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No Hope..Your View Is Heretical

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Dani H:
I guess God is so small, He can only create 2 worlds (this one and the one to come)?

Or is it simply blindness to assume infinity and eternity where none is conveyed?

How do we know that "this world" was the first world ever? How do we know the next world will be the last one ever?

We don't, because the Bible doesn't say.

For all we know there could have been multitudes of worlds before this one, as there could well be multitudes after this one.

Sometimes we do see what we want to see, or what we think we see, instead of what is actually there. Making this statement in full awareness of the fact that I, too, am guilty of it.

Eph 27 " To demonstrate in the ages to come, the incomparable riches of His grace in His kindness to us in Christ Jesus."

Ages to come.

No hope!
Well, that's why we need a savior.
Jesus is our savior!
So then where there is no hope, there is hope after all.
As long as a person is slated for the second death, he has no hope.
But wait - there will be a great jubilee!
All debt will be cancelled at some point.
Death will be destroyed.
All people will be reconciled.
Yah will be all in all!

So those who walk in darkness have no hope.
But, where there is no hope, there is hope after all.
All because of Jesus. :HeartThrob:


--- Quote from: jabcat on January 19, 2012, 06:37:49 AM ---Gary received this;

"1 Thes 4: 13
But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are
asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

Who is it that has 'no hope' and what does 'no hope' mean?

Matthew 12: 32
And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven
him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven
him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

No forgiveness in the world to come? How does that line up with universal
salvation or reconciliation?

Your teaching is heretical. You do great violence to the scriptures because
you do not accept God as He is. "

--- End quote ---

"13 Now we do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who are reposing, lest you may sorrow according as the rest, also, who have no expectation.
14 For, if we are believing that Jesus died and rose, thus also, those who are put to repose, will God, through Jesus, lead forth together with Him.
15 For this we are saying to you by the word of the Lord, that we, the living, who are surviving to the presence of the Lord, should by no means outstrip those who are put to repose,
16 for the Lord Himself will be descending from heaven with a shout of command, with the voice of the Chief Messenger, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ shall be rising first.
17 Thereupon we, the living who are surviving, shall at the same time be snatched away together with them in clouds, to meet the Lord in the air. And thus shall we always be together with the Lord.
18 So that, console one another with these words." (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18)

"13 We do not sorrow when our dear ones are literally reposing. The reference is to death under a most beautiful figure for the distressed Thessalonian saints. The resurrection of Jesus is the guarantee that all who are His will likewise be raised. Until Paul received this revelation, the only resurrection of the saints was the "resurrection of life" (Jn.5:29 ) called the "former" resurrection (Un.20:5), at the beginning of the thousand years, after the judgment period. Then the Lord comes down to earth. The saints are not snatched into the air. But this resurrection follows the Lord's presence in the air long before His coming to the earth. It precedes the great judgment era which ushers in the day of Jehovah. Being justified in the blood of Christ, we shall be saved from God's indignation through Him (Rom.5:9). God has not assigned us to indignation but to the procuring of salvation (5:9). This new revelation is further unfolded to the Corinthians (1Co.15:51), where the secret is disclosed that the living, as well as the dead, will be changed. Both will be given incorruptible, spiritual, celestial bodies, without which, indeed, they could hardly meet Him in the air. The crowning glory of this blessed expectation was made known to the Philippians. These bodies of humiliation will be transfigured to conform them to that glorious body which blinded Paul when first he beheld Him (Phil.3:21; Ac.9:3,8,18).

17 "We, the living." Paul does not insist that he must survive to the advent, any more than he meant to assert positively that he should die when he said the Lord Jesus "shall raise us up" (2 Cor.4:14)." (Concordant Commentary on the New Testament page 311)


"31 Therefore I am saying to you, Every sin and blasphemy shall be pardoned men, yet the blasphemy of the spirit shall not be pardoned.
32 And whosoever may be saying a word against the Son of Mankind, it will be pardoned him, yet whoever may be saying aught against the holy spirit, it shall not be pardoned him, neither in this eon nor in that which is impending." (Matthew 12:31,32)

"31 The blasphemy of the Spirit consists in attributing the works of Christ, done by the power of God's Spirit, to demons or unclean spirits. As these works were the means used to produce repentance and pardon, and this was essential for entrance into the kingdom, it is readily seen that pardon is quite impossible in such a case. The time, however, is limited to this eon or the coming eon of the kingdom. Eventually, all mankind will be far more than pardoned. They will be justified (Ro.5:18) and reconciled (Col.1:20). But this will not take place until a full eon later, when the kingdom is given over to the Father (1Co.15:24). We cannot commit the sin against the holy Spirit because our salvation is not based on miracles and signs. It follows faith, not sight. And we are not pardoned, but justified (Ro.3:24,26). Condemnation is impossible (Ro.8:1). Moreover, we are explicitly told that, in the latter eras, some will be withdrawing from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and the teaching of demons. Any spirit manifestation in perfect accord with the scriptures should be given the most severe tests, lest we be among those who are deceived by them." (Concordant Commentary on the New Testament page 27)


Being "heretical" simply means you don't conform to church doctrine that does not conform to the word of God.


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