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No Hope..Your View Is Heretical

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Beloved Servant:


1 Thes 4: 13; Now also we would not have you ignorant, brethren, about those who fall asleep [in death], that you may not grieve [for them] as the rest do
                    who have no hope [beyond the grave].

1 Thess 4:14; For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will also bring with Him through Jesus those who have fallen asleep [in death].




It just seems to me that verse 14 simply explains 13.
For WE are NOT like those who have no hope For WE HAVE HOPE!




Beloved Servant:



It's heretical to have no hope.

sheila:
 :laughing7:

Mark:
HI I am still new here so bear with me if I don't post something right...

But I have never read that verse and gotten the meaning that the person who wrote the letter did. Let me explain..


1 Thes 4: 13
But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are
asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

Thats what he quoted but here is that verse as it is written in my Emphatic Diaglott which is a Greek interlinear that emphasizes certain words in sentences so as to give a better understanding of how that Greek sentence was written ( the all caps words are all caps in the book)

And we do not wish you to be ignorant, Brethren, concerning THOSE HAVING FALLEN ASLEEP, so that you may not grieve as THOSE OTHERS who HAVE not a Hope.

So it's my understanding is that the "THOSE OTHERS" In that verse are the other people who grieve over dead people. They have no hope of seeing them again or don't really believe that they will.

Thats my understanding..don't grieve over people who have died (or fallen asleep) like other people  who don't have an understanding that they are just asleep. This really fits in with the whole eternal torment hell thing because even people today who are christians may not really believe they will see there loved ones again especially if they weren't in there church, or baptized etc etc..

I don't know just what I think I would love some feedback on this  :mwink:

Also I feel a little funny because I have only posted a few times and each time it seems like I am talking about the Emphatic Diaglott.. I really am more than some guy who is in love with that book lol it just seemed to happen like that 

WhiteWings:
Questions:
a] What hope? Hoping for what event or thing?
b] Who are 'others'?
c] Is having no hope a false belief or ordained by God?

exeGesis Companion Bible - ECB
The blue part is not Bible text but a section heading. A tiny description of what follows.

Answers:
a] That section heading answers question a]. The hope is the believe that the dead will be resurrected.
b] This is everyone that doesn't believe in resurrection. The Saduccee are an example of that.
c] It's a Biblical fact that everyone from extreme good to extreem wicked will be resurrected.
--- c1] The "no hope" of resurrection is simply false. --> See the 2 resurrections described in Revelation.
--- c2] Is that hope to enter heaven instead of hell?


So the most important question is: Who are "others"
If they are people that don't believe the following verses explain resurrection exists.
If it is c2 then the red part is problematic. --> what about people NOT in Jesus
-----> They end in hell?
-----> They have no hope being part of the 1st resurrection?



(1Thess 4:13) THE HOPE OF THE RESURRECTION And I will that you not be unknowing, brothers, concerning them who sleep, that you sorrow not even exactly as the rest who have no hope.
(1Thess 4:14) For if we trust that Yah Shua died and rose, thus they also who sleep through Yah Shua Elohim brings with him.
(1Thess 4:15) For we word this to you in the word of Adonay, that we the living who survive to the parousia of Adonay never no way precede them who sleep.
(1Thess 4:16) For Adonay himself descends from the heavens - in a summons in the voice of the archangel and in the trumpet of Elohim: and the dead in Messiah rise first:
(1Thess 4:17) then we the living who survive are seized simultaneously with them in the clouds to meet Adonay in the air: and thus we ever be with Adonay.
(1Thess 4:18) So comfort one another in these words. 1 Corinthians 15:35-38




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