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I am not UR
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Just to let it be known, I, me, personally am not of the UR denomination. I have found out that all sects and denominations have their set guidelines, UR is no different. I like this forum. I learn on this forum. I just have no need or want to adjust to another denomination/sect.
This is a sound Word, and on this foundation is what I find a Truth….1Ti 2:3  for this is right and acceptable before God our Saviour, 1Ti 2:4  who doth will all men to be saved, and to come to the full knowledge of the truth; 
as with Gal 2:19  for I through law, did die, that to God I may live; Gal 2:20  with Christ I have been crucified, and live no more do I, and Christ doth live in me; and that which I now live in the flesh--in the faith I live of the Son of God, who did love me and did give himself for me; Gal 2:21  I do not make void the grace of God, for if righteousness be through law--then Christ died in vain.
Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

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« Reply #1 on: Today at 06:08:47 AM »
"We" are not a denomination, and I thought by being here I was free from all that.  I will still enjoy your posts.  :friendstu:
Socrates taught Plato.  Plato taught Aristotle.  Aristotle tutored the son of Philip of Macedon.  This boy grew up to become Alexander the Great, largely by slaughtering a lot of people.  That's philosophy.

Jesus spoke the Truth.  He blessed the poor.  He healed the sick.  He even raised the dead.  He died on a cross for us, lived again, and came back long enough to tell us to love one another.  That's religion.

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« Reply #2 on: Today at 06:09:54 AM »
Just to let it be known, I, me, personally am not of the UR denomination. I have found out that all sects and denominations have their set guidelines, UR is no different. I like this forum. I learn on this forum. I just have no need or want to adjust to another denomination/sect.
This is a sound Word, and on this foundation is what I find a Truth….1Ti 2:3  for this is right and acceptable before God our Saviour, 1Ti 2:4  who doth will all men to be saved, and to come to the full knowledge of the truth; 
as with Gal 2:19  for I through law, did die, that to God I may live; Gal 2:20  with Christ I have been crucified, and live no more do I, and Christ doth live in me; and that which I now live in the flesh--in the faith I live of the Son of God, who did love me and did give himself for me; Gal 2:21  I do not make void the grace of God, for if righteousness be through law--then Christ died in vain.

Are you more for ET or Annihilation?

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« Reply #3 on: Today at 06:10:43 AM »
Is there a UR denomination? Really?
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« Reply #4 on: Today at 06:19:02 AM »
Please! Your belief has a name "UR." When it's named it is. :laugh:
""We" are not a denomination, and I thought by being here I was free from all that.  I will still enjoy your posts.  :friendstu:"
I do not believe you are, I really do enjoy your posts as well :friendstu:

"Are you more for ET or Annihilation?" How can I answer a question like that? No, why should I answer a question like that?
Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

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« Reply #5 on: Today at 07:06:58 AM »

Laz:  "We" are not a denomination, and I thought by being here I was free from all that.  I will still enjoy your posts. 

Micah:  I do not believe you are...

Do you mean you don't think I'm free of denominationalism?  Do you think we are all in lockstep here?  I note that many things are discussed here besides Universal Reconciliation.  I dunno, maybe I have missed some things in your many posts.

Socrates taught Plato.  Plato taught Aristotle.  Aristotle tutored the son of Philip of Macedon.  This boy grew up to become Alexander the Great, largely by slaughtering a lot of people.  That's philosophy.

Jesus spoke the Truth.  He blessed the poor.  He healed the sick.  He even raised the dead.  He died on a cross for us, lived again, and came back long enough to tell us to love one another.  That's religion.

