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Demonic Attacks
« on: March 12, 2015, 08:14:43 PM »
I have had a few demonic attacks in my life the latest one was in the form of sleep paralysis. I was an atheist and i had no idea what to pray or how to do it. So i started looking into religion via the internet and found Jesus. The attacks tapered off and i credit it to my repenting and it gave me validity that Jesus actually forgave my sins. The demon seemed it couldn't attack me anymore and it seemed to run out of ammo to use against me. Then that demon left i actually heard a door creek open and slam after i woke up from an attack. But then a second one came to me and i think tried to make a deal with me. In the dream this demon asked for $1 bill so i handed him one. He took it and did a magic trick in the palm of my hand and turned the dollar into a pile of silver coins and diamonds that were arranged in a way that looked like a city. I instantly woke up and seen a demonic symbol in my vision and i blinked 3 times and every time i blinked the symbol changed and it did this 3 times. (mocking the trinity?)


My concern about UR is why do demons harass us and try to drag us down if there is no eternal torment? I thought that they wanted humans in "hell" with them and would do anything to bring us down. So if UR is real there is no purpose or end goal in what they do because we all go to heaven anyways. And when people talk about binding demons and sending them to the Abyss what is the Abyss and are only demons sent there? 
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« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2015, 09:03:37 PM »
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My concern about UR is why do demons harass us and try to drag us down if there is no eternal torment? I thought that they wanted humans in "hell" with them and would do anything to bring us down. So if UR is real there is no purpose or end goal in what they do because we all go to heaven anyways.

Consider this passage:

2 Tim 1
19holding on to faith and a good conscience, which some have rejected and so have suffered shipwreck with regard to the faith. 20Among them are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have handed over to Satan to be taught not to blaspheme.


Being turned over to Satan has learning power. Imagine that. It doesn't mean that Satan is good, or that he means to teach righteousness. But the negative experiences that Hymenaeus and Alexander had or will experience under Satan's grip will certainly teach them a lesson about blaspheming.

Things that seem negative can help us learn. That doesn't speak to EVERY situation, but I am just bringing it up as an example that there is a use for evil in the world.

Take a look at Romans 1. You can actually see God using sin to teach the sinner a lesson about sin.


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And when people talk about binding demons and sending them to the Abyss what is the Abyss and are only demons sent there?

The term "abyss" is I think a reference to Revelation. I do not believe that is speaking literally. We see a reference there about insects with human faces that have stingers. Certainly a scary image, but just consider that these images may have metaphorical meaning. I believe they do. I believe that the abyss represents the state man in sin who is lost in darkness (a low place), not an actual physical location. It's another way of looking at things.

Much mythology about Hell is the product of Christians taking verses from prophecy or parables and creating a whole theology without validating it with more plain scriptures such as the Apostles wrote. None of the apostles warned about a literal abyss. You would think that would come up in Romans or any of the other books, but it never does. That seems like a big item to leave out, doesn't it?
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« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2015, 10:09:32 PM »
The demons purpose and goals should be the opposite of yours.

My goal is to love the Lord and love my neighbor.

The demons are not trying to drag me down to hell.
They have attempted to try and stop me from reaching my goal.

Love the lord and let Jesus love you and pass that love to your neighbour.
Love is the power of God. Fear is the power of demons.
Love casts out all fear.

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« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2015, 11:21:11 PM »
The demons purpose and goals should be the opposite of yours.

My goal is to love the Lord and love my neighbor.

The demons are not trying to drag me down to hell.
They have attempted to try and stop me from reaching my goal.

Love the lord and let Jesus love you and pass that love to your neighbour.
Love is the power of God. Fear is the power of demons.
Love casts out all fear.
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« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2015, 11:21:59 PM »
2Co 10:3  for walking in the flesh, not according to the flesh do we war,
2Co 10:4  for the weapons of our warfare are not fleshly, but powerful to God for bringing down of strongholds,
2Co 10:5  reasonings bringing down, and every high thing lifted up against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of the Christ,
2Co 10:6  and being in readiness to avenge every disobedience, whenever your obedience may be fulfilled.
Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

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« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2015, 11:37:20 PM »
What does UR think will happen to demons in the end? I have read that some think even they will be Reconciled and others say they will be sent to eternal torment or annihilated (along with some truly wicked humans). I have never felt so much love and compassion for people until i started reading and stressing about eternal torment. I dont want my worst enemies to be eternally tortured and tormented. But demons.... well as wicked as they are i really would not care if they ended up there. So whats the common view of what happens to them?

