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Worthy To Obtain That Age
« on: September 10, 2009, 01:59:03 AM »
Luke 20:33-38

34And Jesus answering said to them, `The sons of this age do marry and are given in marriage,

 35but those accounted worthy to obtain that age, and the rising again that is out of the dead, neither marry, nor are they given in marriage;

 36for neither are they able to die any more -- for they are like messengers -- and they are sons of God, being sons of the rising again.

 37`And that the dead are raised, even Moses shewed at the Bush, since he doth call the Lord, the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob;

 38and He is not a God of dead men, but of living, for all live to Him.'

Who should we think these are that are "accounted worthy to obtain that age"? Is this simply talking about those with Christ in His "millennial/1000 year" reign? I mean, I know some people say now is the reign of Christ, but it's not like Christian's aren't getting married.  :dontknow:

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Re: Worthy To Obtain That Age
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2009, 02:32:46 AM »
They are the manifested Sons of God of Romans 8:19

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Re: Worthy To Obtain That Age
« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2009, 02:37:22 AM »
Hi Tim :icon_flower:

we move from a Child\ Babe Under law to a SON or Heir By Faith.

That age symbolically is likened to Issac born to Abraham at 100 Yrs...A Child Of Promise.

we no longer give in marriage for we are Married to Only ONE,being the Bride of Christ , Soul United with Spirit.


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Isa 29:18 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.

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Re: Worthy To Obtain That Age
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2009, 02:47:10 AM »
 :cloud9: Also, the sons of God are both male and female after the flesh coverings, so there is no more being given in marriage, because they were already one in Him from before the foundation of the world. Blessings....
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Re: Worthy To Obtain That Age
« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2009, 03:59:29 AM »
Really good question. He says they are like the angels. I think that it is speaking of the first resurrection saints and the sheep/righteous saints of the second resurrection. Otherwise why the reference to being accounted worthy. We know not yet what we shall be but we know that when He appears we shall be like Him for we shall see Him as he is(1 Jn 3:2). There will be varying glories in the resurrection. Stars, planets, moons(1 Cor 15:39-41). There were those who refused deliverance from death that they might receive a better resurrection(Heb. 11:35). So apparently there will be differences, but when we receive the adoption, the redemption of our bodies(Rom 8:23), we will be as the angels in that in the glory of our resurrected bodies will not need the functions related to procreation. I think 1 Cor 15, which deals with the order of the resurrection also contains the best explanation of the state of the resurrected, and I think it applies to all the resurrected, reconciled and restored thruoughout the restitution of all things.
   
        1Co 15:35-53  But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?  (36)  Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:  (37)  And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:  (38)  But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.  (39)  All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.  (40)  There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.  (41)  There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.  (42)  So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:  (43)  It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:  (44)  It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.  (45)  And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.  (46)  Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.  (47)  The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.  (48)  As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.  (49)  And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.  (50)  Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.  (51)  Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,  (52)  In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.  (53)  For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

The glory of the first resurrection(Rev 20:6) saints may be different than that of those vindicated by the secrets of their hearts at the second resurrection(Rev 20:5 & Rom 2:12-15), which may be different again from those who come through the fire(1 Cor 3:11-15).
   
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Re: Worthy To Obtain That Age
« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2009, 06:58:35 AM »
Good one Card.
Ya'know, I didn't understand that at first.
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Re: Worthy To Obtain That Age
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2009, 08:25:25 AM »
So, from what I gather from what most of you guys are saying: Jesus is saying that people, in "that age," do not continue to marry, only in a spiritual sense? He's talking about something spiritual, rather than physical?

Thanks for all your guys' replies btw!  :bigGrin:

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Re: Worthy To Obtain That Age
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2009, 09:02:52 AM »
This was part of the initial post:
"Now God is He, not of the dead, but of the living, for all, to Him, are living." (Luke 20:38, CLT)

A very powerful reality in which to have an awakening awareness:  "For all to Him are living."  (YLT has:  "All live to Him.")

The physical dimension, for which the sky of atmosphere and clouds and on out among the stars is its heaven, I regard as the sphere of the son's body.  The entire realm of embodiment, not just our human bodies, but everything in the physical cosmos is to be transfigured.  The entire cosmos will be glorified.  "For the earth shall be filled >with the knowledge of IEUE's 'glory, As the waters are covering over the sea." (Habakkuk 2:14, CLT)  (Just as, "There is one body," so also there is only one Spirit.)