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« Reply #6 on: Today at 08:37:17 AM »
I am bumfuzzled  :Chinscratch:
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Re: I am not UR
« Reply #7 on: Today at 09:03:53 AM »
"We" are not a denomination, and I thought by being here I was free from all that.  I will still enjoy your posts.  :friendstu:
My aim is is to become part of a denomination/sect that teaches the complete and total truth....
What Jesus believes/does was/is also a sect.
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: I am not UR
« Reply #8 on: Today at 12:16:56 PM »
Is there a UR denomination? Really?
Of course. Any denomination you belong to is ur denomination, especially if you come from the south.  :laughing7:

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« Reply #9 on: Today at 03:10:28 PM »
Just to let it be known, I, me, personally am not of the UR denomination. I have found out that all sects and denominations have their set guidelines, UR is no different. I like this forum. I learn on this forum. I just have no need or want to adjust to another denomination/sect.
This is a sound Word, and on this foundation is what I find a Truth….1Ti 2:3  for this is right and acceptable before God our Saviour, 1Ti 2:4  who doth will all men to be saved, and to come to the full knowledge of the truth; 
as with Gal 2:19  for I through law, did die, that to God I may live; Gal 2:20  with Christ I have been crucified, and live no more do I, and Christ doth live in me; and that which I now live in the flesh--in the faith I live of the Son of God, who did love me and did give himself for me; Gal 2:21  I do not make void the grace of God, for if righteousness be through law--then Christ died in vain.

The Universalist Church of America was a Christian Universalist religious denomination in the United States that consolidated with the American Unitarian Association to form the Unitarian Universalist Association, but they are no longer exclusively Christian. There are Christian fellowships within that denomination though. When I've looked online for local like minded folks to fellowship with, the closest thing I've found to what I believe is a Unitarian Universalist Christian Fellowship in another town, but folks who believe in universal reconciliation can be in any denomination. I used to be a Catholic when I was a kid, and I know there are folks in that church who don't follow all the rules from Rome especially when it comes to birth control. I tried some Protestant churches, but these days I don't go to church because I think scripture is sufficient. I think some folks belong to churches because they were either raised in them or their churches provide a source of socializing and moral stability for them, but that doesn't mean they're committed to everything that denomination stands for. I belong to no church or denomination. I believe universal reconciliation because it is the truth in scripture.

"through Him to reconcile all to Him (making peace through the blood of His cross), through Him, whether those on the earth or those in the heavens" (Colossians 1:20)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universalist_Church_of_America

http://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/univart.html

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Re: I am not UR
« Reply #10 on: Today at 03:22:39 PM »
Just to let it be known, I, me, personally am not of the UR denomination. I have found out that all sects and denominations have their set guidelines, UR is no different. I like this forum. I learn on this forum. I just have no need or want to adjust to another denomination/sect.
This is a sound Word, and on this foundation is what I find a Truth….1Ti 2:3  for this is right and acceptable before God our Saviour, 1Ti 2:4  who doth will all men to be saved, and to come to the full knowledge of the truth; 
as with Gal 2:19  for I through law, did die, that to God I may live; Gal 2:20  with Christ I have been crucified, and live no more do I, and Christ doth live in me; and that which I now live in the flesh--in the faith I live of the Son of God, who did love me and did give himself for me; Gal 2:21  I do not make void the grace of God, for if righteousness be through law--then Christ died in vain.

Great post.

I know sectarianism when I see it.  Sectarianism is based on a doctrine or a group of doctrines.  UR is a doctrine.

I do not mind being labeled a sectarian for a doctrinal stance on UR.

A good word study is "sect"........comes from the word Hairesis............used 9 times in the NT.
 1 Corinthians 11
19 For there must be also heresies(sects) among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

Paul said there MUST be heresies........they have to exist..........they help us differentiate between right and wrong.

ET= God only saves a few and tortures the rest.
ED=God only saves a few and annihilates the rest.
UR=God saves all through Jesus Christ, the savior of the world.

You must choose.

Or not, lots of people never know that they can pick and choose what doctrines they want to believe.  It is the privilege of gaining knowledge.




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Re: I am not UR
« Reply #11 on: Today at 05:39:26 PM »
I don't perceive believing in universal reconciliation as a denomination or a sect because I think it is just a fuller understanding of what Christ accomplished on the cross that is not taught to church folks because it doesn't conform to church doctrine of torture in fire forever, but it is clearly stated in scripture. So it is the doctrine of scripture not of a sect. That's why I believe it. I don't believe any of the creeds of the church. Scripture is the only creed I need.