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« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2015, 11:57:50 PM »
Isa 45:23  By Myself I have sworn, Gone out from my mouth in righteousness hath a word, And it turneth not back, That to Me, bow doth every knee, every tongue swear.
Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

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« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2015, 12:35:30 AM »
 1 Cor 15:25 For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy that will be abolished is death. 27 For He has put all things in subjection under His feet. But when He says, "All things are put in subjection," it is evident that He is excepted who put all things in subjection to Him. 28 When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that God may be all in all.

Phil 2:9 For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Eph 1:9 having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself, 10 that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth—in Him.

Eph 3:9 and to make all see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things through Jesus Christ;10 to the intent that now the manifold wisdom of God might be made known by the church to the principalities and powers in the heavenly places, 11 according to the eternal purpose(stated in Eph 1:9-11) which He accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Agreeing with Micah, and providing a few more scriptures that give a panoramic view.
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« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2015, 02:30:52 AM »
We believe the wickedness within the wicked will be destroyed once and for all when the time is right. Lord Jesus will make all things new in due time and the wickedness will be no more.

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« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2015, 03:16:11 AM »
Hell is simply the unseen state of the dead not eternal torture with fire. You don't need to fear demons or any other evil messengers because the holy spirit of God overcomes them. Read the word of God, and you will be inspired with the spirit of God. Right now the evil messengers are working overtime on you testing your belief because you just decided to start believing. It's like you're kicking a dope habit, in your case atheism, and Satan's messengers are doing everything they can to try to get you back. Just hang on, and keep believing. Evil messengers work by deception because it is the most effective method of operation. If you fill your head with the word of God, there won't be any room for the lies of Satan. You need to start meditating on the word of God everyday. I mean get a good translation and read it. Don't get hung up on the Old Testament. Try reading Paul's epistles because they are all about the grace of God. Paul was the worst of sinners who killed believers before he saw the light. God's love will change your fears into peace of mind and confidence in the grace of God. Don't worry about what you've done in the past. Just believe in the saving grace of God. The spirit of God is real power that overcomes whatever evil is messing with you. You're being tested. Just keep the faith.

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« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2015, 05:51:22 AM »
I have had a few demonic attacks in my life the latest one was in the form of sleep paralysis. I was an atheist and i had no idea what to pray or how to do it. So i started looking into religion via the internet and found Jesus. The attacks tapered off and i credit it to my repenting and it gave me validity that Jesus actually forgave my sins. The demon seemed it couldn't attack me anymore and it seemed to run out of ammo to use against me. Then that demon left i actually heard a door creek open and slam after i woke up from an attack. But then a second one came to me and i think tried to make a deal with me. In the dream this demon asked for $1 bill so i handed him one. He took it and did a magic trick in the palm of my hand and turned the dollar into a pile of silver coins and diamonds that were arranged in a way that looked like a city. I instantly woke up and seen a demonic symbol in my vision and i blinked 3 times and every time i blinked the symbol changed and it did this 3 times. (mocking the trinity?)


My concern about UR is why do demons harass us and try to drag us down if there is no eternal torment? I thought that they wanted humans in "hell" with them and would do anything to bring us down. So if UR is real there is no purpose or end goal in what they do because we all go to heaven anyways. And when people talk about binding demons and sending them to the Abyss what is the Abyss and are only demons sent there?


The abyss, I believe is darkness and a bottomless pit.. referring to how far down a creature (human or angel) can potentially go, is a bottomless pit..

The Bible says the Lake of Fire was "made for the devil and his angels".. And I believe it's at the end of judgment day that any persons (still) not believing, after having been resurrected and then witnessing judgment day which I believe will be a very long day (an age of 500 years, represented by the ancient Fall Holy days)...

There really is no verses about Satan ruling as a king in 'hell' getting to toast humans (and stab them with his pitchfork)..

This life, or life as we presently know it, i believe is an unavoidable journey and lesson (if there's to be thinking ability that is, which includes being able to make choices, even if limited in scope). God is letting things run their natural course. Mankind builds his empires on sand, and when the world becomes one (again) and one empire, basically, the final fall (and all human history) will reveal truth from untruth and good from evil. We are simply learning good from evil, which is also life from death/nonlife.

All in heaven and earth, I believe, are learning the utter futility of wandering away from God who IS life.. (an Perfection). He is, imo, creating guaranteed joy.. Not an ant farm or robots but His own family, and an un-breakable paradise/perfection, for all in heaven and earth will have His law/true and deep abiding LOVE and purity/perfection deeply engraved upon their heart, mind and psyche. Deeply engraved, because the best teacher is experience. And there's also the long day of review (judgment) to really drive the message home even more..

