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Southern Hoosier:
Thanks all for the welcome!

Southern Hoosier:

--- Quote from: micah7:9 on September 16, 2011, 03:36:04 AM ---Opps!  :welcome:

Jon 2:2 And he is saying, I call, because of my distress, to Yahweh, my Elohim, and He is answering me. From the belly of the unseen I implore; You hear my voice."
 It was Jonah's place of the "unseen."  :2c:

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Jonah 2
Jonah's Prayer
 1 From inside the fish Jonah prayed to the LORD his God. 2 He said:

   "In my distress I called to the LORD,
   and he answered me.
From the depths of the grave[a] I called for help,
   and you listened to my cry.

Jonah was not dead, he was alive inside a great fish and was praying to God.

I'm trying to reconcile the two verses. If the dead know nothing, how can the dead call out to God? John 11 Jesus refers to death as sleep. We are not aware of what is going on around us. My wife can get up in the middle of the night and I'll never know it. unless she wakes me up. We do cry out in our sleep sometimes, in response to a dream, but so does my dog. Neither is a cry to God.

Molly:
As the crowds increased, Jesus said, "This is a wicked generation. It asks for a miraculous sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah.
--Luke 11:29

He offers this sign to them which signifies the resurrection of the dead.  Therefore, Jonah was dead inside the whale, yet he could pray.

We see the same with David.  David's statement of faith--

If I go up to heaven, you are there; if I go down to the grave, you are there.[Ps 139:8]

This shows the total trust of the saints in God and that nothing can cut them off from God--and that he will never leave them.

For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers,

neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
--Rom 8:38,39

Southern Hoosier:

--- Quote from: Molly on September 16, 2011, 01:54:09 PM ---As the crowds increased, Jesus said, "This is a wicked generation. It asks for a miraculous sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah.
--Luke 11:29

He offers this sign to them which signifies the resurrection of the dead.  Therefore, Jonah was dead inside the whale, yet he could pray.

We see the same with David.  David's statement of faith--

If I go up to heaven, you are there; if I go down to the grave, you are there.[Ps 139:8]

This shows the total trust of the saints in God and that nothing can cut them off from God--and that he will never leave them.

For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers,

neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
--Rom 8:38,39

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Jonah 1:5 All the sailors were afraid and each cried out to his own god. And they threw the cargo into the sea to lighten the ship. But Jonah had gone below deck, where he lay down and fell into a deep sleep.
Jonah was asleep not dead. He would have to pray in his sleep.  No where does it say he died nor does it say he was resurrected. We are talking about Jonah, not Christ.

I agree that death will not separate us from the love of Christ, but it seems the dead still know nothing. If a child dies, we still love that child.

Ecclesiastes 9:10 Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with all your might, for in the grave,[a] where you are going, there is neither working nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom.

Isaiah 38:18  For the grave[a] cannot praise you,   death cannot sing your praise; those who go down to the pit  cannot hope for your faithfulness.

[a] Hebrew Sheol

sheila:
 well, Jesus went down to the pit..hoping in HIS FAITHFULLNES...and look what happened.....those scriptures may apply to the old fallen Adam body.

.but NOT to the last Adam quickening spirit.   O'death..where is thy sting? I SHALL BE THY PLAGUE. the Hour is coming..when all in the grave shall 'HEAR"

   the voice of the son of God and come forth

   I ask you,'DOES A LIFE GIVING SPIRIT THE SON OF GOD,KNOW ANYTHING?

    the GATES OF HELL[grave]SHALL NOT PREVAIL AGAINST IT

    this is eternal life...TO KNOW THE FATHER AND THE SON......

    and they will ALL KNOW ME...WHEN I TAKE AWAY ALL THEIR SIN

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