"through Him to reconcile all to Him (making peace through the blood of His cross), through Him, whether those on the earth or those in the heavens" (Colossians 1:20) 

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« Reply #12 on: Today at 05:56:00 PM »
I am bumfuzzled  :Chinscratch:

But the question is, are you a pre-bamfuzzled or a post-bamfuzzled? I don't associate with the pre-bamfuzzled. That's heresy.

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« Reply #13 on: Today at 06:30:09 PM »
..what did i hear the other day that related to this..?  :Chinscratch: if we become unyielding in a belief we stop the flow of the Holy Spirit to reveal all truth.. something like that..

Of course, as far as UR itself, I think most here are pretty unyielding in that belief, because we are convinced God has revealed it to us and we believe it's what his word says.. perhaps it's a fine line..

Oh, I remember! It was about the Book of Revelation, John Crowder (Chowder?) on one of his youtube videos mentioned many folks are too rigid in their interpretation of it, which i'd have to agree, and it becomes therefor eschatological doctrine, and there really is no interpretation, but I thought, that also can become a too rigid eschatological doctrine! :laughing7:
- Is it written? no repentance after death? if resurrected still in ones sins (2nd Resurrection) will be weeping and wailing? Holy Days - Trumpets, Atonement, Tabernacles prophecy the three peaks of His long 2nd advent? Is weeping & wailing the beginning of the redemptive process?
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- "...aLL things new" Rev21:5 "A new heavens and a new earth" Rev 21:1 - Is 11:7 Micah 4:4 Is 30:25
http://www.bubblews.com/news/9080033 -revelation told in rhyme - 45 days

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       GOD BLESSINGS
 
 
    I  believe   in the same manner   Gods plan   for all to be saved is real     


 But I certainly understand  Bro Micah    here and am also    believing   there is only one way to worship   GOD   and that is in Spirit and truth     , the Father is seeking  theses types    now and has since the SHEPHERD    WAS STRUCK        scattering the   lost  sheep to their own places
 
 IF   we Believe      this Word of God as truth         we know  there is ONE GOD  and Jesus Christ  whom will be gathered into HIM ONLY         , HE who does not gather with me  scatters abroad           , those are the robber and thieves        that have their own agenda and   teachings     
and there is ONE JESUS CHRIST    and no divisions in ChristHoly City set on a Hill /ruler Him     the Head authority      ,   but a  thousand divisions      outside of Christ   and in the world
 
  The SPIRIT OF PROPHECY        and it is the testimony of Jesus Christ          says its so         we find in   the old testimony of God  in ZECH     13
  AND IN THE NEW MATTHEW   26:31
 The Shepherd Is Killed
7 "·Sword, hit the [ Awake, Sword, against my] shepherd.
    ·Attack [ …against] the man who is my ·friend [associate],"
    says the Lord ·All-Powerful [Almighty; of Heaven's Armies; T of hosts].
"·Kill [Strike] the shepherd,
    and the sheep will scatter [Matt. 26:31; Mark 14:27],
    and I will ·punish [L turn my hand against] the little ones."
8 The Lord says, "Two-thirds of the people
    through all the land will die. They will be ·gone [struck down; L cut off],
    and one-third will be left.
9 The third that is left I will ·test with [L bring into the] fire,
    ·purifying [refining] them like silver,
    testing them like gold.
Then they will call on ·me [my name],
    and I will answer them.
I will say, 'These are my people,'
    and they will say, 'The Lord is our God.'"

 31 Jesus told ·his followers [ them], "Tonight you will all ·stumble in your faith [fall away; desert] on account of me, because it is written in the Scriptures:
MATT 26
'I will ·kill [strike] the shepherd,
and the sheep [L of the flock] will ·scatter [be scattered]' [Zech. 13:7].
32 But after ·I rise from the dead [ I am raised], I will go ahead of you into Galilee."
 