We have authority to, at any time and all times, to calmly tell all demons to go away and leave us alone, "in the name of Jesus".. for "Jesus is Lord" and "He has cut the cords of the wicked"! "Peace, be still, in the name of Jesus." The shield of faith, stops every arrow and dart of the wicked one.. But they will hang around waiting and watching for opportunity to sneak back around.. But we get to "abide in Jesus" and "dwell under the shadow and wing of the Almighty" PSALM 91.

-- the daily Word (bread) and Spirit (wine)of God will help to seal us safely in Jesus.. The Spirit shines through and outward, becoming a (radiant?) shield as we abide in Him and close to Him, via abiding in His Word, praise and prayers.
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« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2015, 05:53:48 AM »
1 Cor 15:25 For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy that will be abolished is death. 27 For He has put all things in subjection under His feet. But when He says, "All things are put in subjection," it is evident that He is excepted who put all things in subjection to Him. 28 When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that God may be all in all.

Phil 2:9 For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Eph 1:9 having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself, 10 that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth—in Him.

Eph 3:9 and to make all see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things through Jesus Christ;10 to the intent that now the manifold wisdom of God might be made known by the church to the principalities and powers in the heavenly places, 11 according to the eternal purpose(stated in Eph 1:9-11) which He accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Agreeing with Micah, and providing a few more scriptures that give a panoramic view.

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 ~ And I saw the dead, small & great, stand before God & books were opened... ..The wages of sin is death. ...Only on the tenth of this seventh month is a day of atonements; ye shall afflict your souls, whoever does not afflict/torment their soul shall be cut off.. an atonement for all the people of the assembly.. ..then you shall cause the trumpet of the Jubilee to sound ...on the Day of Atonement ~ doa 4 the doa

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« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2015, 05:51:46 PM »
I think the abyss is the deep sea.

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« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2015, 02:03:50 AM »
I think the abyss is the deep sea.

Generally speaking, the word abyss is usually in reference to the deep sea

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« Reply #14 on: March 15, 2015, 08:21:19 AM »
I think the abyss is the deep sea.

Generally speaking, the word abyss is usually in reference to the deep sea


Luke 8:30 And Jesus asked him, "What is your name?" And he said, "Legion"; for many demons had entered him. 31They were imploring Him not to command them to go away into the abyss.

In Luke 8 I don't think abyss refers to the sea. Nor in Romans 10

Rom 10:6 But the righteousness of faith speaks in this way, "Do not say in your heart, 'Who will ascend into heaven?'"[c] (that is, to bring Christ down from above) 7 or, "'Who will descend into the abyss?'"[d] (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).

or in Rev 20

Rev 20:1 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; 3 and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished.

Also Rev 9:2; 9:11; 11:7; 17:8

It doesnt look to me like abysson is the deep sea. There is an angel with a key to the abyss, and a great chain. This appears to be parallel to Jude verse 6
 
And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting(aidos) chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day;
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« Reply #15 on: March 15, 2015, 08:00:08 PM »
Luk 8:31 And they entreated Him that He should not enjoin them to be coming away into the submerged chaos. (CLV)

Rev 15:2 And I perceived as it were a glassy sea, mixed with fire, and those who come off conquerors from the wild beast, and from its image, and from the number of its name, standing on the glassy sea, having the lyres of the Lord God."

I kinda think of the unrepented as the abyss, bottomless pit, submerged chaos, the deep. Its a thought anyway.

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« Reply #16 on: March 16, 2015, 01:16:00 AM »
"In a beginning Elohim created the heavens and the earth. As for the earth, it came to be a chaos and vacant, and darkness was over the surface of the abyss. And the spirit of Elohim was vibrating over the surface of the waters." (Genesis 1:1,2)

"Abyss" comes from the Greek "abussos," literally "simultaneous submerge," meaning beneath the water level.

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« Reply #17 on: March 16, 2015, 01:51:52 AM »
Luk 8:31 And they entreated Him that He should not enjoin them to be coming away into the submerged chaos. (CLV)

Rev 15:2 And I perceived as it were a glassy sea, mixed with fire, and those who come off conquerors from the wild beast, and from its image, and from the number of its name, standing on the glassy sea, having the lyres of the Lord God."

I kinda think of the unrepented as the abyss, bottomless pit, submerged chaos, the deep. Its a thought anyway.

I agree, except I don't see abyss in Rev 15:2. The context of the usages of a word bear as much on the meaning of the thought we are to receive from it as anything. I think that(abyss, bottomless pit, submerged chaos, the deep) is consistent with the uses in Luke 8:31, Romans 10:7 and the verses in Revelation. That's everywhere the word is used in the NT.

