« Reply #36 on: Today at 07:15:26 AM »
"But by that idea, how can anyone understand any term? I am giving very clear definitions of how I view the term, and it is in common with how thousands of others view it and have viewed it for millenia(not to say I am correct or they were, just to say, it is common for the opposing view to present the other view as ridiculous or untenable or without merit or incomprehensible). The same suppositions can be made of the term "sovereignty" which to some people means God controls every thought and action of every being from the beginning to the end, but to others simply means God will cause all things to work together to accomplish His ultimate plan and purpose. Unless we can discuss those shades of meaning and balance the scales of understanding between extreme views then we are just writing "position papers" to one another- IMO, a complete waste of time." EW
SOVEREIGN 1. Supreme in power; possessing supreme dominion; as a sovereign ruler of the universe.
I believe the Lord God is SOVEREIGN.
Supreme In the universe, God only is the supreme ruler and judge. His commands are supreme, and binding on all his creatures. Highest, greatest or most excellent;
I believe that the Lord God is SUPREME
CONTROL 2. To check; to restrain; to govern. Power; authority; government; command.
I believe that the Lord God is in CONTROL.
CAUSE Cause is a substance exerting its power into act, to make a thing begin to be. To produce; to bring into existence.
I believe the Lord God is the CAUSE of ALL.
I do not see a difference between being the "cause" of all things and being in "control" of all things.
Re: Isa. 14 and Ezk. 28
« Reply #33 on: Today at 06:05:45 AM »
"It seems to me at some point, since I was only responding to Micah's posts on the "marionette" philosophy of predestination and the creation of evil, that we need to realize that it is glorious that people of all doctrinal persuasio begin to believ in UR, as I do, a proponent of a kind of modified Arminianism- or as some of you do, as Preterists, and modified Calvinists, or WHATEVER :o)
Where is Micah proposing as "marionette" philosophy of predestination?
"It also astounds me that people can speak of this marionette predestination view over and over but as soon as someone uses the term "free will" it sets of a chain reaction, which I think is evidence of a predisposition towards a certain view as if it were PART AND PARCEL WITH UR- which, in my opinion, it is not :o)"
What astounds me is when people want God to be God but won't let God be God; EITHER God started this whole creation and put a symbol of good and evil in full view with an expectation, with full knowledge of how ALL things will work out, or He did not.
As for me, though it has not been given me all the understanding, I stand with the Lord God, who from the very beginning(where ever that is) is
SOVEREIGN...in CONTROL..and is the CAUSE of ALL THINGS. Col 1:17 and himself is before all, and the all things in him have consisted. I believe HE can handle all the responsibility and takes full credit for what ever happens in HIS creation.