 IF   you ever done a study of Galilee   

. Galilee."circuit "  I recommend it     highly            , we will meet the Lord Jesus Christ in that place   , every   lost sheep  will be found by the Lord our Shepherd     there    if we obey and   wait upon the Lord there for Him

 its a beautiful     meaning spiritually speaking        all power of God is through our Lord Jesus Christ           His name  has power    there is no name under heaven by which you must be saved        and the   Holy Spirit  will teach you all things concerning Him   
 
 this is where we give up on the earthly Messiah and kingdom of our own making    and Gods good pleasure concerning   His plan   is what is best for all      ,    its means to roll   , everything you believed   in is rolled up like a scroll    etc ..  so much    to consider , we go from the earthy  into the heavenly      KINGDOM of GOD
 
 
  Galilee
The name Galilee comes from a Greek variation of the Hebrew name Galil, and that name is identical to one adjective and one noun גליל (galil) that were derived of the verb גלל (galal), meaning to roll:

Abarim Publications Theological Dictionary
גלל  גיל
None of the consulted sources mentions anything about a relation between the roots גלל (galal) and גיל (gil), but their forms are quite obviously related and their meanings are similar as well:
גלל I
The verb גלל (galal I) is all about rolling; it means to roll some object on, upon or away. In a figurative sense it is used in ideas like to whirl or dazzle and even to roll oneself onto the Lord, meaning to put one's trust in Him (Psalm 22:8) or to commit oneself to Him (Psalm 37:5, Proverbs 16:3). When this verb is used for physically rolling something away or somewhere else, the object is usually stones (Genesis 29:3, Joshua 10:18).
This root-verb's enormous array of derivations:
The masculine noun גל (gal), meaning heap or pile (Joshua 7:26), a heap of ruins (Isaiah 25:2), or, in case of water: wave or billow (Jeremiah 5:22).
The masculine noun גיל (gel), meaning dung (Job 20:7, Ezekiel 4:12).
The feminine noun גלה (gulla), meaning bowl, basin or spring (Joshua 15:19, Zechariah 4:2). Note that this noun is spelled the same as the verb גלה (gala).
The masculine noun גלל (galal), meaning dung (1 Kings 14:10).
The adjective גליל (galil), meaning a turning or folding (1 Kings 6:34).
That same word used as masculine noun: גליל (galil), meaning cylinder or rod (Esther 1:6), or circuit or district (Isaiah 8:23).
The previous noun made feminine: גלילה (gelila), meaning circuit, boundary or territory (Joshua 4:4, Ezekiel 47:8).
The noun גלול (gillul), meaning idols (Ezekiel 22:3, 1 Kings 15:12). This word occurs only in plural. Scholars can't decide whether this noun came from the idols shapes (round/curvy?) or whether they were considered "dung-things" or crap, so to speak.
The masculine noun גלגל (galgal), meaning wheel (Isaiah 5:28) or whirlwind (Psalm 77:18).
The masculine noun גלגל (gilgal), meaning wheel (Isaiah 28:28 only).
The feminine noun גלגלת (gulgoleth), meaning skull or head. Note that the noun פנימ (panim), meaning face, comes from the verb פנה (pana), meaning to turn. Also note that in Biblical times the head did not hold the same regard as it does to us today. To us the image of a skull represents death or danger, but that symbolism is not Biblical. In Biblical times, the head was also not regarded as the seat of the mind or the intellect, but rather as the most public part of the body, comparable with the door of a house or city. The head was seen as the seat of individual personality, or rather a person's public profile. It was the part of a person with which that person engaged others and the world around him. One consumed food via the head, listened to others, spoke to others and viewed others, but the head was not seen as a repository or reservoir of anything. Our word occurs a mere 13 times in the Bible, half of which in the context of literally a head- (skull-) count (Exodus 38:26, Numbers 1:2, 1 Chronicles 23:13). In Exodus 16:16, the Israelites are commanded to gather one omer of manna per "skull" (something similar occurs in Exodus 38:26 and Numbers 3:47). In Judges 9:53, a certain woman drops a mill stone on Abimelech's head, thus crushing his skull and with it his personhood, in 2 Kings 9:35 we find what's left of Jezebel after the dogs are done with her: her hands and feet and her skull, and in 1 Chronicles 10:10 Saul's skull ends up in the temple of Dagon. Note that all gospels emphasize that Jesus died on Golgotha (or Calgary in Luke, which means the same), which is obviously highly significant when one realizes that the name Golgotha comes from our word גלגלת (gulgoleth), and what that word meant to the gospel's audience.