In all of the verses used in the NT, I don't get the thought of a literal sea or the bottom of the ocean. Submerged does not necessarily mean underwater. You could be submerged in darkness, or perhaps, as the waters below were separated from the waters above, which were called "heavens", one could be submerged under the earth, or out of the heavens. The "key to the bottomless pit" and the "great chain" give me the impression of imprisonment in a sealed chamber of some spiritual nature.
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« Reply #18 on: March 16, 2015, 09:15:09 PM »
How I see it.

If there is such a thing as nothing.

And there is such a thing as something.

Where something and nothing meet there is a surface.

Above the surface is something........ and below the surface is the abyss.

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« Reply #19 on: March 16, 2015, 10:38:00 PM »
What would nothing be if it were something, it certainly could not be nothing.
Again, where would/could nothing and something meet?
The word nothing explains it's self……no…thing.
Nothing can not have a surface.  And the abyss is something.
Maybe I just don't get it? No offence intended.
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« Reply #20 on: March 18, 2015, 05:48:28 AM »
I have been looking into demonic attacks and sleep paralysis. I had a place contact me and tell me that i was attacked by a Incubus because it had all the signs. I dont know why a Incubus would attack me because I'm male and it didn't try to have sex with me it just tormented me.

But anyways, the ocean abyss makes a little bit of sense to me after thinking about it. Because i was told if i had another sleep attack to use Jesus name and bind it and cast it into the abyss. At the time i was thinking the abyss was some kind of burning hell. But i got to looking up Incubus and they say it is a water spirit so maybe the abyss does have something to do with water? Then again maybe it's just coincidence. 

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« Reply #21 on: March 18, 2015, 05:20:57 PM »
... :Chinscratch: ..I've had the idea of the abyss and bottomless pit as the state, where one stews in their own darkness.. and that state as a bottomless pit (of potential).. how far can the rebel heart go? it's endless..? a great universal and eternal warning.. go not this way..

But since Satan is bound with a great chain, and cast into the bottomless pit for a thousand years and "shut up" in it, does indeed suggest a "place"..

The bottomless pit of revelation chapter 9, verse 2, smoke coming out of the bottomless pit, I've thought of as smoke being upon Earth from men's actions (smoke as drought plus war) and out of the smoke comes locust like and acting whatever they are.. Not hard to think of the abyss as a state of how low can the rebel heart, or w/o God one go? it is a bottomless pit of potential (especially in the hands of immense political power/beasts)

Later in chapter nine.. "four angels bound at the River Euphrates" shows again chains

..and the angels in the book of Jude, "in chains under darkness" I've thought of as merely the state of the rebel angels being in darkness and cannot now reverse their own course and therefor are locked into judgment.. but in context of "as Sodom and Gomorrah" (strayed).. It seems these ones are in a "place" and chained/kept there.

But! i think there may be two! or another version of abyss? As in Revelation 18:21, "a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone and threw it into the sea, saying, "Thus with violence the great city Babylon shall be thrown down, and shall not be found anymore". Thus sounding like a state of not being..

Which i would equate with Romans 10:7 "who will descend into the abyss? to bring Christ up from the dead?"

..funny how the account of the swine in Luke 8, the legion asked not to be ordered to the abyss, and then after entering the swine, ran headlong into the lake/water.. like Babylon 'into the sea'?.. the depths/subconscious of the legion making them do so..? rushing headlong into an illustration/metaphor of their destiny/fated [age(s)during] place..?


Atonement = "kaphar ...reconcile (-liation)" / Day of Atonement, Israel's holiest day of the yr known as annual judgment day .."priests served a copy and shadow of things to come"
 ~ And I saw the dead, small & great, stand before God & books were opened... ..The wages of sin is death. ...Only on the tenth of this seventh month is a day of atonements; ye shall afflict your souls, whoever does not afflict/torment their soul shall be cut off.. an atonement for all the people of the assembly.. ..then you shall cause the trumpet of the Jubilee to sound ...on the Day of Atonement ~ doa 4 the doa

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« Reply #22 on: March 18, 2015, 05:25:59 PM »
...i was told if i had another sleep attack to use Jesus name and bind it and cast it into the abyss.


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« Reply #23 on: March 18, 2015, 09:45:37 PM »
There is power in the name of Jesus, by faith in that name, and in Him :o)
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« Reply #24 on: March 18, 2015, 10:27:30 PM »
Amen brother! AMEN. There is NO other Name that has perfect power to overcome and defeat the adversary at any quarter. Glory :dsunny:
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