I point to this because to appearances it is the dead realm.  But we are to not judge according to appearances, but to judge righteous judgment.  Except for Jesus (and possibly a few others like Melchizadak, Elijah, and Enoch) it has not been transformed.  We have the promissory Spirit in His  inner witness and His outward displays of miracles attesting to the certainty of our impending change; but, we await groaning in travail as does the rest of creation also.

This "fellowship in birth pangs" is a testimony to the salvation of all.  The awareness of it is in perceiving the "To Him" of all.  "...out of Him and through Him and into Him is the all:  to Him be the glory into the eons! Amen!" (Romans 11:36, CLT*)  Our spirit is quickened to life by union with His Spirit as we share the same embodiment.  Alignment of the soul and subjection of the body to Him results in experiencing with God what He experiences.  "In the beginning was the word, and the word was toward the God, and God was the word." (John 1:1, CLT*)  "To" Him, "into" Him, "toward" Him:  the experience of this direction brings awareness that the all is now alive to Him who is, "The Savior of All."

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Re: Worthy To Obtain That Age
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2009, 12:02:51 PM »
So, from what I gather from what most of you guys are saying: Jesus is saying that people, in "that age," do not continue to marry, only in a spiritual sense? He's talking about something spiritual, rather than physical?

Thanks for all your guys' replies btw!  :bigGrin:


You may often find that the scriptures have layers. :icon_flower:

Moses who was GIVEN The LAW, died at a 120 , I see this as the OLD MAN which dies within, so the NEW MAN lives

100 = Child of Promise\faith
20= Redemption

Deu 34:7 And Moses [was] an hundred and twenty years old when he died: his eye was not dim, nor his natural force abated. 

Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also [is] flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.


which for me - aligns with these verses

Isa 65:19   And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying. 


 Isa 65:20  There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner [being] an hundred years old shall be accursed. 

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Isa 29:18 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.

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Re: Worthy To Obtain That Age
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2009, 03:08:58 PM »
ReFORMer said,
    I point to this because to appearances it is the dead realm.  But we are to not judge according to appearances, but to judge righteous judgment.  Except for Jesus (and possibly a few others like Melchizadak, Elijah, and Enoch) it has not been transformed.  We have the promissory Spirit in His  inner witness and His outward displays of miracles attesting to the certainty of our impending change; but, we await groaning in travail as does the rest of creation also.

This is cool, because, speaking of the resurrection, Paul says,
           1Co 15:42-45  So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown a perishable body, it is raised an imperishable body;  it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power;   it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. So also it is written, "The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL." The last Adam became a life-giving spirit."
1Co 15:47  The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

 As in Adam all died so also in Christ shall all be made alive, but each in his own order(transformation). The sons, who will participate in setting the creation free, "into the glorious liberty of the sons of God",having received the down-payment as a pledge, are a kind of first fruits unto the Lord. The Day of the Lord has been awakened within them. They are children of light and work in the Day. A kingdom of priests unto God. A priests serves "between God and men" hence we reconcile men unto God, entrusted with the ministry of reconciliation. We groan, looking for the "clothing from on high". Therefore we are not afraid to be "sown". After being "clothed with immortality", death having been "swallowed" by aionian and zoe life we will be like the angels. "Behold I make all things new". We await a new heavens and a new earth "wherein dwells righteousness", the old kosmos, with its chaos and death having been totally swallowed up by love and harmony. The fire has always been and is burning still, "the day reveals it", when it is finished consuming the adversaries all will be reconciled and gathered together in one in Christ.....it is just so wonderful, ain't it?
 However, a son while he is a child is no different than a slave, kept under tutors(no glorious liberty) until the appointed time(when maturity, which is a willingness to be sown, is recognized by the Father). So it behooves us all to press into maturity, for the sons are the overcomers, testifying, "I come to to thy will O God."
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Re: Worthy To Obtain That Age
« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2009, 03:12:04 PM »
Who are those worthy?


7 He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son. 8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

--Rev 21


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Re: Worthy To Obtain That Age
« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2009, 03:54:21 PM »
Who are those worthy?