The feminine noun מגלה (megilla), meaning scroll (Jeremiah 36:28, Ezekiel 3:1).
גלל II
There's a second root-verb גלל (galal), which doesn't occur in the Bible, but in cognate languages it means to be great in rank. Its sole derivative is the masculine noun גלל (galal), meaning account. This word only occurs in conjunction with the preposition ב (be), meaning in, to form the meaning of "on account of" (Genesis 39:5, Jeremiah 11:17).
גיל
The root-verb גיל (gil) yields words that have to do with a circular motion, usually expressing joy or celebration (Isaiah 65:19; Ps 21:1). It "most often refers to rejoicing at God's works or attributes," says HAW Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament.
The derivations of this verb are:
The masculine noun גיל (gil), meaning rejoicing (Psalm 45:16, Isaiah 16:10).
The feminine noun גילה (gila), also meaning rejoicing (Isaiah 65:18).
The masculine noun גיל (gil), meaning a circle or age. The phrase בן גילו (ben gilu) literally means 'son of circle' and denotes someone born at the same time, contemporary.
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I always think it's funny to do so because I think the church is guilty of what it's accusing me, but I gladly admit that I'm a heretic. I refuse to conform to church doctrine because the church does not conform to the word of God. I think the first believers who were Jewish, and their proselytes, were considered to be a sect of Judaism, but, even though the Lord taught Peter a valuable lesson with a vision and the conversion of Cornelius, I think there was an important reason why Paul was converted outside Israel and separated by the holy spirit to evangelize the nations. I don't think Jesus came to establish a new "religion" though. I think he came to speak the truth and to die for the sins of the whole world. I also think his resurrection is the evidence of God's power to overcome death which is the clue to what the ultimate plan is. I am concerned with the Hebrew scriptures mostly as a historical reference for the "Christian faith" even though that is a loaded phrase since Rome corrupted it. I think what has become "Christianity," which I tend to call the church, is just the tradition of man based on intentional mistranslation of scripture thereby invalidating the word of God just as the Lord told the Pharisees and scribes they did, and it was all developed as such by the Roman Empire for the purpose of political expediency. That's why I say the church is the world religious organization that is distinct from the body of Christ. Despite the fact that I believe Jesus Christ is the word of God, the image of God, and the only-begotten son of God, I don't think I'm a member of a Jewish sect just because Yeshua HaMashiach is the yet to be realized Jewish Messiah or a member of a Christian sect just because I happen to believe scripture that his sacrifice on the cross is the means through which all on earth and in the heavens will be reconciled with God. I simply consider myself to be an unaffiliated, nondenominational, nonsectarian believer of the evangel of God given to us in the inspired written word of God. Besides believing in universal reconciliation, there are other categories that you might try to squeeze me into, but I think the only one I would maybe be comfortable with is Bible believing. I say maybe because that depends on what Bible. If you want to say I'm in a Jewish sect because the early Jewish believers were considered to be such, I'd have to say that I've never considered myself to be Jewish by birth or conversion. If you want to say I'm sectarian because the church considers me to be a heretic, then I'd have to say those are the same crazy folks who tell me I'm going to be tortured in fire forever for not agreeing with them, and I say that's wacko. So you can call me what you want according to how you see me, but that doesn't really make me what you think I am. I think I'm just a guy who believes God is the savior of all mankind, and all on earth and in the heavens will eventually be reconciled with God through Christ's blood on the cross, simply because that is what the word of God says.