
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2013, 06:02:39 PM »
Thanks Lazarus, that was nice and clear.

Finelinen, your post was encouraging and educational although at some points, a little over my head

Thanks guys  :Peace2:
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Re: What is the lake of fire
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2013, 09:01:57 PM »
I don't think the lake of fire is a literal fire. The fire is to burn out all of man's works that are not profitable as it says in (1Cor. 3:13-15). In verse 15 it says "if any man's work shall be burned". So we see that it is works that will be burned not the person.  In (Rev.21:8) it speaks about the "fearful, unbelieving, abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, liars, and so forth shall have their part in the lake of fire which is the second death." Again it is not the person who will be hurt in the fire but all of these things.
When all of these things are destroyed it will be the death of sin. Remember what Paul said, if we are dead in Christ then we have died to sin.

Just the way I understand it.

CHB
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Re: What is the lake of fire
« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2013, 05:07:27 PM »
Quote from: CHB on May 02, 2013, 09:01:57 PM
I don't think the lake of fire is a literal fire. The fire is to burn out all of man's works that are not profitable as it says in (1Cor. 3:13-15). In verse 15 it says "if any man's work shall be burned". So we see that it is works that will be burned not the person.  In (Rev.21:8) it speaks about the "fearful, unbelieving, abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, liars, and so forth shall have their part in the lake of fire which is the second death." Again it is not the person who will be hurt in the fire but all of these things.
When all of these things are destroyed it will be the death of sin. Remember what Paul said, if we are dead in Christ then we have died to sin.

Just the way I understand it.

CHB
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Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

Offline Jock

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Re: What is the lake of fire
« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2013, 07:13:05 PM »
I think a lot of Christians get confused, perhaps thinking that the Lake of Fire, is Hell.


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Re: What is the lake of fire
« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2013, 07:21:08 PM »
Quote from: Jock on May 04, 2013, 07:13:05 PM
I think a lot of Christians get confused, perhaps thinking that the Lake of Fire, is Hell.


Jock
One hundred points to you!! The fact that most Christians get important issues like this wrong is why they are so far off track. If Christians would just subtract all things pagan from what they believe and practice we could get back on track. LoF being also hell is an absurd and conflicting doctrine.
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Re: What is the lake of fire
« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2013, 08:09:38 PM »

Right, the problem is that they are taught this by men/women who either want to control them or don't know the difference themselves! A lot of Christians don't read the Bible much or think critically.
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Offline mplsfitter539

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Re: What is the lake of fire
« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2013, 09:48:57 PM »
I have to agree most people in general do not use their critical thinking skills especially when it comes to faith. I know many people who proclaim to be Christians and yet refuse to apply critical thinking to all of the garbage that is believed and practiced by them. Religion gets in the way of the Holy Spirit working in people.
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