7 He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son. 8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

--Rev 21

Meaning noone is worthy...
...all shall be salted with fire...
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: Worthy To Obtain That Age
« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2009, 04:00:39 PM »
Revelation (Weymouth)

3:10 Because in spite of suffering you have guarded My word, I in turn will guard you from that hour of trial which is soon coming upon the whole world, to put to the test the inhabitants of the earth.

3:11 I am coming quickly: cling to that which you already possess, so that your wreath of victory be not taken away from you.

3:12 He who overcomes I will make him a pillar in the sanctuary of My God, and he shall never go out from it again. And I will write on him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem, which is to come down out of Heaven from My God, and My own new name.

3:13 Let all who have ears give heed to what the Spirit is saying to the Churches.

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Re: Worthy To Obtain That Age
« Reply #13 on: September 10, 2009, 04:04:14 PM »
Rev 5:12  Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.

Heb 4:3  For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

Heb 4:7-16  He again fixes a certain day, "Today," saying through David after so long a time just as has been said before, "TODAY IF YOU HEAR HIS VOICE, DO NOT HARDEN YOUR HEARTS." For if Joshua had given them rest, He would not have spoken of another day after that. So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God.  For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His.  Therefore let us be diligent to enter that rest, so that no one will fall, through following the same example of disobedience. For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart. And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are open and laid bare to the eyes of Him with whom we have to do. Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin.  Therefore let us draw near with confidence to the throne of grace, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.
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Re: Worthy To Obtain That Age
« Reply #14 on: September 10, 2009, 04:10:44 PM »
Who are those worthy?


7 He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son. 8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

--Rev 21

Meaning noone is worthy...
...all shall be salted with fire...
No it doesn't mean that.

Check out who an overcomer is.

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Re: Worthy To Obtain That Age
« Reply #15 on: September 10, 2009, 04:16:06 PM »
Who are those worthy?


7 He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son. 8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

--Rev 21

Meaning noone is worthy...
...all shall be salted with fire...
No it doesn't mean that.

Check out who an overcomer is.

Christ is our victory through faith, believing in HIM who overcame for US  :icon_flower:
Isa 29:18 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.

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Re: Worthy To Obtain That Age
« Reply #16 on: September 10, 2009, 04:17:09 PM »
The one who is conquering?
Help me out Moll.

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Re: Worthy To Obtain That Age
« Reply #17 on: September 10, 2009, 04:20:13 PM »
The one who is conquering?
Help me out Moll.
HE Who Conquers and Reigns Over death :icon_flower:
Isa 29:18 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.

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« Reply #18 on: September 10, 2009, 04:34:13 PM »
The one who is conquering?
Help me out Moll.

ok.


Numbers 13:30
And Caleb stilled the people before Moses, and said, Let us go up at once, and possess it; for we are well able to overcome it.

"Caleb"
H3612
כּלב
kâlêb
kaw-labe'
Perhaps a form of H3611, or else from the same root in the sense of forcible; Caleb, the name of three Israelites: - Caleb.

22Because all those men which have seen my glory, and my miracles, which I did in Egypt and in the wilderness, and have tempted me now these ten times, and have not hearkened to my voice;
 23Surely they shall not see the land which I sware unto their fathers, neither shall any of them that provoked me see it:

 24But my servant Caleb, because he had another spirit with him, and hath followed me fully, him will I bring into the land whereinto he went; and his seed shall possess it.


--Num 14



1 John 4:4
You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world.


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Re: Worthy To Obtain That Age
« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2009, 04:40:29 PM »
Thanks,

IN Him, we conquer.

Better said?

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« Reply #20 on: September 10, 2009, 04:55:42 PM »
Thanks,

IN Him, we conquer.

Better said?

I like that.  Can you say it in Latin?  :happygrin:

In him victoria est nostri

I like that better.
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Re: Worthy To Obtain That Age
« Reply #21 on: September 10, 2009, 05:04:40 PM »
I like that too.
Sounds like a battle cry!        
                              :swordfight:     www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSIs1MHdFQY     :swordfight:

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Re: Worthy To Obtain That Age
« Reply #22 on: September 10, 2009, 07:09:29 PM »
Good one Card.
Ya'know, I didn't understand that at first.
Restoration.

 :cloud9: Amen......part of the restitution of all things promised to all, but first to the firstfruits/sons. Blessings....

 :cloud9: And Amen guys, all good posts. Eaglesway, your post would have fit right in under the "I have 3 questions" thread. Blessings....
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