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Couldn't It Just Be Wishful Thinking?

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legoman:

--- Quote from: jabcat on December 08, 2010, 05:46:51 AM ---An ET/ED question posed to UR believers;

Who wants to go to hell?  Couldn't the UR belief just be wishful thinking, trying to use a soft heart, or fearfulness, or just hoping that somehow people really won't go to an eternal hell?  Then, while wishfully thinking, couldn't you just be trying to make Bible verses and different doctrinal interpretations fit what you hope is true?  I mean, again, who wants to go to hell?

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This is kind of a weird question.

I mean is this guy hoping that hell is true?  Is that why he believes there is a hell?

Furthermore you could say this about anything - it really is a non-point.

You just don't believe in aliens because you hope there are no aliens.
OR
You just believe in aliens because you hope there are aliens.

The real point we can gain from this is: what is the purpose of "hope"?  Do we hope that our loved ones are not burning forever in pain?  Do we hope that the whole world will be saved?  Or do we hope that Hitler is burning forever?

Love always hopes, but love is greater than hope.



Eternal hell is "wishful thinking" for those who like revenge on their enemies... funny, Jesus said LOVE your enemy...

WhiteWings:

--- Quote from: legoman on December 08, 2010, 11:45:02 PM ---This is kind of a weird question.

I mean is this guy hoping that hell is true?  Is that why he believes there is a hell?
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Hoping hell doesn't exist doesn't make hell less true. That's how I understand the quote.
He is very right about that. But it's equally right to say teaching about hell doesn't make it true.
 :2c:

legoman:

--- Quote from: WhiteWings on December 09, 2010, 12:17:56 AM ---
--- Quote from: legoman on December 08, 2010, 11:45:02 PM ---This is kind of a weird question.

I mean is this guy hoping that hell is true?  Is that why he believes there is a hell?
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Hoping hell doesn't exist doesn't make hell less true. That's how I understand the quote.
He is very right about that. But it's equally right to say teaching about hell doesn't make it true.
 :2c:

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Exactly.  I guess its like saying: just because a lot of people teach it doesn't mean it is true.  I mean a lot of people teach a lot of things that aren't true.  Just look at all the conflicting religions.  Simple logic tells us that all of them (or all but one) are not true.

So a lot of people teach hell is true.  We hope it is not true.  A lot of people teach God doesn't exist.  We hope that is not true too...

jabcat:
"weird question"

Could it be the guy just has some doubts, and wonders if UR'ers are just hoping - against what's actually possibly true - so are trying to find a way to more fully believe what they/we do believe?  You know, how we might accuse ET'ers of reading everything in the light of their ET beliefs "to make it fit", that the converse could be true for us?  Again, maybe honest doubts on the fellow's part - not that he's trying to argue a point, but truly wondering...

Quaesitor:
I like your humility Jab,

I think there IS wishfull thinking behind UR or I'd call it hopeful thinking.
That's where it started for me, hoping hell was not what I was thought against everything I had been told.
Untill the day I found tentmaker that is.
That day the hope changed into faith and later into action.

But is it wishfull thinking from God's part too?
Doesn't He say, that He wills ALL men be saved?
Shouldn't we be required to hope the same?
Is God the ultimate dreamer?
Does He need to be pinched by the church to bring Him back in reality?

If God wills ALL men to be saved, then I will it too!

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