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Most of the arguments I have read over the past while have been very enlightening.  UR seems to have a lot of verses to support it and that is indeed wonderful.  I am a bit confused however.  Of all the articles I have read I haven't found a one which seems to present the argument of free will as a consideration against the UR.  This area seems to be glossed over in a lot the work and sometimes it is dismissed as a non-issue.

Does anyone have an article which takes seriously the notion that free will should be discussed as probably the most considerable stumbling block against UR?

The majority of proofs appear to be linguistic.  Free will however is about the nature of God.  If free will exists and God won't over-ride it, UR appears to be in trouble.  If there is no free will then salvation is irrelevant.  I don't mean to be rude, that is why I am asking for the articles.


I just posted something similar about this in another topic, so forgive the copy-pasta.

You have to digest that 'being saved' is absolutely in no way an act of human free will. The Bible states over and over that it is an act of God's will. Thusly, when called, nobody will be able to resist that. The involvement of 'free will' in our salvation is mostly an American construct, as we live in a country that values greatly this ideal.

Ephesians 2:8-9 - "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast."

Think about Paul. He was on the road to Damascus, getting ready to persecute (maybe even beat or kill) some Christians. But when he was exposed directly to the light of Jesus, his own will was completely broken. He spent the rest of his life preaching the Gospel and putting himself in harm's way for the glory of God.

Does it sound to you like Paul was ready to be saved? Of course not! But he was, wholly and completely.

Romans 11:32 - "For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all."


--- Quote from: victoriousgospel on November 26, 2012, 10:40:15 PM ---Romans 11:32 - "For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all."

--- End quote ---

..each in his own turn.  Every knee will bow, every tongue confess Jesus is Lord to the glory of the Father.  No man can confess Jesus as Lord but IN [literal translation] the Holy Spirit.

Vine, others will have good input, and I'll look for an article or two.  Also,  I'd like to ask eaglesway to specifically respond to your OP.   PAGING JOHN, PAGING JOHN.   :clapping:

Some people it takes a lot of verses to convince.Me, it only takes one if I know of no other verses that seem to contradict it.
"Jesus Christ, the Author and the Finisher, of our salvation"


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